They also increased the price of the stand-alone option. Not insignificantly either.
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They also increased the price of the stand-alone option. Not insignificantly either.
If they keep thier word then there is no problem. However when you upgrade operating systems often the old software does not work. Will they keep their promises about updating their standalone licensing? That is my concern.
As someone said a bit earlier, they would be the first company to keep their promises on standalone licensing.
It's a hosted service, syncing your data across multiple devices. Who is going to pay for the ongoing maintenance of those systems? Your proposed one-time $2.99 fee is not going to go very far to cover all costs involved.
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Most people don't realize the extent of iCloud Keychain's syncing ability. It syncs passwords and secure notes, but only Macs have full access to them. I wish Apple would create a "Keychain Access" app for iOS, too. The data is there, and web passwords are available to Safari, but nothing else is accessible.
Agree. Ben's attempts at justifying this have been a PR disaster. Nanny-knows-best and all that.
each company offering subscription models should think about their available payment options. I really thought about getting the 1password for individuals plan, but I don't own a credit card. (It's common in Germany to don't have one) - so I can either pay the increased price of the app in the MAS (no more features - just more expensive) or try another app. Guess what will happen.
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For us non-USA residents coping with non-favourable exchange rates, subscriptions are a bloody expensive nightmare.
If buying a new license, the current USD$64.99 equals AUD$85.54. Ouch!
For us non-USA residents coping with non-favourable exchange rates, subscriptions are a bloody expensive nightmare.
If buying a new license, the current USD$64.99 equals AUD$85.54. Ouch!
Oh boy 
I've been a big 1Password fan and user for years, almost since the beginning ( both Mac & iOS versions), but I fear this is not going to end well at all. On their website they're totally downplaying the stand-alone versions , and you really have to look for it to find that you can actually still buy it.
Actions speak louder than words. It's pretty clear , no matter what they say, they're now pushing completely towards subscription and DO intend to make the standalone not viable anymore, sooner than later...
Anyone who thinks AgileBits is not going to end standalone licenses is very very naive.
As for me, time to start looking for alternatives.
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If I was a new potential user, and went to your pricing page, I wouldn't even know that you're actually selling licenses. The pricing page doesn't show it anywhere, and I would have to read the whole FAQ until the end to see it mentionned in a phrase. There is a very clear intention from AgileBits to make it barely known that such option even exists.
I give it a year before AgileBIts announces the end of stand-alone versions .
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Subscriptions are the right to use software for a limited time only ( as long as you pay each month, and as long as the company still does business )
I've been a big 1Password fan and user for years, almost since the beginning ( both Mac & iOS versions), but I fear this is not going to end well at all. On their website they're totally downplaying the stand-alone versions , and you really have to look for it to find that you can actually still buy it.
Actions speak louder than words. It's pretty clear , no matter what they say, they're now pushing completely towards subscription and DO intend to make the standalone not viable anymore, sooner than later...
Anyone who thinks AgileBits is not going to end standalone licenses is very very naive.
As for me, time to start looking for alternatives.
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If I was a new potential user, and went to your pricing page, I wouldn't even know that you're actually selling licenses. The pricing page doesn't show it anywhere, and I would have to read the whole FAQ until the end to see it mentionned in a phrase. There is a very clear intention from AgileBits to make it barely known that such option even exists.
I give it a year before AgileBIts announces the end of stand-alone versions .
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We don't own the code as such, but we do own a license to use software for an indefinite time. Even after the company ( or the developper) collapses.
Subscriptions are the right to use software for a limited time only ( as long as you pay each month, and as long as the company still does business )
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It shouldn't be able to read that. Decryption happens at the client using your main password.
If you think that is a lot I bought Ad Muncher (when it was not free) for about $120 (can't remember exact amount sorry) for a unlimited lifetime license.
Please keep in mind that they're the exact same apps. We don't have a standalone app and a 1Password subscription app, we have one app per platform (or will very soon in the case of our Windows app; we're still working hard on getting 1Password 6 out of beta there). One way to look at it is to think of 1Password accounts as nothing more than another sync option in addition to Dropbox and iCloud in the same apps you've always used. There is a little more to it than that, of course (since 1Password accounts also have 1Password.com web access, for example, something we can't do with standalone licenses; or easy vault sharing with team or family members as another example), but that's what it basically comes down to for most people.
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All good. Paying once works for me right now, but even if it reaches a point where it's subscription or bust I'd pay. It's one of my most used apps. I'm looking forward to the new Windows version... The current one is pretty woeful on Windows... Hoping they work out the edge extension too by then
When Lastpass was acquired by LogMeIn, I bit the bullet and painfully migrated to 1Password because LogMeIn has the reputation of screwing the users with massive price hike when they have the market power to do so.
10 months down the road, Lastpass is still offering $1/month subscription under the new owner. Ironically, it's 1Password that is raising the price of the standalone product (one could imagine that the upgrade price for the next version will most likely be higher than the full price paid for the previous version!).
