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Yeah that's crossed my mind. With 1P7 being a year old now, I thought about waiting to see any rumors about a version 8 before buying.

its impossible there will be an 8, as 7 is a big upgrade. Even if there was an 8, better be on 7 and supported than on 6 with no license purchase choices.
 
Thanks god Apple has iCloud Keychain and I don’t have to pay monthly subscription for the rest of my life just to use a password organiser.
subscription based payment for apps is the worst thing ever.
there should be one off purchase option only.
Apple Keychain is fantastic, IF you only use Apple stuff; otherwise use a multi-platform tool like Bitwarden, 1Password, LastPass, etc.
 
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But SO many apps seriously abuse this pricing model. Ulysses comes to mind immediately: a feature-mature writing app that syncs with iCloud and really needed nothing more than OS updates going forward. Then the developers chose to go to the rental model. Seems to me they just want a blank check to tinker and tweak endlessly, and it's pretty gross. To date in the couple years since this they've made little changes, but quite frankly nothing that would add up to a truly major update in a traditional "pay for each big version" model. I think software renters want you to basically crowdfund each new version on an ongoing basis. Here's an idea: if you aren't making enough money on the already-finished software you wrote, write another app. If the Ulysses people designed another app for sale, I'd definitely check it out and maybe buy it based on the quality of the Ulysses design and UI. But instead? They tweak and fiddle around and users are expected to pay in perpetuity for that.
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[my own rant]
And the real kick in the shorts is when it all goes wrong like it did with this release of iOS. Ulysses spent a ton of time and resources crafting their own split-screen solution for iOS and rolled it out as a headline feature to all the folks who were paying to get all the new stuff. iOS will allow its own baked in solution, and so they decide to remove the feature from Ulysses because (surprise, surprise) Apple's solution was better because it was a system setting as opposed to an app work-around. And then the crap on the turd sandwich is that Ulysses' solution worked on devices that will be incompatible with iOS 13. So they're *removing functionality* from people who would otherwise have it on systems that can't upgrade to iOS 13.

And we paid for this.

I'm completely in agreement with you. If they want to make money, make another damned app. I cannot imagine that I'd ever be more satisfied with Ulysses than I am today. And yet I pay them to create useless crap like coding abilities in their *writing* app because I became heavily invested in the thing before they went subscription, when they said they would never go subscription.
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Stupid.
 
SIDE NOTE: In the older days when you bought MalwareBytes' Anti-Malware, you only bought 1 license and ran it on any of your computer(s) that you wanted to, perpetually; since the past few years, buying Anti-Malware meant 1-license-required-per-computer and it required renewal each year.

Some people (like my dad) bought Anti-Malware a number of years ago, and has been running it on a few household computers - with no problem, until now.

Now, MalwareBytes has begun enforcing its perpetual-licensed users (like my dad) for its software to be valid on only 1 computer; any additional computers would require a new license (which means a license that needs a yearly renewal).

While MalwareBytes did not change the licensing for what the user (like my dad) had bought, as its license terms included verbiage about how its perpetual license is valid on only 1 computer, MalwareBytes began enforcing this only after years and years later.

Obviously, this will anger a lot of folks once they realize that their Anti-Malware is working on only 1 of their computers.
 
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1Password allows license purchases, I just did.

How do you find LastPass? Does it store locally?
Why do you want to move to BitWarden?
I thought BitWarden was a "corporate" app, surprised it was open source. Also their free plan is all you want and if you decide to subscribe its just $10 a year on the opposite of $36 for 1Password.

No, Lastpass stores everything on their servers, but individually encrypted. They're been hacked before, but none of the data was ever breached. They also responded to the hacks in a fast and transparent way, which I found to be good.

I want to move to Bitwarden because Lastpass' UI has grown to be really bad and their apps/extensions are really buggy imo. Also, premium features have gone up in price a ton. It used to be $7/yr, now it's $36/yr.

Typically I like the business model of charging corporate users a lot and then providing the product free to personal users. Sort of like RedHat Linux.
 
I cut LastPass, and never looked back after I moved to the open-source Bitwarden.

This is exactly what happens when you trust your most important information to a private company. They can remove features at any given time, or upcharge as much as they want.

Obviously, most companies are like this and there aren't always great free alternatives.

But Bitwarden is available to you right now, and with the ability to easily import your 1Password vault.

Why wait like a sitting duck for 1Password to pounce upon you again?

