1Password Restores Free-to-Use Local Vault Option in Latest Version of iOS App

[techpr]

i guess its bad to develop a dependency on these things

In this modern world, you have to. Everything is a login and password based

Not depending on a Password Manager these days is what lead people to be exposed to easy hacking. As someone said, your entire digital life based on a login and password. You must use a Password Manager you like or not.

 

[macizcool]

Can someone comment on the newer versions (subscription/version 7) about whether a local vault can still be used? I thought I heard the newer versions don't allow a local vault.

I'm still using the Mac App Store version (Version 6), with a vault stored locally on my computer. I am highly against storing my vault on anyone's cloud.

 

[Apple_Robert]

Can someone comment on the newer versions (subscription/version 7) about whether a local vault can still be used? I thought I heard the newer versions don't allow a local vault.

I'm still using the Mac App Store version (Version 6), with a vault stored locally on my computer. I am highly against storing my vault on anyone's cloud.

local vault has been restored with version. 7.34

 

[4jasontv]

[rant]
But SO many apps seriously abuse this pricing model. Ulysses comes to mind immediately: a feature-mature writing app that syncs with iCloud and really needed nothing more than OS updates going forward. Then the developers chose to go to the rental model. Seems to me they just want a blank check to tinker and tweak endlessly, and it's pretty gross. To date in the couple years since this they've made little changes, but quite frankly nothing that would add up to a truly major update in a traditional "pay for each big version" model. I think software renters want you to basically crowdfund each new version on an ongoing basis. Here's an idea: if you aren't making enough money on the already-finished software you wrote, write another app. If the Ulysses people designed another app for sale, I'd definitely check it out and maybe buy it based on the quality of the Ulysses design and UI. But instead? They tweak and fiddle around and users are expected to pay in perpetuity for that.
[/rant]

That's not a rant. That's a perfectly reasonable assessment.

 

[macizcool]

local vault has been restored with version. 7.34

It's a little bit disturbing that they casually remove basic functions like this without notice.

 

[Apple_Robert]

It's a little bit disturbing that they casually remove basic functions like this without notice.

I agree. There has been a big customer uproar about, and rightly so.

 

[Heineken]

Keychain is nowhere near the capability of 1Password.

It saves passwords, what else do you need.

You quoted (1Password): “We don't have any plans to get rid of traditional licenses.”

So here is my rule of thumb: plans change. Never trust any person or company who appeals to current plans (as a roadmap) for the future. It is almost always a ruse.




It can be safely assumed that Apple decided to not support paid upgrades in order to create a continuous revenue stream—SaaS (Software as a Service)—through the subscription model. So whom should we really fault for this—the developers or Apple?

Both.

I always find it fascinating how tight people get with their money when it comes to apps, with or without subscriptions, and yet aren't near as discerning in other areas of their finances

It’s called rational thinking, you should try it sometime.

 

[MisterSavage]

As I noted in my earlier post, I am a long time user and very satisfied with the actual software, but I paid a decent fee ($50 I think?) up front as a one-time license fee. I don't intend to just eat that cost and then sign on to their subscription fee on top of it.

I'm in the same boat. I paid $50 ($60?) recently to upgrade 1Password on my Mac and I paid $10 for the iOS version. I don't need my passwords on the 1Passwords servers.

 

[kwasrdm]

It sucks that all the major companies are now trying to create some kind of service even if it’s just shutting off a switch in your app that’s not really a service it’s just shutting off the off option and making us pay for it it’s not right! There needs to be some kind a law made about these services that’s not really a service it’s a bunch of BS!

 

[MacDawg]

It sucks that all the major companies are now trying to create some kind of service even if it’s just shutting off a switch in your app that’s not really a service it’s just shutting off the off option and making us pay for it it’s not right! There needs to be some kind a law made about these services that’s not really a service it’s a bunch of BS!

When you say "all the major companies" who do you mean?
Can you give some examples? Just curious as to how widespread this is.

 

[Heineken]

When you say "all the major companies" who do you mean?
Can you give some examples? Just curious as to how widespread this is.

Very widespread.

 

[MacDawg]

Very widespread.

