2007-08 NBA season discussion

[twoodcc]

I don't remember shaq winning with penny... the year he won with the heat, wade got mvp.

i remember during crunch time, the ball always seemed to be in kobe's hand because shaq couldn't hit free throws. they both needed each other. don't let your hatred for kobe take away what he did for the lakers too. shaq needed kobe as much as kobe needed shaq.

it's like you're a stereotypical kobe hater. you probably love steve nash. i don't get it. when kobe dropped 81, they were down by 18 in the third quarter. his teammates were shooting a crappy fg percentage, while he was hot. aren't you suppose to ride the hot hand? they also won. love him or hate him, he is that dude.

haha, this is good. i wasn't going to get into the kobe/shaq stuff, and stay with just defending Iverson, but you leave me no choice.

first off, the rules have changed since the 3 rings with LA. they call the game differently for shaq now. back then, if he got the ball down low, there was nothing you could do. i remember Mutumbo got the defensive player of the year when the 76ers met them in the finals (2001 i believe), and i remember shaq elbowing him in the face, and he gets the points and the foul. today, he wouldn't get that call.

but do you remember when LA was up 3-1 on the suns? without amare, LA was about to put the suns away, and the suns make a run in the 3rd quarter, and kobe basically quits the game. didn't score another point.

i'm not a kobe hater. everyone got mad at randy moss for walking away with 2 seconds on the clock, but this guy basically quit with 12 minutes.

 

[joekix]

haha, this is good. i wasn't going to get into the kobe/shaq stuff, and stay with just defending Iverson, but you leave me no choice.

first off, the rules have changed since the 3 rings with LA. they call the game differently for shaq now. back then, if he got the ball down low, there was nothing you could do. i remember Mutumbo got the defensive player of the year when the 76ers met them in the finals (2001 i believe), and i remember shaq elbowing him in the face, and he gets the points and the foul. today, he wouldn't get that call.

but do you remember when LA was up 3-1 on the suns? without amare, LA was about to put the suns away, and the suns make a run in the 3rd quarter, and kobe basically quits the game. didn't score another point.

i'm not a kobe hater. everyone got mad at randy moss for walking away with 2 seconds on the clock, but this guy basically quit with 12 minutes.

yeah, i remember that. i am a kobe fan. however, i still blame him for losing the finals against the pistons in 04. he put up so many bad shots that game, totally ignoring shaq in the post. i think he really wanted to be mvp of that series, but just couldn't buy a bucket.

the whole thing about quitting in that phoenix series has some validity, but phil wanted the whole team involved, but his teammates didn't show up. the media and the coaching staff said kobe was a ball hog, so what does he try to do... he tries getting his teammates going, but they sucked that game.

bottom line is, phoenix was a better team than the lakers that year. you look at it like they lost game 7, and i look at it as, i can't believe they went 7 games with a number 2 seed with the supposed MVP.

kwame, smush parker, puke walton (luke playing well now, not then) started for that team. i think the lakers did pretty well that year. 13 seconds and a rebound away from advancing. to this day, i have a hatred for tim thomas, lol. in your opinion, you might think he quit in game 7, but without him, there wouldn't be a game 7. you gotta admit, game 4 was awesome, but they stole that game to up 3-1.

 

[GfPQqmcRKUvP]

...i can't believe they went 7 games with a number 2 seed with the supposed MVP.

Yeah, because scoring 10 points less and getting 7 more assists per game while having one of the NBA's better records makes you a complete joke and undeserving of the MVP...

 

[joekix]

Yeah, because scoring 10 points less and getting 7 more assists per game while having one of the NBA's better records makes you a complete joke and undeserving of the MVP...

i think john stockton put the same numbers up pretty much his whole career. no mvps for him. nash is a good player, but mvp? this guy was a mvp twice, but has yet to even play in a finals. most overrated mvp ever.

imo, he was undeserving. so what? i just feel a mvp should at least play in the finals. this guy was mediocre in dallas, and has had 4 year good years with the suns now. he played with a future mvp in dallas, and 2 all-stars in phoenix and what has he actually done. NOTHING! none of the teams he has been on have won anything. he makes his teammates real good in the reg. season. i thought it was hilarious that dallas got to the finals without him. offensively, he's good, but defensively, he's a liability. i think that's what it comes down to. paul lit him up during the reg. season, and parker tore him up in the playoffs. that's why they had diaw on him.

there a lot of players that had great careers, and were mvps without winning a championship. barkley, iverson, malone, at least got to the finals and had a chance to win. nash has never been to the finals. those guys were mvps and got their teams to the finals.