Can you host your vault on dropbox?
 
Can’t remember a pin code too?
Between work and personal, I have about 15-20 pin codes to remember. So I sometimes get them confused. Some PiNs have 8-10 digits too.

SIDE NOTE: In the older days when you bought MalwareBytes' Anti-Malware, you only bought 1 license and ran it on any of your computer(s) that you wanted to, perpetually; since the past few years, buying Anti-Malware meant 1-license-required-per-computer and it required renewal each year.

Some people (like my dad) bought Anti-Malware a number of years ago, and has been running it on a few household computers - with no problem, until now.

Now, MalwareBytes has begun enforcing its perpetual-licensed users (like my dad) for its software to be valid on only 1 computer; any additional computers would require a new license (which means a license that needs a yearly renewal).

While MalwareBytes did not change the licensing for what the user (like my dad) had bought, as its license terms included verbiage about how its perpetual license is valid on only 1 computer, MalwareBytes began enforcing this only after years and years later.

Obviously, this will anger a lot of folks once they realize that their Anti-Malware is working on only 1 of their computers.
I remember Webroot in the Windows days, you had to buy a new license ever year. Heck, I had to go to the store once a year (for a while you couldn’t renew online). It’s no difference now with 1Password being a yearly subscription.

I understand the aversion to subscriptions, and I only pay a couple myself
  • Dropbox
  • NordVPN
  • 1Password
But I find real value in 1Password myself
I use very strong unique passwords over multi-platform and it works well for me
And with a couple of dollars a month I don't find it egregious at all compared to some

Hell, I spend more than that in a vending machine each month for far less value

I always find it fascinating how tight people get with their money when it comes to apps, with or without subscriptions, and yet aren't near as discerning in other areas of their finances
These people who complain about the price are probably the same ones who drop $5 for coffee.

Thanks god Apple has iCloud Keychain and I don’t have to pay monthly subscription for the rest of my life just to use a password organiser.
subscription based payment for apps is the worst thing ever.
there should be one off purchase option only.
I think being tied down to one eco system is the worst thing ever. I like playing with Android, Windows, and Linux. I like if Apple does something that I don’t like, I can jump ship very fast. Heck, all I have is an iPhone and iPad now, I’m not using any Macs anymore. I might buy a MacBook Pro, but not until they fix those horrible keyboards.

People complain about subscriptions, but forget years ago we had to get programs from a store and if we wanted the new features, we had to go to the store again to get it.
 
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Apple Keychain is fantastic, IF you only use Apple stuff; otherwise use a multi-platform tool like Bitwarden, 1Password, LastPass, etc.
I switched to an Android flagship platform for a short time (+ Mac) and forced to try google’s terrible and flawed password management,then tried LastPass and burnt with 1Password,so I know what I’m talking about..iCloud keychain is a god sent.
a real,legit reason to switch completely to Apple.
 
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I've been looking at Bitwarden ( https://bitwarden.com ) as a potential replacement for 1Password. So far my testing is going well. I do have unique needs as I have the 1Password Family account with the entire house using it. I'll still have to pay for BitWarden as I want the multiple accounts and the security features, specifically YubiKey support.
I've been using Bitwarden as well. But for the most part, I've been leaning towards Abine's Blur (I purchased a lifetime premium subscription) for my password management.

The great thing about 1Password is its ability to hold all my software licenses (along with purchasing details for those licenses) and a myriad of other types of data (WiFi access details, for example).

Admittedly, 1Password has been my go-to for much of the information I like to keep track of. It's pretty much all-encompassing; one might argue that it warrants my subscription contribution. Truth be told, I'm not a fan of subscriptions and prefer to purchase a one-time lifetime subscription fee. But with Dropbox's three-device limit on their free service, I might end up actually subscribing to 1Password; as I generally use Dropbox as my default sync method. This Dropbox limitation affects me (and I'm sure many others, for various other reasons) because I use Android, iOS, macOS and Windows devices. Athough I can use 1Password's WiFi LAN Server sync method on my Mac mini Server, my Androids are pretty much limited to just Dropbox.

For the interim, I've got all my other devices synced via Box with a Dropbox folder contained within the Box sync folder. This way I get my Androids synced via Dropbox. Any changes made to the 1Password vault in Dropbox should trigger Box to sync with my non-Androids; in theory, all my devices will have updated vaults with every sync. My only concern is any data corruption that Box or Dropbox might cause by doing it this way.

