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2005 NFL Season

the colts were clearly the better team, and are clearly the best team in football. we'll see if the steelers can get their offense on track next week- two tough games coming up, and they can't lose both.

is it just me, or do the steelers have to pick a running back and just go with him? personally, i think staley should be the man. their o-line isn't designed for a speed back like parker, and their passing game can't make up for too many third and longs.

still, they're a solid team, and if they can get on the same page offensively, they could have a nice playoff run.

how many personal fouls were there? a hundred? jeez.

tough game to watch. ugh.
 
trebblekicked said:
the colts were clearly the better team, and are clearly the best team in football. we'll see if the steelers can get their offense on track next week- two tough games coming up, and they can't lose both.
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Yeah, the O' line looked bad, especially that tackle (?) Essex. That second motion call before half on 4th and 1 screwed things up. And then Roethlisberger was not on form. Disappointing. I hope they pick up. The O-line is going to have to tighten up for Chicago.

is it just me, or do the steelers have to pick a running back and just go with him?
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Agree. I'm getting confused about who's who!


their passing game can't make up for too many third and longs.
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It should though... Am I imagining things? I thought that's what they were doing before tonight.


tough game to watch. ugh.
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I turned off after the last Ben R. interception. He wasn't playing well, the O like was horrendous, and the D was missing tackles on runs like they'd only trained to tackle Manning.
 
yojitani said:
It should though... Am I imagining things? I thought that's what they were doing before tonight.
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as of last week, the steelers were 31st in the league in 3rd down conversions. i can't say for sure if that was because they had a lot of 3rd and longs, but seeing how the passing game hasn't accounted for much offense this year, it's an assumption i'm willing to make.
 
iRachel said:
I think Jauron could be a decent head coach provided that he could find a good offensive coordinator to compliment him (i.e. not John Shoop).

That being said, I'm glad he's not in Chicago anymore.

Go Bears :cool:
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You took the words right out of my mouth. I'm just hoping that something eventually clicks with Orton or they give Rex a chance to see what he can do. However, if they keep winning that's not going to happen. I think Rex would put them in a much better situation to move the ball down the field.

One thing I think that is getting overlooked for the Bears is Robbie Gould as kicker. While he's not an all pro kicker he's been doing a pretty decent job and his two field goals were the difference last week.
 
Kup said:
Nobody in school believed me since I'm a diehard Seahawks fan. :p With the Seahawks getting screwed by officiating for the last 7 or 8 years, it's nice to see the NFL actually apologize for a game Seattle should have won by 15 points. I'm looking forward to a Superbowl preview when the Seahawks try and take down the other Manning.
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Did you really watch that game?

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Holmgren said he was told by game officials there was not enough indisputable visual evidence to overturn either touchdown.
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The key word here is indisputable.

In my opinion both plays were tough calls. I think the Shockey touchdown was valid and the call on the field was correct with what the refs had to view. Toomers TD was a little bit more questionable and I am not sure I would have called it a TD but once again that decision ultimately falls to Nemmers. Personally I think the officiating was crap on both sides of the ball and it really disrupted the whole flow of the game.
And before you flame me, I am not a NY fan. The only reason I was even watching that game is to see how the Hawks were going to be against the colts defensively. From what I saw it will not be much of a matchup.

Edit: Went back and watched the Tommers TD again on replay and it was a good call. He had both feet in.
 
Crappy officiating or not, Feely missed three consecutive FG attempts (granted, they were all on the long side), and they racked up the penalties (16!). So I get to laugh back at my uncle, who laughed at me on Thanksgiving when the Cowboys lost in OT.
 
watcher2001 said:
Did you really watch that game?
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Every high and low moment, both standing and sitting.

