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2007-08 NBA season discussion
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well, the Nuggets are 1 win away from getting in the playoffs.
i sure hope Iverson can pull off more than 1 win this time. but i hear Carmelo got arrested. let's hope he's able to play
Honestly, I would much rather play the Nuggets than the Warriors. Denver often ignores defense and occasionally just forgets to play. It seems unlikely to me that Karl will suddenly get them to play well when they've underachieved all season. Golden State, on the other hand, is a crazy team that imposes their style on other teams and is streaky enough to steal a game or two from any team in the league.
I'd be fine with a repeat of the 2001 Finals. The Sixers needed a brilliant effort from Iverson to win even one game.
that was only game the lakers lost that post season. the best post season ever. my favorite moment in that games was when a.i. busted a 3 right in front of tyron lue, and then stepped over him because he was on the ground. even as a laker fan, i loved that moment.
i'm so glad denver beat houston yesterday because that makes it possible for the lakers to get the 1 seed with a win tommorow. i think carmello was happy too 'cause he must have partied a little hard last nite to end up with a DUI today.
GO LAKERS!!!
I definitely would not. AI + Melo + Kenyon Martin = bad for other teams.
Yes, but what if they remember to play? They have talent.
They have no heart this year and barely even want to win. They would get swept.
The Lakers were UNSTOPPABLE in 2001. Game 1 win with an incredible effort from Iverson was crazy, even though I definitely wanted the Lakers to win.
i really think denver has a chance at the lakers, as long as they have carmelo. you forget that Marcus Camby was the defensive player of the year last year, and could get it again this year. and Kenyon Martin isn't too bad at defensive either. and Iverson is great at stealing the ball.
i'm just saying. Denver has potential
Let's be clear. Denver has potential, but it ain't on defense. If they're gonna win, it's because it will be a very high scoring game. Any arguments that Denver actually can play defense is absolutely wrong...they can't. Marcus Camby is horrible on defense (he only blocks shots, he lets people get by him every time down the court), AI is good on a smaller player, and the rest of them are just plain bad. Maybe they don't try, but I doubt it. They just aren't a defensive team.
EDIT: And I just don't know who I'd root for. I grew up a Lakers fan, live in L.A., but Allen Iverson is my favorite player who is still playing.
root for the lakers!!!
l.a. matches up with denver very well and for some reason, the lakers seem to own the nuggets. the warriors on the other hand, seem to confuse the lakers or something because the lakers can barely beat them. i'm glad it's nuggets and not the warriors. i can't deny iverson. that dude is a baller. j.r. smith is playing really well too.
say what you will, but defensive player of the year does mean something. and Camby has gotten over 20 rebounds several times. to say Camby is "horrible on defense" is absurd, when he was defensive player of the year.
they aren't a defensive team, but they have potential to play better defense than they have been, which would surprise the lakers.
Allen Iverson is my favorite player also, and that's why i'm rooting for the nuggets.
20 rebounds doesn't equal good defense when the person you're guarding gets past you almost every time. He's good at rebounding, he's good at blocking shots, that's about it. Did you Denver is like 7th in the league in the defensive efficiency statistic? It means nothing.
Hopefully, I'd like this series to be long.
The more I think about it, the more I want Allen Iverson to win a series over the Lakers. I think it would mean a lot to him and, personally, there is no one on the Lakers who I think deserves this series win more than AI.
and now they are out.
i say blow that team up. iverson and anthony are ball stoppers and you don't need 2 on one team.
let's keep this thing alive...
go lakers!!!
coming from someone who likes the lakers, who have bryant. (i'd call 81 points a ball hog)
anyways, there were some terrible calls against the suns in their last game. i guess it was too late anyways though
The Spurs are the biggest floppers the NBA has ever seen.
But no, they (the Suns) didn't deserve to win anyway. Too bad, I'm a huge fan of Shaq. Here's to hoping he loses 35 pounds and works out like crazy over the offseason like he did when he went to Miami...
There are some people who think it would be 'melo that would be traded. That might be the better short-term move. Iverson is quite a bit older with a lot of mileage on him but, surprisingly, seems to have the better attitude. Both of them are great, but they're both finishers more than playmakers. I'm not sure either of them can learn a pass-first mentality at this point, so one of them probably has to go.
In other news it looks like the Mavs will get blown up now, something a lot of people predicted after last year's playoff collapse. I've heard a few people suggest that they should consider trading Nowitzki. Obviously it would depend on who they got for him, but Dallas desperately needs to get younger now. It's not a stretch to imagine them falling out of contention with Kidd deteriorating further, lack of draft picks, and Nowitzki their only real option on offense. Salary cap-wise, they're stuck until Kidd's contract ends in a couple years.
you are quite right about the spurs. man i hope they lose. The suns might now have deserved to win the series, but i think they did in game 5
we'll see about the nuggets. yeah, people keep saying that Iverson is too old, and that he'll lose his quickness, but he just keeps producing numbers. and has anyone looked at his assists lately? he has good days and bad, but when he has 30 points and 10 assists, they almost always win.
Yeah, Iverson just keeps on going with no end in sight. On the other hand, is Denver the team he can win a championship with? In the number of years he has left? Doesn't seem likely. In fact, I'm not sure where he could. Here's an entertaining idea: what about Iverson to Golden State? Iverson can opt out, Baron Davis might not return to Oakland, and AI could put up 40 a night under Nellie.
