1Password 8 for Mac With Improved Interface, Performance, and More Now Available in Early Access

[nylon]

I love 1Password and have been a long time user and purchased every new version they have released. I hate being shoehorned into having to pay for a subscription. It is beyond disrespectful to users. There is absolutely no reason to not offer a standalone license again except for greed. Let people decide how they want to pay for the product.

 

[whyamihere]

Apple, just buy the damn company already.

Your Keychain Access app sucks, your Passwords preference pane sucks, your Passwords Safari settings section sucks, your iOS Passwords settings section sucks.

How hard is it to build a proper full-featured app and call it Passwords???

Apple, please do not buy the company. While there is precedence for Apple keeping cross-platform functionality for companies they buy, there is also precendence for them dropping it. And cross-platform functionality is one of the most important features for me using 1password.

 

[CasinoOwl]

It's undeniable a very good app, but the subscription cost is ridiculous for most casual users. I switched to Enpass a few years ago and have found it to be just as good for much less money.

 

[MisterSavage]

That link to Dave Teare’s post earlier was instructive. And if you fall for the “our customers preferred subs” after they made it near impossible to get a stand-alone licence these past five years (aka bent the rules of the game to get the result they wanted) then more fool you.

On these forums I've instructed people how to get to where you could purchase a standalone license because they couldn't find it or didn't realize it existed. It's no surprise to me that the majority "preferred" to choose subscriptions.

 

[marmiteturkey]

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1Password is terrific app, and I'm delighted to see its continued development. I use it alongside iCloud Keychain, and it's very valuable to me to have something cross platform for occasions when I need to use Windows and Chrombooks.



The whole subscription vs perpetual licence thing seems a bit played out at this point.

To me, all paid software is a subscription, in the sense of being time-limited. I own a copy of Microsoft Office 4 (still got the discs somewhere!) but since I no longer use Windows 3.1 the fact that I hold permanent license is not dreadfully useful.

Ultimately, if we want software to be continually maintained and updated - and I most certainly want that from a password manager - there is going to be an ongoing cost one way or another. I prefer subscriptions because it makes that explicit - this much money for this much time - and I can make a purchasing decision accordingly.

I pay for subscriptions and I’m happy to do so. The challenge though comes when a shift to subscriptions results in something akin to a 300% price hike overnight, where the outright licence cost for a version that might last 3 years before a major release is only marginally more than the annual license fee.

 

[Boris Bronson]

you got the link to that? wanna see it.

You can probably search as well as I can and lots of posts have seemingly disappeared but here is an Agile Bits employee saying they are not going away and that AB has no plans to shelve stand-alone accounts.

And yet Dave Teare’s post linked to earlier says they were considering shelving stand-alone accounts before the introduction of 1P7. So at worst, one of them is lying, and at best, comms inside the company are dreadful (which doesn’t seem a great image for them in any case).

 

[Aggedor]

Apple, please do not buy the company. While there is precedence for Apple keeping cross-platform functionality for companies they buy, there is also precendence for them dropping it. And cross-platform functionality is one of the most important features for me using 1password.

Agreed. Long-time user here across macOS and Windows, iOS and Android.

 

[AlexanderUK]

1Password is incredibly useful for what it does, though I'd argue quite pricey for the added value.

I'm a subscriber myself and one thing I'd actually really like would be if they increased the amount of encrypted cloud space we got for storage - maybe that would strengthen 1Passwords document storage capabilities to be more useful for those of us who want to keep - say a lot of records where snoopy people can't break in (financial / personal / business). After all, these days 1gb is pretty weak for the $36 a year we're shelling out. It would save on a separate private secure document hosting package (which isn't as tightly integrated as 1P).

 

[usagora]

It's undeniable a very good app, but the subscription cost is ridiculous for most casual users. I switched to Enpass a few years ago and have found it to be just as good for much less money.

$3/month (for a single user) is hardly "ridiculous" LOL! I mean, I guarantee 99% of the people on this forum have FAR more than $3/month of non-necessary items (think fast food, etc.) they could cut out of their budget to pay for that. I mean, we're talking about 10 cents per day. Just look at the sidewalk when you go outside and you'll likely find that on the ground from loose change people have dropped 🤣 And for 5 users it comes to about $1 per month per user (3 cents per day).

I've been a 1Password customer since last year and am absolutely loving it!

EDIT: For those "disliking" this comment, I'd LOVE for you to actually logically explain to me how $3/month is "ridiculously expensive" (rather than just clicking a thumbs down). I mean, if you're like me, you use a password manager all day every day. If anything, I think it's dirt cheap for what you get. Same goes for Microsoft 365 (someone ragged on that too earlier). I guess if for some odd reason you need a password manager that you rarely use, then it would be relatively expensive compared to the utility of it, but I can't imagine such a use-case.

 

[aforty]

No more Dropbox or local vaults of any kind. A long time coming but I'm still disappointed.

 

[lexvo]

It's undeniable a very good app, but the subscription cost is ridiculous for most casual users. I switched to Enpass a few years ago and have found it to be just as good for much less money.

I agree, Enpass is a very nice password manager. And they still offer one-time payment besides subscriptions. And I can sync to my own local server.

 

[0924487]

1Password is terrific app, and I'm delighted to see its continued development. I use it alongside iCloud Keychain, and it's very valuable to me to have something cross platform for occasions when I need to use Windows and Chrombooks.



The whole subscription vs perpetual licence thing seems a bit played out at this point.