As for the subscription price, if Lastpass could run a profitable business by offering $1/month subscription, I just don't know how 1Password can justify its $2.99/month fee?
10 months down the road, Lastpass is still offering $1/month subscription under the new owner. Ironically, it's 1Password that is raising the price of the standalone product (one could imagine that the upgrade price for the next version will most likely be higher than the full price paid for the previous version!).
As for the subscription price, if Lastpass could run a profitable business by offering $1/month subscription, I just don't know how 1Password can justify its $2.99/month fee?
The notion that a developer thinks they can do something like this and then come on a forum and attempt to justify it and not get completely ripped in almost every comment, just shows how out of touch these people are.
I have the game Yahtzee, for example. I bought the game once. They didnt attempt to sell me a Yahtzee subscription. I bought it and can play it as many times as I want forever. The creators, thankfully, decided to just sell me the game. As opposed to charging me every month to continue playing.
I go to the store and buy a gallon of milk. I do not need a milk "subscription" Even though, arguably, I may need milk again and again. If I do.....I will buy more. Mind you, thats for a product I buy, use all of it, then need more of. This is absolutely not the case with these apps and their feeble money grab attempts. It would be like Roku not selling me their media box but making me buy a monthly "subscription" to use it. Then justifying said lame subscription with the fact that they will be "updating it" and adding channels. Well, you did that when you just sold me the box outright!!!!
Oops, I think I just planted a seed with Roku, damn it!!!! Sorry everyone, get ready to not be able to buy your box anymore.
I have the game Yahtzee, for example. I bought the game once. They didnt attempt to sell me a Yahtzee subscription. I bought it and can play it as many times as I want forever. The creators, thankfully, decided to just sell me the game. As opposed to charging me every month to continue playing.
I go to the store and buy a gallon of milk. I do not need a milk "subscription" Even though, arguably, I may need milk again and again. If I do.....I will buy more. Mind you, thats for a product I buy, use all of it, then need more of. This is absolutely not the case with these apps and their feeble money grab attempts. It would be like Roku not selling me their media box but making me buy a monthly "subscription" to use it. Then justifying said lame subscription with the fact that they will be "updating it" and adding channels. Well, you did that when you just sold me the box outright!!!!
Oops, I think I just planted a seed with Roku, damn it!!!! Sorry everyone, get ready to not be able to buy your box anymore.
Totally agree. I'm not at all paranoid, but I'm careful. I don't believe many things are 100% secure, we've seen too many hacks and data losses. I have so many passwords and very important pieces of information stored in there to even consider letting anyone get near that info.
I find it insulting that the developer is on here doing the big sell trying to convince us the business model is all about us and they feel it's for our own good, when we all know it's purely about profit, if they get people to subscribe and keep repeating the payments month after month year after year it means a bigger boat in the marina.
I hate being lied to, I'm actually considering looking for an alternative app jsut because I don't like the way they are pushing this 'new amazing benefit'.
The bottom line is that nothing changes for existing customers except that you now have the additional option to use a 1Password account as well or instead if you prefer. Otherwise, your existing license will continue to work the way it always has, and you may or may not be given the option to pay for an update when future updates are released, depending on if we charge for them or not (odds are 1Password 7 will be a paid update for license holders, although historically we've been very generous with upgrade pricing as well, but we've released free updates in the past so 1Password 8 could easily turn out to be a free upgrade for version 7 license holders, although that's too far in the future to speculate about).
I understand the concern that we might decide to remove the standalone option, but that isn't something we're considering at all at this point. If it does happen, I myself will be just as unhappy as you since I personally still use Dropbox for my personal vaults as well (along with our company's Teams account for work stuff), so rest assured that you have AgileBits team members who will speak up for you if such a discussion ever does happen over here. Right now, though, it's not something I'm concerned about since it just isn't something we're thinking about.
So, yeah, I know there are still going to be concerns, but all we're doing is adding additional functionality to 1Password, and all at the request of many of our customers (or companies who wanted to be customers but couldn't because we didn't offer 1Password Teams accounts yet). I doubt this will assuage everyone's worries, but I do hope it helps.
I understand the concern that we might decide to remove the standalone option, but that isn't something we're considering at all at this point. If it does happen, I myself will be just as unhappy as you since I personally still use Dropbox for my personal vaults as well (along with our company's Teams account for work stuff), so rest assured that you have AgileBits team members who will speak up for you if such a discussion ever does happen over here. Right now, though, it's not something I'm concerned about since it just isn't something we're thinking about.
So, yeah, I know there are still going to be concerns, but all we're doing is adding additional functionality to 1Password, and all at the request of many of our customers (or companies who wanted to be customers but couldn't because we didn't offer 1Password Teams accounts yet). I doubt this will assuage everyone's worries, but I do hope it helps.
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lol - appreciate you trying to assuage fears (even if the actions of the company betray that i.e. they still haven't made the standalone app visible).
BUT, if you as a developer at AgileBit is not using the subscription method that frankly tells me all I need to know. Surely if the benefits were as amazing as you say - and you're saying it often and saying you know better than the users what's good for them - you'd be subscribing.
