So my standalone license won't work anymore, I have to subscribe and the new app is based on Electron. Sounds like a good time to ditch it.
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“Improved interface” yet they use Electron. Try it if you want to see what blurry and naiatent UI looks like. Gratuitous changes to keyboard commands (that conflict with other popular apps). From a company once proud to win an Apple design award.
The choice of Electron always demonstrates that a company has given up on their users, or at least that their customers are not the users of the product.
The choice of Electron always demonstrates that a company has given up on their users, or at least that their customers are not the users of the product.
That's the part I just can't get over...
Seemingly a fabulously successful business that takes new investment money just recently...
...and they can't afford to support a vastly superior native macOS experience as they once were proud about?
(to the point of winning an ADA!)
Take a look at Strongbox. It rivals 1Password and there is no subscription.
Ouch.
Even worse. Now I'm really stuck.
Okay. I'll bite.
I've been using 1Password since 2012, with 1Password 4 on Mountain Lion. I paid the $35 for the standalone license at the time. Now, taking your $3/month into account, over the cost of a year, that's $36, right? So basically, I just paid off that subscription of yours in a year. Now, that's 2012. Fast forward 9 years. 36 * 9? $351 over 9 years versus... NOTHING. I have 9 years of a standalone license and upgraded to 1Password 6 (now will be going to 7) for $35 back in 2012 and saving $351 over the course of 9 years versus the 'ridiculously expensive' $3/month. To some, that $351 is a car payment, phone bill, ISP bill, or groceries, etc. I'd rather save that and bank that versus having to spend that every year now for as long as I use the application.
I don't know if you were in the CASM thread, but I posted there about how you don't really own the data you put in the cloud, especially if in the US. You will not be protected governmentally by any legal right to privacy for any data you put there:
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A good reason as to why you should NEVER store your passwords in the cloud. The cloud is there for ease and convenience, not for security.
BL.
I’m not opposed to permanent licences for software (or anything else). I’m basically agnostic on perpetual licences vs subscriptions - if I’m certain I’m going to use something for a long term, I’ll usually prefer to buy it outright. If I only need it for a limited period, or my needs are less certain, renting makes more sense. Of course, if rents/subscriptions are set too high, buying outright is almost always better.
The point I was trying to make is that software tends to move on quite quickly. Will I still use 1Password in 2 years, or 5 years? Or 15 years? Possibly, I’m happy with it for now - but lots of things could change:
- Apple (or someone else) could Sherlock it with some new built-in product (which they’ve already started to do to some extent)
- 1Password could get worse
- a new or existing competitor could get dramatically better
- My employer (or someone else) could offer me an alternative for free, meaning I don’t need it anymore (which has happened with other software in the past
- (Somewhat more fantastically) the internet security environment could evolve in a way that makes password managers redundant (eg. FaceID/other biometrics for everything)
Except in most cases you can’t - as far as I know, you can’t resell licenses for 1Password, Final Cut Pro, etc.
I can't get past Apple's basic incompetence in services, trusting that sort of data to them does not fly.
It's a race against the clock for me, as I'm on 1Password 6 as well.
What I mean by that is that it all depends on when 1Password 8 becomes available and 1Password 7 is no longer available, versus the launch of any new Macs this fall. I'm needing to get a new Mac (I'm on the mid-2011 MBA), so when new Macs come out, they're going to be M1/M2/whatever they're naming it, and different architecture, rendering my copy of 1Password 6 useless. Is 1Password 7 available for M1? If so, then the race is on. If it isn't, then I'm stuck with needing another solution, because I'd be paying more for the cost of a subscription than I would for the standalone purchase, especially if compared to the near 10 years I've had the standalone license. $35 one time versus $351 over 9 years is a HUGE difference.
Not feeling the warm fuzzies on this one..
BL.
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Thanks. Then the race is definitely on. If the new Macs come out before 1Password 8 does, then I'm grabbing the standalone client and staying on that until it breaks. If it doesn't, then I'll have to export everything out and get something else, because a $36/year cost for something I've already had for 10 years is not good.
BL.
Supposedly, macOS Monterey has an option to import and export passwords from and to other password managers (source). It might be worth waiting for that.