what has nash actually accomplished in his career? pretty much 2 individual awards, and nothing for his team.

i'm a phoenix sun hater (i like shaq 'cause he was laker, & amare 'cause he's a monster), and i love the fact they're out. it's funny.

anyways, kobe averaged 16 points more and 6 assist less. kobe played with kwame and made him look decent. have you seen him in memphis? kobe does make his teammates better. look what happened with smush and kwame after they left.

nash is good. the phoenix suns were fun to watch. they're eye candy. no substance. lakers might have not won anything the last 4 years, but neither have the suns. sun fans have loved beating the lakers the last 2 years, but it really hasn't mattered because they haven't won anything either. the lakers have a real shot this year. the suns went out in flames in five. lol


go lakers!!!

 

[GfPQqmcRKUvP]

lakers might have not won anything the last 4 years, but neither have the suns.

They have won two series over the Lakers, that is more than the Lakers.

Just wait next year, I think they might be really good.

And watch out for my Heat. Dwyane Wade, Ricky Davis, Shawn Marion, Michael Beasley. That's scary good.

 

[GfPQqmcRKUvP]

barkley, iverson, malone, at least got to the finals and had a chance to win. nash has never been to the finals. those guys were mvps and got their teams to the finals.

Guess why Iverson didn't win. Shaq averaged 28 and 13 during the season in 2001. Unstoppable

what has nash actually accomplished in his career? pretty much 2 individual awards, and nothing for his team.

The resurgence of a whole new type of quick shooting, high scoring, exciting basketball.

i'm a phoenix sun hater

Then speak no more.

 

[joekix]

They have won two series over the Lakers, that is more than the Lakers.

Just wait next year, I think they might be really good.

And watch out for my Heat. Dwyane Wade, Ricky Davis, Shawn Marion, Michael Beasley. That's scary good.

i mean championships. i think that's what teams play for, right? basically, you like a flashy basketball team that can't win in the playoffs. whatever floats your boat. what is the argument. they aren't that good. they don't win when it counts. as a laker fan, i can admit they weren't very good the last 3 years.

steve nash and phoenix are overrated or underachievers or whatever. you didn't win with shawn marion (he has the funniest looking jump shot), nor with shaq. shaq actually played pretty well. he still can't gaurd the pick 'n roll, but he never could.

so winning a couple playoff series is good enough for you. maybe that's how the suns think, and that why they have never won a championship.

yay, we beat the lakers. let's go lose to the spurs now!

the lakers were mediocre these past few years and no one expected anything from them. the suns were contenders, and accomplished nothing. now your team is in disarray, while the lakers and the 2008 mvp are still contending.

suns are out. what's the argument? as a sun fan, i would want them to win championships. i guess my best argument for them is beating the lakers 2 years in a row. now i have to watch them contend for a championship.

nba
where "beating the lakers in the playoffs 2 years in a row, but not going any further, is used as an argument" happens

 

[joekix]

Guess why Iverson didn't win. Shaq averaged 28 and 13 during the season in 2001. Unstoppable

that wasn't my point. iverson got his team to the finals. nash, the 2-time mvp, has never led his team to a finals, even though they are "really, really" good. i think nash is the only mvp never to get to the finals. i might be wrong, but i think in the last 20 years, it's true.

The resurgence of a whole new type of quick shooting, high scoring, exciting basketball.

and just like golden state, while it's fun to watch, it doesn't win championships or in some cases, the first round or even get you into the playoffs

Then speak no more.

why, because i'm not a fan of losers, er... i mean, the suns

 

[GfPQqmcRKUvP]

i mean championships. i think that's what teams play for, right? basically, you like a flashy basketball team that can't win in the playoffs.

I like them. They're not my team, but they're fun to watch. That's what I care about. Basketball is about enjoyment. And since they aren't "my team", I watch them because it's awesome to see them play. The only reason I would want them to win this year is because of Shaq. Other than that, I have no reason to want them to do better than any other team.

they aren't that good. they don't win when it counts. as a laker fan, i can admit they weren't very good the last 3 years.

Well at least the Suns were fun to watch in the last three years.

steve nash and phoenix are overrated or underachievers or whatever.

Underachievers.

you didn't win with shawn marion (he has the funniest looking jump shot), nor with shaq. shaq actually played pretty well. he still can't gaurd the pick 'n roll, but he never could.

so winning a couple playoff series is good enough for you. maybe that's how the suns think, and that why they have never won a championship.

yay, we beat the lakers. let's go lose to the spurs now!

the lakers were mediocre these past few years and no one expected anything from them. the suns were contenders, and accomplished nothing. now your team is in disarray, while the lakers and the 2008 mvp are still contending.