All this to avoid having to subscribe to either Dropbox and/or 1Password. lol
 
Can you host your vault on dropbox?
Great question, I looked it up - and found that Bitwarden isn't quite like KeePass in that respect.

As explained here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitwarden/comments/awmbeo/coming_from_keepass_does_bitwarden_have_such_a/

"The only way you can do this is self-host on a home or online server. The concept in not the same. Keepass has a database file .kdbx Bitwarden uses a SQL database deployment (among other processes) on a server. There's not one file that makes up your password database with Bitwarden. And Dropbox cannot host the Bitwarden container programs/processes.

It's really two different animals. In my opinion, they're both valuable for different reasons."

Bitwarden does have some great tech docs to assist for hosting on your own home server or any web hosting you may have purchased: https://help.bitwarden.com/hosting/

I do know that Bitwarden is hosted on Microsoft's reliable Azure servers, and of course you can always make a backup by exporting your vault in many different formats whenever you want.
 
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I switched to an Android flagship platform for a short time (+ Mac) and forced to try google’s terrible and flawed password management,then tried LastPass and burnt with 1Password,so I know what I’m talking about..iCloud keychain is a god sent.
a real,legit reason to switch completely to Apple.
I got burned from iCloud Keychain twice.... twice it deleted all of my passwords. Now I use 1Password and not tied down to Apples eco system at all. I use Android, Windows, Linux, and Apple, and passwords across all operating systems seamlessly.
 
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I got burned from iCloud Keychain twice.... twice it deleted all of my passwords. Now I use 1Password and not tied down to Apples eco system at all. I use Android, Windows, Linux, and Apple, and passwords across all operating systems seamlessly.
Yes if you use multi platforms then you will need a dedicated password management.
But then again there is LastPass (free).

also don’t forget what happened to your iCloud Keychain can happen to your 1Password or whatever app too.

I briefly switched from iPhone to Android (while using a Mac) so I had to use either 1Password/LastPass/Google’s password manager and immediately released how great iCloud Keychain was (for free).

In fact, One of the reasons I switched back to iPhone was this!

Subscription based apps are just unacceptable imo.no matter how good.
 
Yes if you use multi platforms then you will need a dedicated password management.

But then again there is LastPass (free).
“free”. No thanks. I used it in the past, I had issues, and I didn’t like it. They clearly don’t care about their customers, just look at their support forums, people ask for help and very few get answered. I had issues (1 or 2) with 1Password and they fixed it extremely quick.

also don’t forget what happened to your iCloud Keychain can happen to your 1Password or whatever app too.
not likely, 1Password also backs up. I’ve been using it for years, and no major issues. The few I had, they fixed. Heck, if I get locked out, my wife can help me restore access to my passwords.

My issues was something with the authentication and at the time it was 1 strike and bye bye passwords. No thanks. This was years ago with iCloud Keychain was new.

I briefly switched from iPhone to Android (while using a Mac) so I had to use either 1Password/LastPass/Google’s password manager and immediately released how great iCloud Keychain was (for free).

It’s crap IMO. I put so much more in 1Password that iCloud will never keep up. I have a separate vault just for work stuff (no extra charge and doesn’t count against my family members). I have that vault synced to my work computer (only showing work passwords) and that vault syncs with my main vault so I can access work stuff at home if needed. 1Password runs circles around iCloud. I can also put my customer router settings in it and save it. iCloud Keychain can’t. I have vehicle info saved and synced between my wife and I, iCloud can’t. My wife was badly injured a while back, she has all her Dr info, medical insurance, and other important info all in it, and was a huge help when we were at the hospital.

It’s like comparing an actual key chain to a file cabinet.

I also have a vault for my wife and I for bills, so this way we both have access. I have another vault for the family so we all have access to Netflix, network, and other stuff that is shared between the family. If I change the password, it changes for everyone else.


In fact, One of the reasons I switched back to iPhone was this!
ok.


Subscription based apps are just unacceptable imo.no matter how good.

Your opinion. I like to see iCloud do all that 1Password does and across platforms, it can’t. It won’t. Ever. I like I can’t switch platforms as a drop of a hat. When I buy software, I make sure it’s cross platform. I have zero issues paying for great software. People complain about the price and yet have no issue spending a butt load of money on crap coffee.

