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2007-08 NBA season discussion

It's OK though, we've replaced him with what most of us feel is a better (and certainly much younger) player in Kyle Korver!
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Not near the same position or type of player, but yes, Kyle Korver is an incredible shooter.

You've really got me feeling bad now buddy, who are you anyway and why should I care about what you feel about me, I really do struggle with myself when anonymous internet douche bags try and insult me?
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Uh-oh, the condescending buddy usage was invoked! Anonymous internet douche bags? You can call me whatever you want, but me pointing out that your city has shown a huge lack of respect for a great player and a great person doesn't make me one.

We in Salt Lake know that most out of staters think our city is backwards and strange. We know you can't stand the people who live here, we know you think that Salt Lake City has nothing to offer.
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I've been to Salt Lake City, it was fine. I didn't find it backwards, except for everything not being open on a Sunday or Monday (I forget which one).

But ya know what, I think I speak for everyone when I say that we don't mind it that way, we have enough cretins moving here on a daily basis, a few who have no respect for us when they don't even know us (such as yourself badandy) will only help us not spoil our city, and keep it from being overrun by idiots just like every where else.
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What in Joe Smith's name are you talking about?

Keep the hate flowing, I'll take a tight knit community feeling and low crime, you can have the maddening crowds and drug problems.

SLC
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When did I ever argue the merits of your community over mine? Be able to take some criticism about your tight-knit community, it's good for you.
 
Yup, I was really happy.


What is also impressive is that the Lakers didn't need a game seven against the Jazz, and the Celtics needed game sevens against both the Hawks and Cavs (which they might lose).
 
I'll admit that Detroit played with intensity last night, but damn they were getting away with fouls on everybody, every time they touched the ball. It's like the refs realized there would be too many fouls to call if they actually called them the way they normally do. Really irritating basketball to watch.
 
Lakers dodged a bullet in Game 4. That last shot easily could have been called a foul, but it's the kind of play that doesn't get called often in the playoffs or at the end of a game, when the refs don't want to decide a game that way. Kudos to Popovich, Duncan, et al. for taking the high road and not blaming the refs. For all the complaining they do on the court, they don't make excuses off it.

In truth, that no-call balanced out the other one from two plays earlier, the one that the Lakers got back after Fisher's shot bounced off Horry's leg and out of bounce. Since the ball grazed the rim, they should have a new shot clock with 6 seconds left instead of Kobe having to chuck one up with two on the shot clock. The Lakers would have had possession, the Spurs would have had to foul, and it's much less likely that San Antonio would have been trying for a winning shot on the last play. You hate seeing it come down to the refs at the end though.

As a Laker fan, I hope they wrap up the series at home on Thursday. The Spurs are not a team you want to give second chances to.
 
aloofman said:
Lakers dodged a bullet in Game 4. That last shot easily could have been called a foul, but it's the kind of play that doesn't get called often in the playoffs or at the end of a game, when the refs don't want to decide a game that way. Kudos to Popovich, Duncan, et al. for taking the high road and not blaming the refs. For all the complaining they do on the court, they don't make excuses off it.

In truth, that no-call balanced out the other one from two plays earlier, the one that the Lakers got back after Fisher's shot bounced off Horry's leg and out of bounce. Since the ball grazed the rim, they should have a new shot clock with 6 seconds left instead of Kobe having to chuck one up with two on the shot clock. The Lakers would have had possession, the Spurs would have had to foul, and it's much less likely that San Antonio would have been trying for a winning shot on the last play. You hate seeing it come down to the refs at the end though.

As a Laker fan, I hope they wrap up the series at home on Thursday. The Spurs are not a team you want to give second chances to.
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While a no-call is the best explanation of what happened, I saw this as the player as not shooting and hit the defender on his own, therefore nullifying a foul. If he had begun shooting the ball when the defender jumped and drew contact he would have gotten the call but not when he still had the ball on the floor.

Good call in my opinion.
 
Warbrain said:
While a no-call is the best explanation of what happened, I saw this as the player as not shooting and hit the defender on his own, therefore nullifying a foul. If he had begun shooting the ball when the defender jumped and drew contact he would have gotten the call but not when he still had the ball on the floor.

Good call in my opinion.
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Ernie, Kenny, Barkley, and Reggie went over it ad nauseum after the game on TNT. Barry didn't sell it. If he had kept shooting it and then fallen to the floor, he gets the call. By pushing on and resetting for another shot, he made it look like he wasn't fouled at all. Fisher clearly came down on his shoulder, but Barry made it clear he was able to get a shot off anyway. The refs don't want to call a foul on a game-deciding shot if they can avoid it. (Remember Jordan pushing Bryon Russell to the ground in 1998?) But if they had in this case, it would have been defensible.
 
I'm very interested to see who will come out of the East now. Obviously the Lakers have a playoff history with both teams. It is impossible for me to root for the Celtics, but I would like to see them in the Finals. I always felt like the one thing missing from the threepeat years was that none of the finals triumphs were against Boston. And even if it's Detroit, Kobe and Phil will want revenge for 2004.
 
aloofman said:
I'm very interested to see who will come out of the East now. Obviously the Lakers have a playoff history with both teams. It is impossible for me to root for the Celtics, but I would like to see them in the Finals. I always felt like the one thing missing from the threepeat years was that none of the finals triumphs were against Boston. And even if it's Detroit, Kobe and Phil will want revenge for 2004.
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imo, i think detroit is the better team, but i want to see boston in the finals just for nostalgia.

as long as the lakers win everything, i guess i really don't care either way.
 
joekix said:
imo, i think detroit is the better team, but i want to see boston in the finals just for nostalgia.
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I'm not sure what would have made you think that.

