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2006 NFL Season

dsnort said:
As an old Florida Gator, I have to add, that Peyton Manning has never been able to win the big one.

He's a great QB, but this just seems to follow him like a cloud.
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I think Indy's problem is that they tend to live off of the big play, and if they don't get it, they've got nothing else in the bag. They're stuck in the "Dan Marino" syndrome i.e. they have such a good passer that they'd be stupid not to throw it 30 times a game, but teams that throw that much don't usually win the big one...

...with the possible exception of the Joe Montana/Steve Young era 49ers...
 
beatsme said:
I think Indy's problem is that they tend to live off of the big play, and if they don't get it, they've got nothing else in the bag.

...with the possible exception of the Joe Montana/Steve Young era 49ers...
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Remember those 49ers did have RBs like Roger Craig to get some balance into the game. Roger Craig, at least to me, is sadly under-rated and doesn't get the recognition he deserves for his part in the 49ers success. Both his rushing and his receiving skills were excellent - and it wasn't til Marshall Faulk came along that we really saw someone similar.

As for Indy... I think part of it is the pressure that for whatever reason failure is becoming self-perpetuating. Another reason is Peyton - while audibling occasionally is good, he basically over-rides the offensive co-ordinator most of the time. Perhaps if he listened to more of what the guy in the booth was seeing rather than going his own way, they'd have more success against those championship level defenses which are aware of his tendencies when he audibles?
 
Maybe the Colts just don't have "it." "It" being that immeasurable, indefinable quality that allows one to rise above one's peers in unpredictable yet effective ways.

I think Tom Brady has "it." I think Brett Farve used to have "it." I don't think Manning has "it" though. Don't get me wrong, I love watching him play. His execution is nearly flawless and I think he's possibly the most refined example of a pocket passer in NFL history. On paper I don't think you could draw up a better QB than Manning. But I don't think he has "it."


Lethal
 
LethalWolfe said:
Maybe the Colts just don't have "it." "It" being that immeasurable, indefinable quality that allows one to rise above one's peers in unpredictable yet effective ways.

I think Tom Brady has "it." I think Brett Farve used to have "it." I don't think Manning has "it" though. Don't get me wrong, I love watching him play. His execution is nearly flawless and I think he's possibly the most refined example of a pocket passer in NFL history. On paper I don't think you could draw up a better QB than Manning. But I don't think he has "it."


Lethal
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well put. I agree completely.
 
Applespider said:
As for Indy... I think part of it is the pressure that for whatever reason failure is becoming self-perpetuating. Another reason is Peyton - while audibling occasionally is good, he basically over-rides the offensive co-ordinator most of the time. Perhaps if he listened to more of what the guy in the booth was seeing rather than going his own way, they'd have more success against those championship level defenses which are aware of his tendencies when he audibles?
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Peyton has 3 plays called in for each down by the OC, 2 running plays and a passing play or 2 passing plays and a running play depending on down, distance, situation. Peyton then audibles to the one of the 3 that he thinks would work best for the defensive configuaration. It is really good if your QB can do it as it provides more play calling options that can work in your favor.

I think that Manning's failure in the playoffs is due to the fact that that is the time he gets hit the most, from the better teams with better defenses. If he was playing an offensive team in the playoffs he can win, it is when he comes up against defensive teams he seems to 'lose it' i.e. New England, Pittsburgh.
 
ziwi said:
Peyton has 3 plays called in for each down by the OC, 2 running plays and a passing play or 2 passing plays and a running play depending on down, distance, situation. Peyton then audibles to the one of the 3 that he thinks would work best for the defensive configuaration. It is really good if your QB can do it as it provides more play calling options that can work in your favor.
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I think that's part of their problem. The Colts/Manning tend to overthink it too much, kind of a caveat for passing teams. They're trying to use formations and misdirection to pull the defense out of position so the offense can make the big play. A well-disciplined defense that's able to recognize what's going on (such as the Patriots or Steelers) can avoid giving up the big play and more or less keep the opposing offense in check, and turn the game into a low-scoring, grind-it-out kind of thing.

Unfortunately, the Colts aren't exactly built to win games like that. They have a smallish but extremely quick defense. If you're having to pass the ball & play catch-up because the Colts have you in the hole by 14 points, the Colts D and esp. Dwight Freeney will eat you alive. If the game is close, you can pretty much muscle the Colts defense with the running game (which keeps Manning off the field), and pass whenever the opportunity presents itself.
 
quigleybc said:
I won't write off Peyton till this season ends.

He was humiliated by my Stillers last year.

If he doesn't use this season as a mission to win it all, then I'll say he doesn't have "it"
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he sure got a lot of help from the officials in that game :D

Win it all this year? Eh...I guess we'll see.
 
ziwi said:
I think that Manning's failure in the playoffs is due to the fact that that is the time he gets hit the most, from the better teams with better defenses. If he was playing an offensive team in the playoffs he can win, it is when he comes up against defensive teams he seems to 'lose it' i.e. New England, Pittsburgh.
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This was the philosophy the Gator's had for playing Tennessee when Manning was there, hit him a few times and he gets flustered. The result was that Manning never beat the Gators.