As a Canadian I would like to support a Canadian company but I cannot support a company that has gone in the same lying to customers ditch as Apple. If they were honest and said that financially the subscription model was the only one that would allow them to survive and prosper then I may believe them. But to basically hide the licence option and then give us the BS line that 99% of customers preferred that...please...we are not that gullible. A sad way to operate. Oh well, we all will carry on.
I have been using 1Password since 3.x. I can put up with 1Password 8 requiring subscription. But I am not too crazy about storing all my sensitive data only on 1Password.com.
Electron in itself I can also put up with (but feels yucky), but the combination of Electron, 1Password.com storage, and subscription only tilt the decision in favor of my household migrating to Apple's ecosystem, especially now that Apple supports 2FA.
Electron in itself I can also put up with (but feels yucky), but the combination of Electron, 1Password.com storage, and subscription only tilt the decision in favor of my household migrating to Apple's ecosystem, especially now that Apple supports 2FA.
Really? I've tried logging in after a password reset and it fails. I look to see if there's a second login saved but it never seems to be saved.
Isn't it sad when companies I guess don't believe enough in themselves and what they are doing to simply level with people about it?
I take away the same feeling as you.
It's obvious that the goal is to make more money, more consistently.
Just say that.
Don't pretend that "99% of people prefer it"
(there are so many accuracy problems with trying to come up with a stat like that)
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A selling point of Bitwarden is that they're a zero knowledge solution. They can't be compelled to give others access to your vault because they don't have the master password, a backdoor, etc.
But $351 would be a MONTHLY car payment, not a once-every-9-years payment. We're not talking about paying $351/month for 1Password. THAT would be "ridiculously expensive." Yes, I understand of course that being satisfied with one version you bought a standalone license for years ago and never upgraded saves you money over a subscription that gives you regular updates. But that still doesn't mean the subscription cost is "ridiculously expensive." It's more expensive than what you paid over the course of 9 years for an older version of the software, but not ridiculous.
1Password 8 for Mac With Improved Interface, Performance, and More Now Available in Early Access
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Then please go back to the native app. I've been a customer since forever but I'll be ditching 1Password after reading this. You guys used to be cool.
Here’s my thought on the above:
To me, if you paid a one-time fee and end up not using it, that’s just a fixed sunk cost which at the point of purchase is known that it is a cost (but not necessarily whether it’s a sunk one or not). In other words, at the point when you made the decision to purchase, you had known exactly what it would cost you monetarily and were willing to absorb that cost.
With a subscription model, there’s no one time “Oh this x amount is the sunk cost” recognition at the point of purchase because you simply don’t know how long you’re purchasing for. So only at the moment of recognition that you don’t need the subscription do you recognize what the sunk cost is.
For example, you subscribe to Software ABC and used it for 5 months and then forgot about it and didn’t use it for the next 12 months until you reviewed your annual expenses, then…. Holy Crap! You mean I spent $120 ($10/month) on this stuff that I didn’t ”know” about?
To me, that makes a big difference as to recognizing when something has fixed sunk cost or not.
Subscription model has an ever increasing sunk cost.
One-time purchase has fixed sunk cost.
There’s another way to think about this too which is — and I think I’ve mentioned this in various formats before — whether one is willing to continually have an incurring expense versus a one-time expense.
Heck, even happy to spend $100 for an upgrade.
I’m a user of DevonTHINK and when they made a major upgrade, I did not hesitate to purchase BOTH the Mac update and iOS update. No problem. I use that software all the time and am happy to make a singular (actually 2) purchase that I decide on and don’t have to think about again until I need to consider if I want to pay for the next upgrade.
When I purchased Strongbox, I was able to get a lifetime license for Mac and iOS for less than what 1Password charges for 2 years of sub. The free version of Strongbox may be fine for many people here, if they don't need or want all the extra bells and whistles.
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I just looked up bitwarden. They are cloud only? Even when it comes to their free version?
I may have swallowed the subscription but there is no way I will ever put sensitive data like password and all the other information stored in 1Password in any kind of cloud service.
I have the 1Password 7 standalone license and I guess I just get the confirmation that this was the right choice. At least Incan continue to use until it breaks some day.
Then I will probably switch to Keepassium and some of the Keepass Mac Clients.
And BTW: There was not a single change in 1PW for several years that I really liked and that would have justfied the subscriptio….