I would go so far as to say that whenever a team's best player drops 30 and 10 on someone, that team almost always wins.
He's always been that way.
There are a lot of players who say this, there is one player who lives it:
"I want everybody to know--I play every game like it's my last."
-Allen Iverson
I was extremely unimpressed by Melo this series. He was awful.
EDIT: With Shaq and the Suns out, and AI and the Nuggets out, I guess I have to root for a Lakers/Celtics finals and then the Lakers to win. It's too bad that L.A. fans are so ****ing dumb, their completely biased adoration for Kobe after he was ready to leave the city filled with bitterness and hatred not even 7 months ago is not even remembered. It's only, "81, that's all I need to say" "He has a reason to be cocky."
Put it through your heads stereotypical L.A. fans (as I type this message within a 10 minute bike ride of the Staples Center): Shaq won those three rings.
I wasn't questioning Iverson's heart or work ethic. I just meant that he's the one with the history of acting immature (granted, that was years ago), but compared to the rest of the Nuggets he's Gandalf-level wise.
He definitely had a bad series, even though he scored OK. If you saw him in the regular season, he was better. I thought he'd become a more complete player this season than he was before. I get the feeling that he just doesn't have good mentoring or the right combination of teammates in Denver. It's easy to forget that he played one (championship) season in college and then went right to the NBA. He's only 23. Unfortunately for him, he's always going to be compared to the guy who entered the league at the same time: LeBron James, who has already won a scoring title, been to the finals, and looks like a future HOFer already.
If by "stereotypical L.A. fans", you mean the ones who ignore the NBA until playoff time and then break out the car window flags, then yes. But if you watched the home opener, you saw the home fans boo him in the game introductions. They were showing Kobe that they were unimpressed with his offseason conduct and he had to get back to playing basketball, which he did.
As for the rings, no doubt Shaq was the engine that drove the team. But they don't win three without Kobe, maybe not even one. Quite a few people like to blame Bryant for the Shaq-Lakers divorce, but they're giving Shaq too much credit there. Shaq was the one that whined for a contract extension despite poor conditioning and that his new extension had only just kicked in. Kobe had actually planned on signing with the Clippers in 2004. He assumed that the Lakers would never trade Shaq and he'd have to go elsewhere to prove that he could carry a team. When they traded Shaq instead, he had every reason to stay with the team that could pay him more. Shaq is the more likable person, so people tend to take his side. But these were two massive egos who had trouble sharing the court, and two massive salaries that made it difficult to maneuver under the salary cap. Every non-Laker fan in the league hated that the Lakers managed to have two superstars for eight years. (Thank you Jerry West!) In hindsight, it's surprising that their partnership lasted that long. Somebody was going to have to go, and keeping the younger, cheaper player who hadn't yet reached his prime was a no-brainer.
I don't remember shaq winning with penny... the year he won with the heat, wade got mvp.
i remember during crunch time, the ball always seemed to be in kobe's hand because shaq couldn't hit free throws. they both needed each other. don't let your hatred for kobe take away what he did for the lakers too. shaq needed kobe as much as kobe needed shaq.
it's like you're a stereotypical kobe hater. you probably love steve nash. i don't get it. when kobe dropped 81, they were down by 18 in the third quarter. his teammates were shooting a crappy fg percentage, while he was hot. aren't you suppose to ride the hot hand? they also won. love him or hate him, he is that dude.
He'll be more than a HOFer. He is absolutely ridiculous.
And you'd think he never did that. I understand forgiving someone, but this is the same guy who would throw his teammates under the bus if they didn't play up to snuff. This is the guy who rolls his eyes whenever his teammates make a mistake, who was never animated anytime he sat on a bench. He's been doing better, but I can't help wonder if it's because of the bad publicity or if he's being genuine.
Shaq regularly scored 30+ points and 13+ rebounds as one of the most dominant players the NBA has ever seen. I'll tell you what. Without Kobe, I think Shaq would have had at least a legitimate shot at winning. Without Shaq, Kobe wouldn't (and hasn't) won. Sure, subjective, but I think it might be accurate.
I guess we'll see if he can this year. Not like it would be completely carrying them, the Lakers have Odom and Gasol, Gasol being a legitimate star in the league. Sorry folks, Jordan didn't need one of the best centers in the game to win six. God, this sounds like terrible Kobe hating. Just know that I respect his game. A lot.
Shaq just wins championships (excepting this year). Wade is my second favorite player in the league, so I obviously know his contribution, but without the big fella, the Heat were a first or second round exit.
Absolutely wrong. Shaq needs a good guard capable of hitting jumpers who will pass to him.
And here it comes from the stereotypical Laker fan. Look, I really admire Kobe's game. He's incredible. His skill is off the charts and the only players close to him in the raw skill category are Allen Iverson and Dwyane Wade. One of those guys is under 6', and the other is always injured.
Steve Nash is an incredible player who has a lot of heart and always works his butt off. I don't love him, but what does this have to do at all with what I'm saying?
What is a 'that dude'? Because 'that dude' is Michael Jordan. The current 'dude' is Kobe Bryant or Lebron James.