That's extremely helpful, thank you

 

[robertcoogan]

I dropped it fairy quickly after they killed free cross-device sync. It's just not worth it to have yet another subscription for whatever. It's yet another means of nickel-and-diming my bank account in exchange for menial software perks. I'll stick with Apple's (flawed) version, thanks.

 

[TriBruin]

It saves passwords, what else do you need.

A lot more than keychain does. Keychain does none of the following:

• Store Credit Card data including the Security Code. Without the security code, I have to still pull my credit card out when paying via the web.
• Storing other important data, such as Driver Licenses, Insurance data, software installation codes, etc. (Yes, you can store that information in Notes, but it is neither convenient or formatted properly.)
• Document attachment. I can add documents to my entries. When I buy a piece of software, I print the receipt and attach it to the software license.
• Generate passwords of infinite password complexities. Keychain only generates a 5x5(?) password, but, while that might be fine for website that I never type, it doesn't work for password that I have to type on a regular basis (Domian password, local server password, heck even my AppleID which I occasionally have to type.) For these types of passwords, I prefer a random 8-10 character with complexity.
• Share passwords. This is huge. I can share certain passwords with other members of my family securely. Video services, shared with all my family. Bank accounts and Credit Cards, only shared with my wife. Personal password, only I can read them.

If your needs are simple passwords, that is fine. But I find the 1Password (or other password managers) to be an invaluable solution to managed, not only my passwords, but all my digital security and storage.

As far as Subscription versus One-Time. I evaluate this with each piece of software I buy. In 1Password's case, I use this hundreds of times ever day to log in to websites. To me, it is one of the top 5 piece of software on my computer. To ME it is worth the subscription price.

 

[MacBH928]

Can someone comment on the newer versions (subscription/version 7) about whether a local vault can still be used? I thought I heard the newer versions don't allow a local vault.

I'm still using the Mac App Store version (Version 6), with a vault stored locally on my computer. I am highly against storing my vault on anyone's cloud.

I was in your situation, I just installed and paid for a license(not subscription) for they very good price of $50 and I am on 1P7. I would suggest you upgrade now before they start having second thoughts. If you buy now you are probably guaranteed 5 years of support(updates) or so.

 

[4jasontv]

It saves passwords, what else do you need.

Browser and application independent password management across all devices and OSs. I want a password saved on Microsoft Edge on my Windows 10 desktop to be accessible in Safari on my iPhone.

This is a time saver, since I can’t make replace Safari as the default app for links in iOS and Apple won’t support safari on Windows.

 

[eltoslightfoot]

I was waiting for 1Password to force older existing customers to the subscription model. They've back tracked for now, but the writing is on the wall, they want you on their subscription model

I purchased the version of 1Password that offered multi platform support, windows, mac and I had the iOS version (I forget if I paid for that or not). The move to a subscription based model, meant I was never going to upgrade. Not strictly because of this, but other factors, have made me re-think my decision to keep using what amounts to an unsupported version.

In short, instead of supporting the older customers, they're driving them away - at least they are for me.

I am with you. Years ago, I bought the full standalone versions on windows, mac, and iOS. It all worked perfectly. But I felt this day was coming and so I switched to Enpass. Cross platform, and you can export from 1password. $9.99 one time cost on each platform.

It doesn't work as perfectly as 1password, but I also can use other cloud providers (such as box) other than dropbox.

I would definitely recommend Enpass. I tried Lastpass, but it also has a subscription model.

 

[ignatius345]

Wow, did you copy my review on the AppStore? LOL.

It's so true, though. They made a nice little app, that was useful for storing a few snippets or even write longer texts and all of a sudden they think they're the second coming of Christ and charge you about the same as the entire MS Office suite!

I bought every single new version they released to actively support them but, obviously, that wasn't enough.

Try imagining a game developer doing the same, slapping together Pacman or Tetris and seriously expecting customers to pay monthly for it until the sun explodes. For some reason they need to release AAA titles year after year to keep the ball going. Yet here comes Ulysses and decides to live off and finance all the future Porsches and Lambos through one single niche app for eternity. Hilarious! As you already said, whatever happened to offering another app or two instead of snoring about in the office all day?!?