Although the celtics will lose tonight, because when the NBA wants a 7 game series, the NBA gets a 7 game series.
 
decksnap said:
I'm not sure what would have made you think that.
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Hmmm, let's see. Because besides having Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, AND Kevin Garnett, you guys went to seven games against the freaking Hawks (who would have gotten swept by the Denver Nuggets) and seven games against the Cavaliers. You also almost gave up a 17 point lead in the fourth quarter...at home.

Although the celtics will lose tonight, because when the NBA wants a 7 game series, the NBA gets a 7 game series.
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If the Celtics lose, it's not because of some conspiracy theory.

EDIT: Great article.
 
Badandy said:
Hmmm, let's see. Because besides having Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, AND Kevin Garnett, you guys went to seven games against the freaking Hawks (who would have gotten swept by the Denver Nuggets) and seven games against the Cavaliers. You also almost gave up a 17 point lead in the fourth quarter...at home.
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eh? Talking about almost blowing a lead in one game doesn't really tell you anything about a team. They also blew out Detroit in Detroit.

They were the best team in the league this season. We'll be discussing it more when they are in the finals. :D
 
NBA officials are so full of ****. They couldn't be more inconsistent.

That offensive foul called on Pierce might have been the worst call I've ever seen.
 
Badandy said:
That's where you're wrong.
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Celtics won that game. Detroit lost. So the Celtics are the worse team? :rolleyes: Start over with a better argument.

If you just saw that call on Pierce (and that entire 3rd quarter) you'd know what I was talking about. That's a 4 point swing.
 
decksnap said:
Celtics won that game. Detroit lost. So the Celtics are the worse team? :rolleyes: Start over with a better argument.
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No, sorry, but if you don't think that giving up a 17 point lead...in the fourth quarter...at home is NOT a bad thing that is indicative of something fundamentally wrong with your team's mentality heading into the Finals, you must not follow basketball that closely. I don't hate the Celtics, they have a bunch of plays I like, but please read this column:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/080530


(he's a boston fan)
 
Badandy said:
No, sorry, but if you don't think that giving up a 17 point lead...in the fourth quarter...at home is NOT a bad thing that is indicative of something fundamentally wrong with your team's mentality heading into the Finals, you must not follow basketball that closely. I don't hate the Celtics, they have a bunch of plays I like, but please read this column:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/080530


(he's a boston fan)
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I don't need to read it thanks. Celtics just won.
 
WOO, FINALS BABY

Celtics vs Lakers starts Thursday at the Garden :D

BEAT LA

Badandy said:
No, sorry, but if you don't think that giving up a 17 point lead...in the fourth quarter
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How about coming back from a 10 point deficit with less than 10 minutes to go in the 4th quarter on the road in Detroit?
 
decksnap said:
I don't need to read it thanks. Celtics just won.
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That article was written under the assumption that the Celtics would win. No need for snide remarks.

zioxide said:
How about coming back from a 10 point deficit with less than 10 minutes to go in the 4th quarter on the road in Detroit?
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That was a good win.

I don't understand why I'm being met with such hostility. You guys are trying to minimize something which might be indicative of a really bad character/temperment flaw of the Celtics (the fact that they almost lost a game after giving up a 17 point 4th quarter lead). They went to game 7's against the HAWKS and the cavs. The playoffs, thus far, have been a severe disappointment for the Celtics. That's not to say they'll be swept, but you guys are *not* riding high, or at least not riding as high as you should be after your regular season record and the players you have.

The Lakers vs. Celtics are also effectively tied for the regular season...at 0-0. They played the Lakers without Pau Gasol.
 
While I can agree that the fourth quarter against the Pistons in Game 5 was ugly,I think the key word is almost blowing a 17 point lead..Had they lost that game,and had to finish out the Pistons in a Game 7,I think their mindset would be worse.If their was any hangover from Game 5,the Celtics wouldn't have been able to put together a fourth quarter like they did last night..That was a hell of a finish for the Celtics,including overcoming a ten point fourth quarter deficit...I think the Spurs blowing that big lead,and losing Game 1,was more damaging IMO.Had they split the first two in LA,who knows how it could have changed it… I’m just glad that I don’t have to hear or see that Detroit PA announcer anymore..Since when did Flava Flav become a PA announcer?
My concerns about the Celtics heading into the Finals:
Which Celtic’s team shows up?Jekyl or Hyde?
Can Ray Allen keep the hot hand?He’s heating up at the right time.Can he carry it over?
Can the Celtics win at least one game in LA?
Will Rondo be more aggressive and take it to the basket instead of pinching and panicing when he sees bodies in the lane?
And yes,I agree..The Lakers are a different team with Gasol. I still can’t believe what they got him for :eek:
I’m looking forward to a good series.I’d love some redemption for 87. Who on the current Lakers can rock the Rambis glasses? And yes,I realize that there is a whole generation of Celtics/Lakers fans that weren’t even born then..
 
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