I was lucky to get a family deal of 1Password. 10 family members for $4.99 a month, so $6.00 a year for a family member. I also get a gift card from 1Password. I think it was $125 for $99, so that again makes it cheaper.

iCloud is so bad that even Apple uses 1Password


https://hybridtechcar.com/2019/02/08/all-apple-employees-will-be-forced-to-use-1password/
 
[my own rant]
And the real kick in the shorts is when it all goes wrong like it did with this release of iOS. Ulysses spent a ton of time and resources crafting their own split-screen solution for iOS and rolled it out as a headline feature to all the folks who were paying to get all the new stuff. iOS will allow its own baked in solution, and so they decide to remove the feature from Ulysses because (surprise, surprise) Apple's solution was better because it was a system setting as opposed to an app work-around. And then the crap on the turd sandwich is that Ulysses' solution worked on devices that will be incompatible with iOS 13. So they're *removing functionality* from people who would otherwise have it on systems that can't upgrade to iOS 13.

And we paid for this.

I'm completely in agreement with you. If they want to make money, make another damned app. I cannot imagine that I'd ever be more satisfied with Ulysses than I am today. And yet I pay them to create useless crap like coding abilities in their *writing* app because I became heavily invested in the thing before they went subscription, when they said they would never go subscription.
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Stupid.

Like you, I'm semi "locked in" because I have a couple hundred thousand words in Ulysses at this point. The other day I emailed asking about support for Fountain (a widely supported markdown-esque plain text screenplay format) and they said support for it isn't planned. I absolutely went off on them about it after they recommended a BS fake-screenplay output style they have:

That’s very disappointing to hear, especially given that you’re now running Ulysses under a software rental model and your users are paying on an ongoing basis. Screenwriting is a very relevant feature to a lot of writers — a lot more so than support for programming code, of all things. As a longtime paying user — going back to the original incarnation of Ulysses in the early 2000s, I was under the impression that this was an app for writers.

And as for that Fake Fountain style — as a professional working with scripts daily I can tell you it turns out badly formatted scripts. Spotting something with fake formatting in a submission pile really marks it as an amateur effort, and you’re doing a disservice to users who might not know better by hosting and promoting it.​

I would absolutely love to find a good alternative to Ulysses, but I don't think Scrivener is it. I guess I could fall back to Finder-based organization and Markdown files but I do like the unified library approach and having my writing sequestered into its own environment. PM me if you come across anything promising.
 
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Thanks to everyone who offered comments on alternatives.

I have been testing out BitWarden and will be dropping 1Password shortly. I had purchased full licences of 1Password back in the day when Dave T was a One man band.

I did look at LastPassword but did not like that it didnt have native programs for windows/mac
 
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I don't mind moving to a subscription model for something I use all the time if I consider the price reasonable. But their subscription model requires me to send all my most sensitive data to them to store on their cloud service, and I will not do that.

I don't care how great they think their security is -- the news is littered with data breaches at firms who "had great security," "strong" encryption standards that suddenly show up breakable, and fishing subpoenas from unconstitutional court actions.

Every time I think I have found a means of sharing a vault between my family's Macs and iOS devices without keeping my data out on somebody's cloud (at least for more than momentarily), I find AgileBits has cleverly closed some door to prevent it. The local iOS vault is just the latest -- otherwise, I could quickly sync via Dropbox, copy all the entries to a local vault on iOS, and then delete the Dropbox copy. But no, yet one more avenue to avoid their cloud storage pre-emptively closed by AgileBits.

Looks like time to investigate Bitwarden.
 
I went to EnPass when 1Password costs started to get out of hand....bought the lifetime license and haven't looked back.
“lifetime license“ this cracks me up. You realizes there is no such thing? You think that same license is going to work on an operating system in 10 years from now? 🤣
 
“lifetime license“ this cracks me up. You realizes there is no such thing? You think that same license is going to work on an operating system in 10 years from now? 🤣

I've had my "lifetime" 1Password license for about 8 years now, so it's getting close.
 
“lifetime license“ this cracks me up. You realizes there is no such thing? You think that same license is going to work on an operating system in 10 years from now? 🤣
Well let's see....when I bought my "lifetime" EnPass license two years ago it was $39.99 - which is less than a "single version" one time license for 1Password, and almost the same cost as a 1Password subscription for a year. Granted, the EnPass cost has risen now, but for me - I've already gotten my money's worth out of it compared to what I was paying for 1Password every year.
 
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