Yeah, that one really bummed me out. I'd actually bought an early incarnation of Ulysses waaaay back in the early 2000s and was very psyched with this reboot of it a few years ago. I had migrated all of my writing into Ulysses, gathering random Word and .txt and Pages files from all over my hard drive, organizing and tagging them... and then they pulled that move of making it a software rental. It turned out the standalone version worked for quite a while in High Sierra but then broke under Mojave. Because of all the buy-in I have into their system, I played their game and subscribed for this year to keep using it, but I'm on the lookout for alternatives because I truly don't want to support this kind of behavior.

 

[tfdelorey]

When you say "all the major companies" who do you mean?
Can you give some examples? Just curious as to how widespread this is.

One example that hit me recently is Adobe. If I want to move to a newer version of acrobat Standard, a subscription model is the only choice.

My wife just bought an app that has soothing sounds to help her sleep. I was surprised to see it had a monthly subscription of $10.

 

[MacBH928]

I would gladly use Keychain if there was Chrome extension for it or web access (the Apple iCloud suite for Windows requires admin rights, and thus I cannot easily install it on my work computer).
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I am currently on LastPass, but I am thinking about making the move to BitWarden. Is the iOS app good?

1Password allows license purchases, I just did.

How do you find LastPass? Does it store locally?
Why do you want to move to BitWarden?
I thought BitWarden was a "corporate" app, surprised it was open source. Also their free plan is all you want and if you decide to subscribe its just $10 a year on the opposite of $36 for 1Password.

 

[katbel]

Forced membership = me going back to a paper notebook, seriously.

And membership-sellers have to stop saying "it's only the equivalent of one coffee per ...".
Between all the subscriptions out there, this is turning into "the equivalent of a car payment per..." (Ok maybe a bit much, but u get it )

I've chosen that path long time ago: not a paper one but a personal app built by myself for myself. Very simple one but works and I don't have to worry about subscriptions or someone working at one of the password apps going nuts and stealing passwords. Probably the developer is ok (till he gets his monthly fees from all of his subscribers )but how do you trust other people working around him and one day deciding to add a line of code that no-one will ever see ? No thanks ! I like to support a lot of developers, when it's worth it , but I'm the one in charge and do not like to monthly pay anyone . Many of them are becoming too greedy
I just changed my car , not let one of them send his own in the deep space.

 

[psxp]

Just catching up on this 1password fiasco. I have old stand alone licences from a few years ago. I noticed my windows version won't work in the Brower anymore.. bit of a pain.

Thanks for the bitwarden information. I'm thinking of looking I to that.

 

[macizcool]

I was in your situation, I just installed and paid for a license(not subscription) for they very good price of $50 and I am on 1P7. I would suggest you upgrade now before they start having second thoughts. If you buy now you are probably guaranteed 5 years of support(updates) or so.

Yeah that's crossed my mind. With 1P7 being a year old now, I thought about waiting to see any rumors about a version 8 before buying.

 

[Heineken]

"TriBruin, post: 27559133, member: 210497"]A lot more than keychain does. Keychain does none of the following:

• Store Credit Card data including the Security Code. Without the security code, I have to still pull my credit card out when paying via the web.

How many cards do you have that you can't remember a 3 digit code?

• Storing other important data, such as Driver Licenses, Insurance data, software installation codes, etc. (Yes, you can store that information in Notes, but it is neither convenient or formatted properly.)

There are many ways and apps to store sensitive data that require no subscriptions and offer encryption.

• Document attachment. I can add documents to my entries. When I buy a piece of software, I print the receipt and attach it to the software license.

Or just create a folder in your mail for software licenses.

• Generate passwords of infinite password complexities. Keychain only generates a 5x5(?) password, but, while that might be fine for website that I never type, it doesn't work for password that I have to type on a regular basis (Domian password, local server password, heck even my AppleID which I occasionally have to type.) For these types of passwords, I prefer a random 8-10 character with complexity.

Not worth 40 eur a year.

• Share passwords. This is huge. I can share certain passwords with other members of my family securely. Video services, shared with all my family. Bank accounts and Credit Cards, only shared with my wife. Personal password, only I can read them.

Yeah, sharing, password and secure in the same sentence ...

 

[ColdShadow]

Thanks god Apple has iCloud Keychain and I don’t have to pay monthly subscription for the rest of my life just to use a password organiser.
subscription based payment for apps is the worst thing ever.
there should be one off purchase option only.