To me, all paid software is a subscription, in the sense of being time-limited. I own a copy of Microsoft Office 4 (still got the discs somewhere!) but since I no longer use Windows 3.1 the fact that I hold permanent license is not dreadfully useful.

Ultimately, if we want software to be continually maintained and updated - and I most certainly want that from a password manager - there is going to be an ongoing cost one way or another. I prefer subscriptions because it makes that explicit - this much money for this much time - and I can make a purchasing decision accordingly.

How about a subscription for Apple’s calculator app?

Subscription is like renting your house or room, it only makes sense if it’s only needed temporarily. For things like Final Cut Pro, Windows, MacOS, iOS, etc., that you need for sure in the long run, it’s significantly cheaper to buy and own. Remember that if you own the copy of the software, game, movie, etc., you can resell it when you no longer need it.

 

[Boris Bronson]

Ben.....please address the standalone license issue. It used to be available but you had to almost get a secret code to get to it on your website. Quite sleazy. If you sell it make it as visible as the sub option.

Now you don't offer it at all. Is this correct?

TBF. It does allow for the nonsense claim that 99% of customers chose subs over stand-alone in the same way that 99% of iPhone buyers are choosing the iPhone 12 over the iPhone 3GS.

And this from a company that is supposedly built on trust?

 

[0924487]

Thanks, but no thanks.

 

[QCassidy352]

They killed standalone licenses: https://1password.community/discussion/comment/601917/#Comment_601917

Such a stupid move.

I’m on 1Password 6 and will remain there. Not interested in a subscription. It’s too bad because I love the app, but a subscription model is a hard pass. I’ll find another app if 6 loses support.

 

[aajeevlin]

They killed standalone licenses: https://1password.community/discussion/comment/601917/#Comment_601917

I hate all of these apps.

I must be the only person on earth happy with iCloud keychain

how do you keep track of 2FA?

 

[msackey]

It doesn't support local (non 1Password.com) vaults.. 😞 A long time coming I suppose.

I was just wondering if it supports the vaults stored on Dropbox because that's how I sync across my devices (iPhone, iPad, Mac laptop, Windows laptop). I guess it no longer offers that eh? That sucks. I'm on a standalone license and don' mind paying a 1-time upgrade fee rather than an ongoing subscription.

Maybe when 1Password 7 no longer works with updated/upgraded Macs, I'll need to ditch them and find a replacement. I very thoroughly dislike the subscription model because it feels like a leech constantly taking away. I don't mind paying substantial upgrade fees, but not subscription.

 

[0924487]

Apple should just purchase the app how they did with carrot weather app

They don’t want it because there is a PR issue with users on other platforms.

Also, there is no technical barriers for Apple to make this app without buying 1Password. It’s gonna be cheaper to write a fresh one or to improve Keychain to reach feature parity with 1Password.

Apple only buy companies that has technology Apple does not have and cannot readily create due to the lack of necessary expertise and personale.

 

[Aggedor]

Agreed. Long-time user here across macOS and Windows, iOS and Android.

Not sure why this merited a haha response, @Morgenland?

 

[PeteBurgh]

I pay for subscriptions and I’m happy to do so. The challenge though comes when a shift to subscriptions results in something akin to a 300% price hike overnight, where the outright licence cost for a version that might last 3 years before a major release is only marginally more than the annual license fee.

This is totally reasonable objection.

I think part of the antipathy towards subscriptions is that they came at a time when a lot companies were also increasing prices. This can be described as a necessary resetting of unsustainable expectations (it seems like were lots of pretty complex, powerful apps that were selling for $20-30, with customers demanding they be updated and maintained for many many years) or simply greed. I'm sure plenty of examples exist to justify both judgements.

All we can do as customers is decide if something is worth it for us.

 

[KALLT]

It is not even a native app anymore; it does not look or feel like a Cocoa app. I can already see that it is significantly larger on disk too and does not bundle the Safari app extension (which is another 37 MB download from the App Store, who knows how large it is when installed). RAM usage tends to be on the higher side too for Chromium/Electron apps, though I have not checked this for this app yet.

To me it signifies a cross-platform approach at the cost of a fully-native experience for Mac users. It is not a good direction in my mind for someone who uses only Macs. I dislike wrapped web apps, especially Chromium or Electron apps. Now with 1Password going this route, and forcing you to use an account as well, you might as well switch to Bitwarden now, if you aren’t keen on setting up your own server.

 

[msackey]

I’m on 1Password 6 and will remain there. Not interested in a subscription. It’s too bad because I love the app, but a subscription model is a hard pass. I’ll find another app if 6 loses support.

Ditto. I'm on 1Password 7. Probably will ditch them when it no longer works with my devices. I've been a 1Password customer since I think at least 1Password 3.

 

[Mac Tyson]

ONe thing I dislike about 1password extension on safari/chrome whatever is that i have to keep retyping the Master Password after closing the browser or restarting.

Lastpass didn't have this issue. It also makes it hard for my less tech savvy family members to use 1password.

I moved to 1password since it's included in my Eero plus subscription.

 

[aajeevlin]

It's undeniable a very good app, but the subscription cost is ridiculous for most casual users. I switched to Enpass a few years ago and have found it to be just as good for much less money.

Thank. I’ll give that a try.

 

[fwmireault]

how do you keep track of 2FA?

Keychain supports 2FA with iOS 15. I’m using the public beta and 2FA works pretty well on Keychain. I still think that Keychain needs a major overhaul to compete with 1Password, but at least there’s no issue anymore with 2FA