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2.6GHz PowerMac G5s at MacWorld SF 2004?

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Re: Re: FINAL FACT

Originally posted by jade
Meaning... I think when the g5s were announced, the 3.0s were in final testing........
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I think that's a very interesting and possible reality. If any respectable CEO, especially one as stalwart as Jobs, says something will be available in a given time frame, they know they can do it months ahead of their promise. The corporate rule is to under promise and over perform. This helps your company and your stock price... and in our case may give us zippy new G5s in the upcoming months.

Personally, I think the G5 might be out in dual 3.0 GHz speeds in the February to April timeframe.
 
Re: uhhhg

Originally posted by NusuniAdmin
You could not tell the 90000....so on fans thing wus a joke. Lighten up man, jeeze. The fact is apple really needs to get a better way of cooling other than fans. With the 90 nm g5's comin out soon that will help alot. Wont they be somewhere crazy like 25% cooler or sumtin like that?
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Actually, I didn't see any indication that the 9xxxx thing was a joke. I saw the jab at gecko (cuz I'm special) but if there was irony, I certainly didn't see it.. and I'm a big fan of irony.
I don't see any chance that Apple will produce a fanless desktop machine any time soon. There are a variety of ways to move energy out of a CPU.. you can put a block of Aluminum or Copper on it, put a metal heat exchanger for a water cooler, put an electic peltier cooler on it, or even use something like the liquid microchannels that they are working on now. The problem is you are moving the heat away from the CPU but you still have to deal with it at some point. All computers require airflow to remove this this heat.. whether it is a fan on a heatsink, or a fan on the radiator in a water cooled system. The only way the non-Radeon cubes got around this (and the original iMacs) was to use convection cooling. Having the rising hot air create currents to cycle cool air in.

Cant wait till they invent a processor that is so cool that you can actualy touch without burning.
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Transmeta processors run without a heatsink. The Low power P3 processors run with passive cooling.. not much hotter than the transmeta's (they took the wind out of Transmeta's sails).

I just hope the 90 nm g5's has a little better OF though. The g5 at the local apple store had about 3 g5's set up and all of them except for 1 had corrupted open firmware, and the loud annoying fan speed(when you normaly open up the case its suppose to click on) wus always on. At least the most recent OF upgrade (OF 5. sumtin) helped wit this a little bit.
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Some of the original G5s would crash when the clear plastic window was replaced. This issue was fixed on or G5 after we applied the firmware update. The problem with the Applestore and especially places like BestBuy is that they aren't applying the patches like they should. The Applestore should know better though.
The Best buy by me has 10.2.4 on their non-G5s.. and 10.2.7 on their G5. Apparently some of the Applestore Geniuses stop by the local Bestbuys to look at the machines, but they don't have enough to visit all the stores.. even in cities like mine with 3 (soon 4) Apple stores.
 
well best buy has no updates because there is no interent for the computers...meaning that someone would have to download the updates and patches and install them manually.
 
Or Apple could send an update on cd to all stores that sell Apple computers. Make it run automatically when inserted and anyone could do it. You could even include updates to both Jaguar and Panther and have it detect which is installed.
 
Whereabouts are ya, NeatGekko? What do you say for yourself now? I can't wait to see the webcast of you eating your right hand.

Or are you just going to start up a new MacRumors account and start posting again under a different name? :cool:
 
Steve definitely had a 2 hour Keynote packed with goodies for everyone. The actual 20th anniverary of the Mac isn't until the 20th. Steve said that there was a lot more to come. So I kind of expect to see a G5 update on or around the 24th.
 
Damn shame...

Nothing against iLife product line and Garage Band. But, jumping from the Xserve to iTools was a bit of a bummer for one waiting to hear news of increased peformance G5s... Oh well. At least Jobs had fun making music loops.

Until next time...
 
90 nm

I still find it interesting how in the technical pdf file for xserve it says 90 NM powerpc g5. Kind of interesting.
 
I was very right

I was very right about the iPods...wow...price even! Sorry I missed on the G5. They don't have a date yet, but its before Febuary. For those of you waiting...just a little bit longer. All I've got to say...and the next update will bring 3's.
 
