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2007 Formula One Thread
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Could be...
I've just seen on BBC News that they're still deliberating, but that the rumour in the paddock at Spa is that McLaren are in trouble.
I suspect that's where Autosport probably got their source from.
Autosport says that the WMSC have yet to decide on the future of McLaren.
And now McLaren have named the spy inside Renault. I think McLaren know they are going down and are just trying to take everyone with them!
Oh dear oh dear Ron, what have you done...
And now McLaren have named the spy inside Renault. I think McLaren know they are going down and are just trying to take everyone with them!
Oh dear oh dear Ron, what have you done...
I will be absolutely astounded if McLaren are indeed banned - and I imagine Bernie would be furious.
It will certainly create one heck of a shuffle though - unless of course McLaren simply 'become' Prodrive.
It will certainly create one heck of a shuffle though - unless of course McLaren simply 'become' Prodrive.
Wow. If they have done something wrong, then I hope they do get heavily punished. If not, then we need to get on with the championship.
I'm not one for a quick slap of the wrist, it needs to be done properly.
And yeah, I can't get Autosport to load either.
You had me there for a minute...
That does bring up a question that I've had for a while. IF McLaren were to be banned, would they still participate in the races? I know that might be a dumb question, but what would happen to their sponsorship contracts and such? I cannot see the team really putting forth top notch effort if there did race.
I guess the question is, what does it mean to be banned?
This is the big question.
I would expect that if they where banned they would be allowed to race under appeal. I am not sure of any precedence in this scenario. I can't remember how long before the Spanish GP Honda where banned.
It is difficult to say, but I expect if they are banned then it would mean a total ban. The sponsors would have to pay a certain amount, most contracts will have a clause which covers this scenario.
This may also have big ramifications for the Prodrive situation. I think the idea was that they ran this years McLaren, which now won't happen. Then if they take up the 2008 McLaren then you have to ask how can they be sure that the car contains no carry-over parts from 2007, hence the ban for 2008 aswell.
This could all get very complex...
I would expect that if they where banned they would be allowed to race under appeal. I am not sure of any precedence in this scenario. I can't remember how long before the Spanish GP Honda where banned.
It is difficult to say, but I expect if they are banned then it would mean a total ban. The sponsors would have to pay a certain amount, most contracts will have a clause which covers this scenario.
This may also have big ramifications for the Prodrive situation. I think the idea was that they ran this years McLaren, which now won't happen. Then if they take up the 2008 McLaren then you have to ask how can they be sure that the car contains no carry-over parts from 2007, hence the ban for 2008 aswell.
This could all get very complex...
Thankfully!
I'll be willing to bet Alonso won't be in a McLaren car next year now though - his 'get out' clause comes into effect now.
I'll be willing to bet Alonso won't be in a McLaren car next year now though - his 'get out' clause comes into effect now.
Holy ****. Looks like an automatic Ferrari constructors championship then.
This just sucks for F1 as a whole - why should I bother to watch any more races this season? It looks like Alonso and Hamilton still have a good chance at the title, which isn't exactly fair considering their car is illegal.
I wonder if this will be enough to kill McLaren as a competitive force for the foreseeable future?
This just sucks for F1 as a whole - why should I bother to watch any more races this season? It looks like Alonso and Hamilton still have a good chance at the title, which isn't exactly fair considering their car is illegal.
I wonder if this will be enough to kill McLaren as a competitive force for the foreseeable future?
No. Not really.
One could conclude that if McLaren have unfairly benefitted (enough to warrant being stripped of all their points) because of the use of confidential data from another team, then their drivers too unfairly benefitted.
Doubt it. They're still completely aware of confidential Ferrari data and procedures, and whilst they have to present their 2008 car for scrutineering before the start of the next season, I far as I understand it the use of Ferrari IP on the McLaren car was never serious suggested, it was in essence operational procedures etc only.
Ron Dennis is to hold a press conference at 19:15 BST (GMT+1).
This is crazy! How can they give McLaren what amounts to a slap-on the wrist. Understanding how a car and team operates is a huge issue in terms of performance. Last year, and to a certain extent the year before, Renault didn't have the fastest car but they understood how it worked and used that to their advantage.
If Honda (BAR) got a two race ban for 'interpreting' the rules in the wrong way then this is totally an unjust punishment.
As for long term effect I think it will have some ramifications for McLaren.
Only the top 10 get travel expenses for the following season so now they wont get any money to cover those expenses so they will have to cut back a certain amount on the development of next years car, so it could limit them a bit.
If Honda (BAR) got a two race ban for 'interpreting' the rules in the wrong way then this is totally an unjust punishment.
As for long term effect I think it will have some ramifications for McLaren.
Only the top 10 get travel expenses for the following season so now they wont get any money to cover those expenses so they will have to cut back a certain amount on the development of next years car, so it could limit them a bit.
No, I am not! They have saved face massively. They won't be affected too badly in terms of on track performance.
Even if you banned them for one race and no other punishment it would have had far greater ramifications for the team. They are VERY lucky.