I think the Shockey touchdown was valid and the call on the field was correct with what the refs had to view. Toomers TD was a little bit more questionable and I am not sure I would have called it a TD but once again that decision ultimately falls to Nemmers. Personally I think the officiating was crap on both sides of the ball and it really disrupted the whole flow of the game.
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Shockey got one foot in, got leveled, then lost the ball as his other foot touched the ground while his body did a 180. Toomers got his first foot in on the 1/2mm line, then dragged that foot out of bounds as he touched his second foot in. Amazing effort, but not a touchdown. Yes, the officiating was terrible, but Seattle has been on the losing side of these bad calls for years. It's about time they got an apology.

The only reason I was even watching that game is to see how the Hawks were going to be against the colts defensively. From what I saw it will not be much of a matchup.
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That's the thing, nobody is going to match the Colts on the defensive side. What more proof do you need than the Steelers whooping last night. The Seahawks are the only team that will be able to compete offensively, yet still get a few stops on "Sea-Fense". You have to beat the Colts at their own game, and if any team can do it, it's the Seahawks. Oh, and as far as the flaming goes, that's not why I'm here. I'm here to have logical discussions with fellow Mac lovers and football fans. :)
 
Josh396 said:
You took the words right out of my mouth. I'm just hoping that something eventually clicks with Orton or they give Rex a chance to see what he can do. However, if they keep winning that's not going to happen. I think Rex would put them in a much better situation to move the ball down the field.

One thing I think that is getting overlooked for the Bears is Robbie Gould as kicker. While he's not an all pro kicker he's been doing a pretty decent job and his two field goals were the difference last week.
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I think Robbie's doing a great job, too - and Soldier Field isn't an easy place to kick (one of the worst in the NFL, I think). I keep hoping for Orton's breakout game, too...I have no doubt the kid can be a good quarterback in the NFL...he's had some good moments on the field, now he needs to put it all together. I wouldn't be averse to seeing Rex on the field, but even he has said he's not 100% yet and if Lovie wants to stick with Kyle, that's fine by me. He's the one who watches practice every day and knows what's going on.
 
Kup said:
That's the thing, nobody is going to match the Colts on the defensive side. What more proof do you need than the Steelers whooping last night. The Seahawks are the only team that will be able to compete offensively, yet still get a few stops on "Sea-Fense". You have to beat the Colts at their own game, and if any team can do it, it's the Seahawks. Oh, and as far as the flaming goes, that's not why I'm here. I'm here to have logical discussions with fellow Mac lovers and football fans. :)
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Well, with last year's coaching team, the Pats did it. Not to be this year though.
 
Counterfit said:
Well, with last year's coaching team, the Pats did it. Not to be this year though.
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Unfortunately I agree.. with the injuries and loss of coaching, this is definitely proving to be a tough year for the Pats. But that's ok.. if one isn't a bandwagoner, one should be very accustomed to "tough years". :)
 
called it

I hate being right sometimes...


I called a steeler two game losing streak, and sure enough...uggh

we look bad,,really bad...:(

If we lose next week to Cinci, I really think we might miss the playoffs...

If we win, there is a good chance that we will go deep in the playoffs, that's how important I think next game is to the Burgh..it is a MUST WIN!!

anyway..congrats to the Colts..they're incredible..any bets on who will cause them to lose?? anyone...anyone...

we'll see

GO BURGH!!!
 
iRachel said:
I think Robbie's doing a great job, too - and Soldier Field isn't an easy place to kick (one of the worst in the NFL, I think). I keep hoping for Orton's breakout game, too...I have no doubt the kid can be a good quarterback in the NFL...he's had some good moments on the field, now he needs to put it all together. I wouldn't be averse to seeing Rex on the field, but even he has said he's not 100% yet and if Lovie wants to stick with Kyle, that's fine by me. He's the one who watches practice every day and knows what's going on.
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While I'm perfectly fine with Orton in since he has lead them to 7 straight victories, I'm still not sure about his passing ability. The good thing is the Bears don't need that from him. So far they've been fortunate enough to get early turnovers from 2 very good teams that gave them first in goal. The problem I have is that something like that isn't bound to happen every game. What happens if the Bears fall behind early? I just can't see Orton leading them downfield to score a few touchdowns. I'm hoping that they give Rex a shot the last game or two just to see what he can do unless they have a shot at home field advantage. I'm looking forward to going to another home playoff game.
 
quigleybc said:
If we lose next week to Cinci, I really think we might miss the playoffs...
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It will be interesting to see them play the Seahawks but I don't think they will loose. I don't see Dungy ever benching his starters, at least for the whole game. I can see him doing something similar to last year when Manning, James, Harrison, etc. only played the first quarter of the game and then taking them out after that. However, with that offense I think they really only need to play one quarter. We'll see though.
 