Re: I was very right

Originally posted by NeatGekko
I was very right about the iPods...wow...price even! Sorry I missed on the G5. They don't have a date yet, but its before Febuary. For those of you waiting...just a little bit longer. All I've got to say...and the next update will bring 3's.
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Somehow I trust this guy :)
I expect PMac upgrades soon, usually around the 20th this month...
 
Macworld is generally reserved for new products or ones that have been radically updated. Until the 980 arrives or there's a new case, don't expect a keynote unveiling of new products. The G5s should be updated in 2-3 weeks.
 
January 24th should be the day of announcement

I read somewhere that IBM was expected to ship allotments of the 90nm G5 this month . If they are using 2 GHZ G5s for the Xserves , then I would expect Apple to be using the 2.2 GHZ , 2.4 GHZ, and 2.6 GHZ G5s for the PowerMacs . Once Apple has shipped out about the first 50,000 units of the rev. B G5 PowerMacs I would expect them to start preparing for an April announcement for the G5 iMac or eMac ( whichever models can handle the heat issues. ) I would expect one or the other to be released with the G5 , even if it ended up being the eMac that was the one that was the only cunsumer model presently that could handle the heat. If it meant that the iMac had to wait before going G5 after the eMac, so what ? ;)
 
Re: Re: Maybe this is my grumpy mood talking, but

Originally posted by Dippo
I don't know if I would call Dell Inspiron 5100 a laptop. You pretty much have to have it plugged in all the time because that wonderful 2.8Ghz P4 processor drains the battery like crazy.
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Uhhh... right. Have you used this laptop? No? Hmm thats a surprise. My girlfriend has this laptop. While a tad on the heavy side, it's plenty fast, has a superb LCD, and the battery life is better than my ibook's. It always gets more than 3 hours with normal use, while my ibook has NEVER gotten more than 3...
 
Re: Re: Re: FINAL FACT

Originally posted by Frobozz
I think that's a very interesting and possible reality. If any respectable CEO, especially one as stalwart as Jobs, says something will be available in a given time frame, they know they can do it months ahead of their promise. The corporate rule is to under promise and over perform. This helps your company and your stock price... and in our case may give us zippy new G5s in the upcoming months.

Personally, I think the G5 might be out in dual 3.0 GHz speeds in the February to April timeframe.
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i didn't see the macworld sf keynote but when i heard of the mini ipods, even though i had seen the rumor floating around in mac circles, i was so excited i didn't really care so much about the current state of the G5s speed this month

i know there has been a lot said about the mini ipod being too much, and the news took a swipe at apple saying they were new, cool, but fifty dollars more than the competitors but that does not surprise me

remember, in the context of today's mega computer corporations, buyouts, and mergers, apple inc is a very, very small company and it is unrealistic to think apple inc can compete dollar for dollar with 95% percent of the industry who has to generally worry about sharing the same operating system and is able to get parts cheaper from vendors due to the great amounts of product that are made for...that other 95% percent of the market

sure, we share some common components with the pc side, but even then, it's not to be had at the same price most of the time

i think an ipod and mini ipod onslaught into the market brings in quick sales on a high margin (of profit) item so apple inc can make more net profit and hopefully share the savings with us and give us better and faster computers priced cheaper than they would have originally intended to sale us the gear for...it's possible

now apple can stash the cash away and not reduce prices on future products and in the long run, they can lose out completely if they remain too high on some products...it does not take a ceo, cpa, or mba to realize that when apple inc almost went under in late 1997, they had six billion dollars in the bank...but apple inc had a bad reputation, bad sales, lost confidence, and legions of mac faithful switching to the pc side and not looking back...i was one of them and i, like many, thought apple inc was dead in the water...sure, they had steve jobs come on as a helper for no pay, but i thought then it was too little too late as much of the financial community had believed

but thank god for dot.com and the internet and the introduction of the "i"mac just in time with a 56k modem:D
 