Oddly enough, that was the same thing the Gator's did against Bo Jackson. Hit him a few times, and then he'd be standing on the sidelines watching the game!
 
beatsme said:
Win it all this year? Eh...I guess we'll see.
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I mean, I don't want him to win it all, but techincally he should. He beats every teams A**.....and every year people say "he'll win it all" and he never does, so this is his last chance I think. If he blows it again, I think it's time for him to try something else. like a new team.
 
quigleybc said:
I mean, I don't want him to win it all, but techincally he should. He beats every teams A**.....and every year people say "he'll win it all" and he never does, so this is his last chance I think. If he blows it again, I think it's time for him to try something else. like a new team.
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one sportscaster (I forget who) said that he thought Manning's best chance was to have an "Elway-like" rebirth. I guess what he meant was that the Colts in their current incarnation just aren't going to be able to do it, which I'm inclined to believe. I think he played for a team that relied on a big, physical running game and a tough, hard-hitting defense (say, Washington under Joe Gibbs or Dallas under Bill Parcells) he'd be a lot better off.
 
dsnort said:
This was the philosophy the Gator's had for playing Tennessee when manning was there, hit him a few times and he gets flustered. The result was that Manning never beat the Gators.

Oddly enough, that was the same thing the Gator's did against Bo Jackson. Hit him a few times, and then he'd be standing on the sidelines watching the game!
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Agreed. That's how the Chargers beat the Colts last year. It's hard to get Manning flustered, but once you do the whole O starts to crack 'cause the whole thing is built around Peyton being capt. clockwork. He does get more responsibility than most NFL QBs, and he's made some bad decisions because of it, but I think overall that freedom benefits the Colts way more than it hurts them.


Lethal
 
beatsme said:
I think he played for a team that relied on a big, physical running game and a tough, hard-hitting defense (say, Washington under Joe Gibbs or Dallas under Bill Parcells) he'd be a lot better off.
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wow, the thought of a peyton manning caliber qb in washington is awesome. but we'll stick with the old man, as much as i like brunell.. ahhh
 
ziwi said:
I think that Manning's failure in the playoffs is due to the fact that that is the time he gets hit the most, from the better teams with better defenses. If he was playing an offensive team in the playoffs he can win, it is when he comes up against defensive teams he seems to 'lose it' i.e. New England, Pittsburgh.
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Don't underestimate the effect of the coaches on teams that always make the playoffs but always seem to come up shy of the Big Dance. Some coaches, Dungy is one of the best examples although Mike Sherman did this as well, do not do a good job of "stepping it up" for the playoffs and treat them as just another game. As a result they have great teams and consistently can make the playoffs but always seem to lose before they make it to the Super Bowl. Playoffs require a higher performance level from coaches and players since every team you play knows that this could be their last game and will play harder because of it. To treat the playoffs as "just another game" is a very serious coaching error.
 
man...

Chris Henry just got jacked up by Ryan Clark...whew. You had to see that coming. Henry's got a big mouth...
 
GAA!! Can I call out the people that have totally abandoned their fantasy teams? Who starts two guys on a bye week (or even one) or leaves a slot open (in addition to a bye). GAA! I hate, I hate, I hate.

That being said, while I'm glad my real Iggles won their game, what was up with noy telling my fantasy Iggles earlier in the week that Donte wasn't going to play? He was listed as Probable in the injury reports!!!
 
nbs2 said:
GAA!! Can I call out the people that have totally abandoned their fantasy teams? Who starts two guys on a bye week (or even one) or leaves a slot open (in addition to a bye). GAA! I hate, I hate, I hate.

That being said, while I'm glad my real Iggles won their game, what was up with noy telling my fantasy Iggles earlier in the week that Donte wasn't going to play? He was listed as Probable in the injury reports!!!
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Yea, I'm a bit disappointed with some of the teams in the league. But whatever, I won this week. It's beginning to look like you and me and whoever has the team Billiethecats are going to be top teams...
 
Applespider said:
Yeah... I hate that. Although I hate it more that the players I gave up on or dropped all had great weeks... :mad:
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I did that with Farve, and if I had played him this week rather than dropping him, it would've been great fantasy points. But the odds of him keeping it up are slim to nil, so it's not that bad of a loss.
 
Warner

fumbles the snap, and kills what would've been a chip-shot field goal opportunity for Arizona to win the game...

I respect the guy for what he's done in the league, but it might be time to hang it up. He makes mistakes that you just can't have...
 
OK, the Pats kinda suck... Last night's game was depressing.

But they're still my team for good or ill.
Hell.. they've been ill a lot more than they've been good! :)
 
FWIW, I think my Cleveland Browns are finally seeing the light at the end of the tunnel...and unlike previous occasions, it's not a runaway train.

After two horrible, horrible games, yesterday they finally looked like they were playing as a team, and not a collection of talented individuals. Charlie Frye bomb to Braylon Edwards? Beautiful. Frye scramble for the end zone? Very nice. Nearly-impossible leaping catch by Kellen Winslow? Impressive!

Now, they lost again (to the hated Ravens), but only by one point, and only after being up 14-3 for much of the game. But they put together some good drives, something they haven't yet been able to do this year. And Romeo Crennel and Phil Savage are taking them in the right direction. I look forward to seeing further progress.

Patience...patience....
 
Thomas Veil said:
FWIW, I think my Cleveland Browns are finally seeing the light at the end of the tunnel...and unlike previous occasions, it's not a runaway train.

After two horrible, horrible games, yesterday they finally looked like they were playing as a team, and not a collection of talented individuals. Charlie Frye bomb to Braylon Edwards? Beautiful. Frye scramble for the end zone? Very nice. Nearly-impossible leaping catch by Kellen Winslow? Impressive!

Now, they lost again (to the hated Ravens), but only by one point, and only after being up 14-3 for much of the game. But they put together some good drives, something they haven't yet been able to do this year. And Romeo Crennel and Phil Savage are taking them in the right direction. I look forward to seeing further progress.

Patience...patience....
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yea. Charlie Frye is a gamer, that's for sure. A step up from the Tim Couch debacle. Winslow and Edwards are good players too. Really need a RB, though...easy to say that, but hard to find a guy who can handle 20-25 carries a game.
 
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