Not. My. Team.

As a side-note: I like when Raja Bell clotheslined Kobe. Kobe throwing that elbow at Raja's jaw the play before that was uncalled for, and I like that he did something in retaliation and didn't just let it slide.


I think the Lakers will win the championship next year personally, and I wouldn't be mad if they did. I'm not a Laker hater, I've been a Laker fan my whole life until Shaq left. I like them now, just not obsessed with them. Generally, I'm not a huge fan of egotistical, arrogant, conceited ___holes. Unfortunately, for me, that person is also one of the most, if not the most, skilled players in the world. Would I hate it if the Lakers won? No, but I wouldn't be jumping for joy that a person like Kobe, who is so willing to throw his teammates under a bus, will end up victorious.

 

[zioxide]

Celtics win Game Seven in a massive blowout.. 99-65

 

[GfPQqmcRKUvP]

It might not matter zioxide. The way the Lakers are playing right now, I'm doubting any team in the league can beat them.

 

[decksnap]

It might not matter zioxide. The way the Lakers are playing right now, I'm doubting any team in the league can beat them.

That would be sweet to have a Lakers/Celtics final. Any team could beat the Celtics on any given day, but I don't think there is a better team out there right now.

 

[GfPQqmcRKUvP]

They shut LeBron down!

Wow.


OK, now bets for LeBron's stats in the next game. Here's how this will work: You guess points, assists, rebounds. We compare his stats to our bets and the person with the lowest deviation from them (in single units) wins.

35 Points
8 Assists
9 Rebounds

 

[decksnap]

They shut LeBron down!

Wow.


OK, now bets for LeBron's stats in the next game. Here's how this will work: You guess points, assists, rebounds. We compare his stats to our bets and the person with the lowest deviation from them (in single units) wins.

35 Points
8 Assists
9 Rebounds

Sorry, shut down again.
21 pts, 6 for 24
6 assists
5 rebounds
0-4 three pointers
7 turnovers

He'll probably do better in Cleveland.

 

[fotografica]

He'll probably do better in Cleveland.

No doubt..He's due for a breakout game..Not to mention I would think he'll be getting his share of calls there..Just a hunch...

 

[SLC Flyfishing]

It might not matter zioxide. The way the Lakers are playing right now, I'm doubting any team in the league can beat them.

Cept for the Jazz of course

I'm thinking they may just knock them from the playoffs this week!

SLC

 

[GfPQqmcRKUvP]

Need I remind you that your team let a 13 point lead slip away with 2 minutes to go when Kobe was so injured he could barely walk?

You guys play well at home, you always do, and you always have, but I think L.A. is the superior team.

 

[SLC Flyfishing]

Naah!

Whenever Phil Jackson loses a game in the playoffs, it is always because of the refs. He was that way at Chicago also.

Doesn't matter that Laker reserves were outscored by Jazz reserves 39 to 16!
Doesn't matter that the Lakers missed way too many free throws in Sunday's game!
Doesn't matter that Jackson left Kobe in the game during the 4th qtr and o.t. - only to shoot 3 for 14 and freeze Fisher from getting the ball!
Doesn't matter that in the first three games, his Lakers shot 126 free throws vs 74 for the Jazz!

When the mighty Phil Jackson loses, it is only because of the refs!

I think the Lakers aren't as good as many make them out to be, without Kobe and his help in getting fouled every time he touches the ball what else do the Lakers have? The Jazz time is coming; they've got what it takes to win the league and that's for sure. We're way more worried about having to face the Spurs in the W.C. finals than we've ever been about the Lakers.

SLC

 

[decksnap]

We're way more worried about having to face the Spurs in the W.C. finals than we've ever been about the Lakers.

SLC

Are you more worried about the Spurs or the Celtics?

 

[SLC Flyfishing]

Are you more worried about the Spurs or the Celtics?

Spurs!

Celtics are overrated and can't win on the road. All the Jazz would need to do is sneak one in Boston and it'd be over. And the Celtics haven't gotten past Cleveland yet either. Then they'll have to beat the Pistons.

But the Spurs, Utah hasn't won in San Antonio since 1998 I believe.

SLC

 

[GfPQqmcRKUvP]

Naah!

Whenever Phil Jackson loses a game in the playoffs, it is always because of the refs. He was that way at Chicago also.

Of course there were always those two straight years where MJ dismantled your team in the Finals...

So whether or not he blames stuff on the refs, your guys' record isn't very good against him.

We're way more worried about having to face the Spurs in the W.C. finals than we've ever been about the Lakers.