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Originally posted by jefhatfield
now apple can stash the cash away and not reduce prices on future products and in the long run, they can lose out completely if they remain too high on some products...it does not take a ceo, cpa, or mba to realize that when apple inc almost went under in late 1997, they had six billion dollars in the bank...but apple inc had a bad reputation, bad sales, lost confidence, and legions of mac faithful switching to the pc side and not looking back...
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I'm fairly certain that Apple had nothing near 6Billion in the bank back then. I believe it was at most 1Billion at the best of times. Back then, Apple's stock was ping-ponging between below $15/share and $30 per share. It would shoot up on good news and slide back in between. I didn't have cash to invest at the time, but I made a few people thousands on recommendations so I remember. (my mother's friend bought 1000 shares on my recommendation at around $15 right before the MS investment).
Anywho.. the point is, Apple's stock has split since then and it often sold below $15. That would be like $7.50 now.
If Apple had that much cash, someone would have certainly bought them out, taken the cash and IP, then sold off the rest. With that much cash, it would have just been good business for someone to take and gut Apple.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: FINAL FACT

Originally posted by ffakr
I'm fairly certain that Apple had nothing near 6Billion in the bank back then. I believe it was at most 1Billion at the best of times. Back then, Apple's stock was ping-ponging between below $15/share and $30 per share. It would shoot up on good news and slide back in between. I didn't have cash to invest at the time, but I made a few people thousands on recommendations so I remember. (my mother's friend bought 1000 shares on my recommendation at around $15 right before the MS investment).
Anywho.. the point is, Apple's stock has split since then and it often sold below $15. That would be like $7.50 now.
If Apple had that much cash, someone would have certainly bought them out, taken the cash and IP, then sold off the rest. With that much cash, it would have just been good business for someone to take and gut Apple.
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not all greenback cash, but other solvent interests, too

at the time, microsoft had 90 billion in cash and assets for investment, and for bill gates that wasn't enough

when asked who would be the next "microsoft" in the decade after the 90s, the motley fool brothers said "microsoft"...other investors named cisco, novell, amazon.com, webvan, priceline.com, etc and other great sounding stocks, at the time ;)

thank god the government got wise and stopped bill before he swallowed up the entire industry of personal computers because he could have bought apple inc with his petty cash:p
 
Re: Re: Re: Maybe this is my grumpy mood talking, but

Originally posted by dmron
Uhhh... right. Have you used this laptop? No? Hmm thats a surprise. My girlfriend has this laptop. While a tad on the heavy side, it's plenty fast, has a superb LCD, and the battery life is better than my ibook's. It always gets more than 3 hours with normal use, while my ibook has NEVER gotten more than 3...
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3 hours is pretty crap my ibook genraly gets 5 (600 cd)

are you running panther?

(I did the PMU reset)
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: FINAL FACT

Originally posted by jefhatfield
not all greenback cash, but other solvent interests, too
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Yea, I understand the concept of corporate 'Cash'. When people throw around the term cash they mean cash and short term investments.
Apple still didn't have 6billion in 'cash' back in 1997. Not even close. They would have been bought up. If I remember correctly, they had between 400mil and 1Bil in cash a the time.

According to etrade today:
Apple AAPL
Price $23.00
Market Cap: 7.8 Billion
Shares out: 367.7 Million
Cash/share: $12
That's puts their current 'cash' on hand at $4.4 Billion.
Back in the day, Apple's Market cap was less than half what it is now. If Apple had $ 4 billion in 'cash' back then, it would have more in the bank than its valuation. You could have bought it up, sold off the investments, and just abandoned the company, IP, Property, inventory... and You'd still come out ahead.
Even now, Apple has a lot of 'cash' on hand. It frequently worries analysts that they could be the target of a take over. This is one reason why there are always rumors about Sony, Disney.. whoever buying out Apple.


thank god the government got wise and stopped bill before he swallowed up the entire industry of personal computers because he could have bought apple inc with his petty cash:p
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MS never tried to buy up Apple. The investment of $150Mil in Apple took the form of non-voting stock. MS sold that eventually for about 1Billion. Not a bad investment.
 
Cash prevents takeovers

Having a lot of cash on hand prevents takeovers when the company does NOT want to be bought.

Cash can be spent in ways that stymie the takeover, such as stock buybacks, new acquisitions, etc.

Michael Dell actually suggested that Apple shoudl dissolve itself and return the cash to the stockholders in 97 or 98, perhaps 96.

nuts to that.
 
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Originally posted by ffakr


MS never tried to buy up Apple.
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thank god to that...could you imagine what things would be like??

1998...hello world, introducing the iBill
1999...the billyBook
2001...OS XP
2004...miniBillpod in five colors
 
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