...and they just keep taking investment money, which further and always ratchets up the need to get investment returns.
It's a slope you don't get off once you start
(I speak from personal experience)
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...and they just keep taking investment money, which further and always ratchets up the need to get investment returns.
It's a slope you don't get off once you start
(I speak from personal experience)
Careful. I remember a thread on 9to5 where ex-MR members said they got banned for using 1P and hostage in the same sentence.
We can switch to the more gentle "customer lock-in" phrase I guess...
Sometimes inserting the prod requires a little lube
Love the app and its design, utility, etc. However will have doubts if their cloud sync becomes required.
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Starting out of the gate on a deception isn't a good look. How about including the other processes that come along as an encumbrance of Electron?
This is what @migueldeicaza posted he is seeing… those (Renderer and GPU) processes aren't optional!
(I am glad to see that @bwoodruff responded and acknowledged the additional overhead. But… this is just a disappointing move, given that I had really held AgileBits to a/the higher standard of a "great" Mac community standard. Electron does not reflect that. However, I can't honestly say that SwiftUI is doing Apple/the community any favors. But… still… 1Password was one of the "good ones"; and it will not be anymore come v8. Electron simply just does NOT provide enough of a Mac-native-like experience to be good, much less "great!")
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For those worried about their vaults being cloud-based, a good practice for a little extra security is to add a unique PIN or other sequence of characters to every password you create on a website that you memorize, but don't include that part in the password stored in 1Password (or whatever cloud-based pw manager you're using). That way, even if in the unlikely event that 1Password is hacked and all your passwords exposed, they still won't have your actual passwords because only you now the unique "key" that needs to be added to the passwords to make them work.
For example, let's say you choose "-6\WyD" as your unique key. Let's say you go to sign up for a Gmail account, and 1Password suggests the following random password:
7qW?z}ks(ZNE8fFxd7#U
So you save that to your vault, but THEN you go in and add -6\WyD to the end of it on Google's sign-up form, so Google has your password as 7qW?z}ks(ZNE8fFxd7#U-6\WyD, but 1Password has it as just 7qW?z}ks(ZNE8fFxd7#U
For example, let's say you choose "-6\WyD" as your unique key. Let's say you go to sign up for a Gmail account, and 1Password suggests the following random password:
7qW?z}ks(ZNE8fFxd7#U
So you save that to your vault, but THEN you go in and add -6\WyD to the end of it on Google's sign-up form, so Google has your password as 7qW?z}ks(ZNE8fFxd7#U-6\WyD, but 1Password has it as just 7qW?z}ks(ZNE8fFxd7#U
This is why I came to the comments. I was hoping someone would find out. I paid for 1Password for Mac and sync via iCloud like 7 years ago? maybe more. I pay for upgrades if they ask for it but their statement you linked to says over the last 5 years, 97% of users chose to pay a subscription? If that's true, then we're wrong and the general public prefers to pay monthly forever. Mind blowing but it is what it is.
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iOS and macOS KeePass Password Manager | Strongbox
Strongbox is the world's leading password manager for iPhone and Mac. Built to utilise industry standard formats, it's ready to secure your data.
- Zero lock-in. Open source.
- Free Version or Lifetime License for native Mac and iOS Apps
- You can store your database on your device only, completely locally
- Never let your database touch an external server if you prefer
- Military grade cryptography
Thank you for linking this - hadn't heard of it!
The notice contains one rather amusing line:
It’s time to say goodbye to standalone licenses
to which my response isBye Bye, AgileBits. I would have paid an upgrade price for version 8, but I'll just stick with version 7, thanks very much.
Subscription for an Electron app? Yeesh.
I've still got an old version of 1Password running on my devices, but am about to pull the plug and rely solely on Keychain. Is it the best? No, but it does what I need it to do and works.
I don't mind paying for an App. But I still can't get my head around subscription Apps. I get that a lot -- heck even most -- of the big names are doing it, but it's just not for me.
I've still got an old version of 1Password running on my devices, but am about to pull the plug and rely solely on Keychain. Is it the best? No, but it does what I need it to do and works.
I don't mind paying for an App. But I still can't get my head around subscription Apps. I get that a lot -- heck even most -- of the big names are doing it, but it's just not for me.
Well, it's billed annually, not monthly, but yes, I think most people are willing to pay $36 a year for a desktop app + mobile app + browser extension that they'd use all the time. We're not talking about some huge amount of money here. ten...cents...per...day Hardly mind-blowing. In fact, I find it mind-blowing that people think it's mind-blowing, LOL! If people think it's not worth the money, then they have other choices.
I understand the initial psychological hang-up with the software subscription model, but I quickly got over that a few years ago for apps that I actually use all the time, because I saw the value of them, plus never having to worry about "upgrading" because I'm receiving upgrades/updates on a regular basis over shorter periods of time.
We can't derive the conclusion that "users chose to pay a subscription" over a one-time license fee based on this data. This was not some carefully crafted double-blind science experiment with a control group. No, that likely just means they pushed the subscription option in front of people and hid the license option.
My apologies for the oversight. You're absolutely right, there are multiple processes involved, and I didn't think about that fact. Here is the whole picture from my system. As I say, we're very interested in making this an app that performs well. If there are issues with performance please do reach out to our support team so we can investigate.
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I have v7 standalone license and will not switch to the subscription model.
Everything is turning into subscriptions nowadays.
Everyone keep saying "it's cheaper than a cup of coffee" but I disagree with that logic.
Start adding up all your subscriptions and you'll realize it is a large sum of money every month.
Everything is turning into subscriptions nowadays.
Everyone keep saying "it's cheaper than a cup of coffee" but I disagree with that logic.
Start adding up all your subscriptions and you'll realize it is a large sum of money every month.
You do know that's a silly argument, right?
It's not about the cost relative to one's disposable income.
The objection I (and others) have with subscription software is that the consumer ends up paying for changes which we may not consider to be improvements worth buying. And sometimes the consumer ends up paying for the loss of a feature that's important to them.
For example - local vaults are important to some people. With v8 they're gone. If you're on subscription then you're screwed. Either keep paying for v7 without ever seeing any updates or suck it up and pay to lose a feature that's important to you.
Now if you do want to play the cost game, let's go back to when v7 was released in May 2018. $3/mo subscription or buy a license for $50. Let's also say you don't see any value in what they've done in v8.
- If you'd bought a license, your out of pocket remains the $50 you paid three years ago and you're likely good another couple years.
- With a subscription, you're already $117 out of pocket, and you keep on paying despite no returned value to you.
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Thank you!!
Upgrades used to be something that had a value proposition needed.
Developers now just want to get paid for maintenance really.
There's an argument & justification to be had there for sure -- but I think a lot folks would be happy with just paying a much lower once per year "maintenance fee" and doing more major paid upgrades less often ....
vs being on the hook indefinitely and subject to what direction changes they make..
...like going to an electron app 🤮🤢
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iOS and macOS KeePass Password Manager | Strongbox
Strongbox is the world's leading password manager for iPhone and Mac. Built to utilise industry standard formats, it's ready to secure your data.
- Zero lock-in. Open source.
- Free Version or Lifetime License for native Mac and iOS Apps
- You can store your database on your device only, completely locally
- Never let your database touch an external server if you prefer
- Military grade cryptography
No local vaults?
That's the end of using 1password then. A shame.
That's the end of using 1password then. A shame.
I know you've factored this in to your decision, but you'll lose customers. Including this one. And I've gladly purchased every major release for years.
Guess that version 7 is the last version of 1password I'll be using. Refuse to subscribe to every software that converts to subscription based software.