In any walk of life, never ask anyone to do what you won't do yourself. Applies to parenting, people management and software developers too.
Everybody has their own preferences. For me, I see 1Password Teams as amazing for businesses. For personal stuff, though, I'm the type of person who gets set in their ways (as many people here can relate to, I suspect) and have no particular need to switch. Will I ever? Maybe, but it's not something I see as a requirement for my needs at this time (plus, somebody here has to keep using Dropbox sync so we can continue to see what our customers see in order to support it well). That said, a LOT of our users asked us for personal 1Password.com accounts so we added them. Never let it be said we don't listen to our customers.
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That's not the way I take that statement at all. It sounds to me like they're saying that if you opt for the subscription plan (which syncs with AgileBits's servers), you will get other features as a result of syncing with their servers that you can't get from syncing with iCloud or Dropbox. Time will tell, but I think you're probably reading too much into the statement.
That said, a LOT of our users asked us for personal 1Password.com accounts so we added them. Never let it be said we don't listen to our customers.
I am struggling with this. What exactly was requested? The ability to view via a web panel or to actually pay every month?
Both. As I wrote last night, 1Password subscriptions began with 1Password for Teams. If you had any idea how often we were asked for this service by various companies you'd understand why we built it. When we introduced it in beta last year, many people used it for their families and asked for family pricing, so the obvious next step was 1Password for Families subscriptions. I'm sure you can imagine what the next big request was at that point, by individuals who weren't living with a family, so we are now giving all three groups of people exactly what they requested.
If people weren't requesting these things, we very well might have never spent the two years (and money) it took to create the new 1Password account platform, but we were asked for them many times over the years leading up to 1Password Teams, so we did.
Wow. So much speculation and consiracy-thorising.
I genuinely think if the guy from AB hadn't come on here there'd be people decrying the fact that they're a faceless corporation that don't care about users.
Let me ask: what would you guys have done? I'm not on anyone's side: I have used 1P for years and will trial the monthly subscription mainly because I think developers like AB are few and far between and I love a bit of choice and innovation.
But jeez, god forbid a company add options (a good thing) and try and make a profit (also a good thing) in this day and age.
Everyone is obviously entitled to their opnion on things like this but I think it's unfair to predict the demise of something based on complete speculation.
I genuinely think if the guy from AB hadn't come on here there'd be people decrying the fact that they're a faceless corporation that don't care about users.
Let me ask: what would you guys have done? I'm not on anyone's side: I have used 1P for years and will trial the monthly subscription mainly because I think developers like AB are few and far between and I love a bit of choice and innovation.
But jeez, god forbid a company add options (a good thing) and try and make a profit (also a good thing) in this day and age.
Everyone is obviously entitled to their opnion on things like this but I think it's unfair to predict the demise of something based on complete speculation.
Ok, thanks. Crazy that people want yet another monthly bill but the world is changing and perhaps I am just getting old.
They are the same apps for both the standalone license and the subscription service. We have to update and maintain the apps either way. The apps are the whole business.
We still sell licenses for 1Password to those who prefer that option.
I don't see how any of your comparisons are good analogs. We're not selling hardware or consumables, nor are we selling a game that probably doesn't need to worry much about staying on top of the latest security news. Yahtzee isn't storing your most sensitive data. All of these are totally different business models.
Not everybody does. But some folks definitely prefer knowing exactly how much staying up to date is going to cost them. With licenses there is less certainty. With a subscription you know as long as you keep paying your monthly bill you're always going to have the latest and greatest. For folks who don't want to have to think about their password manager and want it to "just work" the subscription makes more sense than the standalone license.
And it isn't just a subscription vs license debate. There are a number of features and conveniences that come with the subscription as well. The licenses are great and they are what we've built our business on. But there is more to think about and maintain. For technical folks the distinction probably isn't a big deal (though some of the features may be!). For my parents? I'm absolutely not going to ask them to try and set up a license with Dropbox sync. It is difficult enough to get them to embrace technology without having to explain to them that they have to install some 3rd party utility and manually setup syncing of their password manager data. With the subscription they simply sign into their account on all of their devices and they are good to go. If I want to share a vault with them I can do that with a couple clicks and it requires no action on their part. iCloud of course is a little easier, but it doesn't allow for sharing. Again try explaining that to non-technical people who have gotten iCloud sync working on all of their devices then realize they want to share a vault with someone... The list of steps to do so gets nuts...
Technical stuff aside, subscriptions are easier to budget for. And again, depending on what devices & how many people you are buying for the subscription may actually be less expensive.
Obviously if you are going to be the only user and you only use it on iOS the subscription option is going to be more expensive, as you can actually use 1Password on iOS entirely free. But you also get a ton of benefits with that which you don't get with the free app download from the App Store.
It may not make sense for everyone, and we aren't trying to claim that it does/should. But we do think that it will make sense for a lot of folks (especially new customers who have never used 1Password before).
Ben