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2007 Formula One Thread
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More so than a $100m fine?
You cannot be serious. Even if Ferrari finished 1/2 in a race where McLaren were banned, Hamilton and Alonso would still be holding the top two positions in the Drivers championship.
The $100m represents 25% of their entire annual budget. Its a devastating blow.
$100 million that's got to be the biggest fine in the history of sport
who's in charge of the FIA ?
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I am sure Mercedes will bank roll most of that.
Also I imagine it will be a 50 million over 12 months, with another 50 if you violate the rules further. Also you can't see them shutting the doors until Ron has got his cheque book out and signed a cheque for $100 million!
Although money is important in Formula One, there is a saying, you are only as good as your last race. Hmmm let me see a 1-2 in Monza, they are fine! It won't have deterred too many of the sponsors so financially they may struggle with development of next years car, but on the whole they should be OK. And even if they are struggling for ideas they could just give Nigel Stepney a ring......
Plus all constructors points for this year AND next year have been taken away.
To say this was a slap on the wrist is the most ridiculous thing ive ever heard.
So the result is that McLaren drivers will probably be in 2 of the top three spots in the drivers' championship, but Ferrari will win the constructors championship. But...
It does seem like a light punishment considering that McLaren now know a lot about how Ferrari works - something that could benefit them for several years to come unless Ferrari radically alter their procedures.
At any rate the season is spoiled, and maybe next season too.
It does seem like a light punishment considering that McLaren now know a lot about how Ferrari works - something that could benefit them for several years to come unless Ferrari radically alter their procedures.
At any rate the season is spoiled, and maybe next season too.
How is it not a slap on the wrist?
Be all and end all is they have benefited (Not just the team, the drivers as well) from information they should not have had. If a footballer benefits from drugs they should not have had, they are banned. Simple. As. That.
As I understand it, McLaren won't be stripped of constructors points next year.
It's a slap on the wrist when you consider that they should've been kicked out of not only this season, but also the next one too.
What will happen to the constructors trophies that McLaren have won so far this season? I think that is the real question here.... 
Although this is a substantial monetary judgment, it does not kill Lewis's rookie season off. I'm not sure how I feel about that. I'm happy for him, of course. But did he benefit from this espionage to have such a stellar season? Absolutely. So why let him keep all the points and be allowed to continue to earn more? Hmmm.
Although this is a substantial monetary judgment, it does not kill Lewis's rookie season off. I'm not sure how I feel about that. I'm happy for him, of course. But did he benefit from this espionage to have such a stellar season? Absolutely. So why let him keep all the points and be allowed to continue to earn more? Hmmm.
It seems to me that Hamilton shouldn't be penalized for driving an illegal car, but he shouldn't be allowed to win over teams who didn't cheat.
If Fred knowingly posessed and used Ferrari data, he should be excluded.
If Fred knowingly posessed and used Ferrari data, he should be excluded.
Duh, didn't see the other two pages of posts.
If Alonso knew about this, he definitely should be stripped of his points.
Hmm:
That's pretty bunk. They directly benefitted from this, and should not have been immune from losing their points (banning the drivers probably would have been excessive.)
If Alonso knew about this, he definitely should be stripped of his points.
Hmm:
That's pretty bunk. They directly benefitted from this, and should not have been immune from losing their points (banning the drivers probably would have been excessive.)
I don't see why Alonso or De la Rosa would not be penalized, or indeed why any McLaren employee directly involved should escape individual punishment. The drivers have the most to gain though, so they should be called to account for essentially manipulating the results.
So now what? Where do we go from here?
So now what? Where do we go from here?
What sort of punishment could PDR be subject to anyway? The only thing I could see is a fine, because he doesn't have any points to take away...
Also, does this judgement mean that if a McLaren finishes first, the first non-McLaren gets the constructor's points? Or are they just not awarded?
My guess is that the McLarens are simply ignored when it comes to scoring Constructors points, i.e. if A McLaren finished 1st and 3rd and a Ferrari 2nd and 4th, the Ferraris would be awarded Constructors points for finishing 1st and 2nd, respectively.
I'm not sure how to punish Pedro de la Rosa, but really it's more a question of punishing Fred, since he is in the running for the drivers' championship.
And no offense to Hamilton, but his victories are hardly fairly won, so his wins come with an asterisk too.
I'm not sure how to punish Pedro de la Rosa, but really it's more a question of punishing Fred, since he is in the running for the drivers' championship.
And no offense to Hamilton, but his victories are hardly fairly won, so his wins come with an asterisk too.
That's what I figured
This will certainly be the most controversial driver's championship since at least '94, and at least that was (mostly) on the track.
Anyways, Villeneuve's first test in the C.O.T..
I bet that won't last long.
Yes, it did say in the statement that no other teams current totals would be changed, but I was wondering about this weekend and beyond.
Wow. I think it's reasonably fair. The sport is about entertainment. Eliminating a top team from the races would harm the sport more than letting the team get away with it, in my opinion. This seems like a good enough middle ground in what would undoubtedly have been an extremely difficult decision.
On the other hand, does anyone even care about the constructor's championship? It's all about the drivers, in my opinion.
On the other hand, does anyone even care about the constructor's championship? It's all about the drivers, in my opinion.
F1 just gets worse and worse.
McLaren still insist the document was at Coughlins house and they never used it. Team employee's move roles all the time and take information with them. I worked for Renault F1 18 months ago in the IT department and was responsible at the test/races for IT setup etc. I have since left but if I went to another team what am I supposed to do, get amnesia????
The whole thing is a farce. Ferrari are just pi$$ed because they pee'd an employee off so much he left with there information.
How come Ferrari never got penalised for the barge boards / flexi wing / taking penalties after the race / blocking the track / team orders.
Because the F in F1 stands for Ferrari!
I'm so glad I no longer work in F1. It sucks now.
McLaren still insist the document was at Coughlins house and they never used it. Team employee's move roles all the time and take information with them. I worked for Renault F1 18 months ago in the IT department and was responsible at the test/races for IT setup etc. I have since left but if I went to another team what am I supposed to do, get amnesia????
The whole thing is a farce. Ferrari are just pi$$ed because they pee'd an employee off so much he left with there information.
How come Ferrari never got penalised for the barge boards / flexi wing / taking penalties after the race / blocking the track / team orders.
Because the F in F1 stands for Ferrari!
I'm so glad I no longer work in F1. It sucks now.
Eddie Jordan was talking on the radio this morning and he said that the rumour was that Ecclestone told Ron Dennis that if he (Dennis) stood down then all the problems would go away/be dropped by the FIA.
It looks like it really is a mini-class-war between Mosley and Dennis.
It looks like it really is a mini-class-war between Mosley and Dennis.