Josh396 said:
While I'm perfectly fine with Orton in since he has lead them to 7 straight victories, I'm still not sure about his passing ability. The good thing is the Bears don't need that from him. So far they've been fortunate enough to get early turnovers from 2 very good teams that gave them first in goal. The problem I have is that something like that isn't bound to happen every game. What happens if the Bears fall behind early? I just can't see Orton leading them downfield to score a few touchdowns. I'm hoping that they give Rex a shot the last game or two just to see what he can do unless they have a shot at home field advantage. I'm looking forward to going to another home playoff game.
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I agree with you 99%... the 1% that I have to disagree with you is that I've never witnessed Kyle Orton lead the bears anywhere... I've seen his defense win them 7 straight games. Kyle will be a great quarterback but the fact still remains he's still a rookie and it's obvious that he can't bounce back from adversity (for example the Bengals game and Washington... I don't blame Orton for Cleveland... the Bears D just fell apart)
 
Bubbasteve said:
I agree with you 99%... the 1% that I have to disagree with you is that I've never witnessed Kyle Orton lead the bears anywhere... I've seen his defense win them 7 straight games. Kyle will be a great quarterback but the fact still remains he's still a rookie and it's obvious that he can't bounce back from adversity (for example the Bengals game and Washington... I don't blame Orton for Cleveland... the Bears D just fell apart)
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Like that Tom jackson guy said on ESPN... Hes a more a manager.
 
Bubbasteve said:
I agree with you 99%... the 1% that I have to disagree with you is that I've never witnessed Kyle Orton lead the bears anywhere... I've seen his defense win them 7 straight games. Kyle will be a great quarterback but the fact still remains he's still a rookie and it's obvious that he can't bounce back from adversity (for example the Bengals game and Washington... I don't blame Orton for Cleveland... the Bears D just fell apart)
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I'll give him the Redskins game since it was his first game against a very aggressive defense and he started to lead them towards the end. It's seems to me to be the same situation as last year with Krenzel when the Bears won 3 straight, all by their defense. However I don't really think Lovie will take Orton out unless he completely falls apart and the Bears are shut out for the next few weeks, something I don't see happening with 2 games with the Packers coming up.

Another thing going for Orton is the Bears rushing offense. It's probably the best the Bears have had since Neal Anderson played. It seems like they could put any back in there and rush for 100 yards a game. As long as they keep running the ball it will be very hard for Orton to loose his job.
 
Apple said:
Like that Tom jackson guy said on ESPN... Hes a more a manager.
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Exactly. Lovie has put him in the perfect situation. All he has to do is pretty much get them in field goal range 2 times a game and score an early touchdown. If the Bears can score first every game I really don't see them loosing. Right now their pass rush is unbelievable, even without blitzing. However, come playoff time, they're going to need to be able to put 20+ points up at least once.
 
How bout my man LT2 turnin up 184 and three TDs against the skins last week. Is this guy amazing or what. Did any of you see all those drops by Antonio Gates too?
 
Apple said:
How bout my man LT2 turnin up 184 and three TDs against the skins last week. Is this guy amazing or what. Did any of you see all those drops by Antonio Gates too?
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Didn't see the game but LT is putting himself in position to become one of the best RB's in history. He is a complete player. I only wish he was on the Bears.:rolleyes: (Not that I dislike Thomas Jones)

EDIT: It makes you wonder who got the better of that trade, the Falcons or the Chargers. It's looking like the Chargers to me right now.
 
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