Want to get worried about the Lakers yet? I mean, Kobe took 10 shots in the entire game and the Lakers won. He was super injured on his second shot attempt in the last game in SLC, and it looks like he's only getting healthier. If you've been reading this thread you know I'm no Kobe fanatic, but he's really elevated his game and passing.


BTW, I lost a LOT of respect for Utah fans when they boo Derrick Fisher. I mean a lot.

 

[SLC Flyfishing]

BTW, I lost a LOT of respect for Utah fans when they boo Derrick Fisher. I mean a lot.

Well there's a lot more to that story than you probably know. We've a first rate cancer center in Salt Lake, as well as one of the finest children's hospitals in the country. So when he stated that he was asking for a move so he could seek better care for his daughter, we felt for him but wondered why he felt he could do so much better in LA. He took a friggin 7 million paycut to go there, plus he was taking his daughter to NYC for most of her treatments anyway. Thing is, we all feel that he wasn't completely honest in his reasons for leaving.

And besides, how much respect could you possibly have had for us Jazz fans anyway? I want to know because we're all so worried about having lost your respect badandy!

SLC

 

[macwall]

The Celtics are doing fine; they're just going for an unorthodox record. They're trying to be the first team to win a title while going 0-12 on the road!

 

[GfPQqmcRKUvP]

Well there's a lot more to that story than you probably know. We've a first rate cancer center in Salt Lake, as well as one of the finest children's hospitals in the country.

And do you know for a fact that the hospital actually performs the very rare and experimental surgery that Fisher's daughter needed? We're not doctors, and we shouldn't judge someone negatively about a medical decision when none of us have all the facts.

He took a friggin 7 million paycut to go there, plus he was taking his daughter to NYC for most of her treatments anyway.

He won 3 championships with the Lakers. He is a Laker. Then he goes to the Jazz and puts on a heroic effort in the playoffs and you boo him? He conducts himself with such class, faith, and determination.

And besides, how much respect could you possibly have had for us Jazz fans anyway?

Pretty much none. What was your most recent championship?

I want to know because we're all so worried about having lost your respect badandy!

SLC

You can sound like a sanctimonious ass all you want, but it's not my loss of respect that should make you worried. It's your blind booing of someone who is such a great person, who is going through a hard time in his life and STILL performed for you guys in the clutch that you should be worried about. My loss of a respect is just a manifestation of the wrong you are doing not only Derek Fisher, but your city.

 

[SLC Flyfishing]

And do you know for a fact that the hospital actually performs the very rare and experimental surgery that Fisher's daughter needed? We're not doctors, and we shouldn't judge someone negatively about a medical decision when none of us have all the facts.

Yes, I am a premedical student, and I work in said medical center which contains the cancer and chidren's hospitals. I forgot to add that we have the largest and best eye hospital west of the mississippi river in the Moran Eye center, it was cancer of the eye that his daughter was dealing with. We get people coming in from Los Angeles all the time to get treatment here. I do know though that all the treatment his daughter could have ever needed is available right here on a single medical campus in Salt Lake City.

He won 3 championships with the Lakers. He is a Laker. Then he goes to the Jazz and puts on a heroic effort in the playoffs and you boo him? He conducts himself with such class, faith, and determination.

I'm not saying that it was the best thing to do, I'm not one of those who did it, I only found out about it when this series started. But I do know the reason people are feeling just a little betrayed without him. It's OK though, we've replaced him with what most of us feel is a better (and certainly much younger) player in Kyle Korver!

Pretty much none. What was your most recent championship?

My point exactly! I should care about losing your respect, even after you freely admit that there never really was any in the first place?

You can sound like a sanctimonious ass all you want, but it's not my loss of respect that should make you worried. It's your blind booing of someone who is such a great person, who is going through a hard time in his life and STILL performed for you guys in the clutch that you should be worried about. My loss of a respect is just a manifestation of the wrong you are doing not only Derek Fisher, but your city.

You've really got me feeling bad now buddy, who are you anyway and why should I care about what you feel about me, I really do struggle with myself when anonymous internet douche bags try and insult me?

We in Salt Lake know that most out of staters think our city is backwards and strange. We know you can't stand the people who live here, we know you think that Salt Lake City has nothing to offer. But ya know what, I think I speak for everyone when I say that we don't mind it that way, we have enough cretins moving here on a daily basis, a few who have no respect for us when they don't even know us (such as yourself badandy) will only help us not spoil our city, and keep it from being overrun by idiots just like every where else. Keep the hate flowing, I'll take a tight knit community feeling and low crime, you can have the maddening crowds and drug problems.

SLC