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2007 NFL Season

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MacNut said:
Doesn't a roughing the passer call get a higher penalty?
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According to the link roughing the passer is a 15 yarder and the offending playing can be ejected if the ref deems it flagrant. The site lists 15 yard penalties and then separately 15 yard penalties that could get a player ejected and there is a lot of overlap between the two.


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LethalWolfe said:
So in your opinion a team's momentum can only change in the 4rth quarter? Seriously? Momentum can go back and fourth at any time during a game depending on what's happening on the field. Hell, in the Giants/Cowboys game the Giants came out strong in the first quarter, then the Cowboys scored 14 unanswered points in the 2nd to get on a roll, but the Giants scoring drive gave them the momentum going into half-time. Just because there is a game changing event doesn't mean there can't be another game changing event later.


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Yes,seriously..That's my whole entire point..The Chargers had numerous opportunities to change the game (and swing whatever "momentum" was supposedly lost as a result of that non call) after that non call,and yet they couldn't do it. A five point game at the half is anybody's game..If somebody's going to try and tell me that the reason the Chargers could only put up a FG in the entire second half is because of some "momentum shift" due to that non call,sorry not buying it..The Chargers overcame several obvious blown/missed calls against the Colts (with a hobbled Rivers and Volek) to win that game. That game had several momentum shifts in it,yet the Chargers overcame them and won...Four FG's isn't going to beat the Pats..Even when Brady has a bad game....
 
MacNut said:
I wonder why there hasn't been much talk in the media about the illegal leg kick Vrabel had on Rivers that caused the interception when it should have been a 15 yard penalty. How many other calls are they missing on purpose.
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LOL...yeah that's why the Pats won the game...had nothing to do with the 4 FG's, INT's and LT wussing out..
 
Dakotafan said:
LOL...yeah that's why the Pats won the game...had nothing to do with the 4 FG's, INT's and LT wussing out..
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Field goals and interceptions, sure, that never helps, however when it comes to LT, if the man is injured and can't play & contribute at his normal expected level, then he can't - I wouldn't call it "wussing out".
 
~Shard~ said:
Field goals and interceptions, sure, that never helps, however when it comes to LT, if the man is injured and can't play & contribute at his normal expected level, then he can't - I wouldn't call it "wussing out".
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Compared to Rivers playing with no ACL, it's wussing out.
 
Considering the average life of an NFL running back vs a quarterback, I don't think you can come down too hard on LT. Let Rivers (or Brady or E. Manning or B. Favre or any other qb, for that matter) take the pounding LT or another featured running back takes and then I think the comparison can be made.
 
Naimfan said:
Considering the average life of an NFL running back vs a quarterback, I don't think you can come down too hard on LT. Let Rivers (or Brady or E. Manning or B. Favre or any other qb, for that matter) take the pounding LT or another featured running back takes and then I think the comparison can be made.
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Exactly, it isn't quite the same. People need to remember that all of these guys are essentially mortgaging their futures for the game, but some to greater extents than others due to their positions.
 
the greatest dynasty in NFL history.

The Patriots have won 14 playoff games this decade, tying the 1970s Pittsburgh Steelers and Dallas Cowboys for the most playoff victories by any NFL team in either the 1930s, 1940s, 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, 1990s or 2000s.

Pittsburgh and Dallas both won 14 playoff contests between 1970 and 1979, while New England has won 14 postseason games from 2000 to the present.
 
Dakotafan said:
the greatest dynasty in NFL history.

The Patriots have won 14 playoff games this decade, tying the 1970s Pittsburgh Steelers and Dallas Cowboys for the most playoff victories by any NFL team in either the 1930s, 1940s, 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, 1990s or 2000s.

Pittsburgh and Dallas both won 14 playoff contests between 1970 and 1979, while New England has won 14 postseason games from 2000 to the present.
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Meaningless stats unless you include Superbowl appearances and or wins.
 
The point is a dynasty does not mean just playoff wins. You need to win championships.
 
Naimfan said:
Considering the average life of an NFL running back vs a quarterback, I don't think you can come down too hard on LT. Let Rivers (or Brady or E. Manning or B. Favre or any other qb, for that matter) take the pounding LT or another featured running back takes and then I think the comparison can be made.
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Though I strongly agree with you, Brett Farver (intentional) has taken a beating in his days. Obviously not more than a running back, but he's been hit hard many times, probably more than many quarterbacks.

So far NY vs. the New England area hasn't faired too well recently.

Celtics downed the Knicks (omg what a surprise).
Rangers went 0-1-1 in the home@home against the Bruins.
I hope the same thing doesn't happen to the Giants. However there's two things that separate them from the Rangers and Knicks other than the sport that they play.

1. Both the Knicks and Blue Shirts play at the Garden.
2. The NY Giants, are really the NJ Giants. And for what it's worth, the Devils have played pretty well against the Bruins this year haha.

Honestly, who here other than New England fans wants to see them win? Just curious.

QCassidy352 said:
...There's a certain amount of luck in most successful seasons, but by and large, teams make their own luck.
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Which isn't luck at all, it's earned success.
 
Dakotafan said:
the greatest dynasty in NFL history.
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I think that is at least debatable. I'd probably have to say the Steelers' four titles in six years represents the greatest NFL dynasty ever. And I don't mean to take anything away from the Patriots' accomplishments.
 
Naimfan said:
I think that is at least debatable. I'd probably have to say the Steelers' four titles in six years represents the greatest NFL dynasty ever. And I don't mean to take anything away from the Patriots' accomplishments.
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You know, you have to give the Pats credit for the so far undefeated season, but look at their division.

They played the 4-12 Jets twice, the 1-15 Dolphins twice, and the 7-9 Bills twice. I mean yeah don't get me wrong it takes a good team and a lot of hard work to have a perfect season, but don't tell me the fact that they play in the AFC East doesn't help.
 
thegman1234 said:
You know, you have to give the Pats credit for the so far undefeated season, but look at their division.

They played the 4-12 Jets twice, the 1-15 Dolphins twice, and the 7-9 Bills twice. I mean yeah don't get me wrong it takes a good team and a lot of hard work to have a perfect season, but don't tell me the fact that they play in the AFC East doesn't help.
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Sure. That's true, but the thing is that they have done it. They didn't slip up against a bad team--they did what a great team is supposed to do, which is win the game, whether by one point or 30.

I do think if they win the Super Bowl they have to be called the best single season team ever, better than the Dolphins because the Pats will have done it in the free agency era, against more teams, with a longer schedule, and so on. I rather hope they do win, if only to shut up the whining Dolphins, some of whom have exhibited an utter lack of class.

And I say all that as someone who grew up in NJ as a Giant fan.
 
So you would rather hear the classless Pats for another 25 years go on about their undefeated season then to hear the classless Dolphins.:rolleyes:
 
thegman1234 said:
You know, you have to give the Pats credit for the so far undefeated season, but look at their division.

They played the 4-12 Jets twice, the 1-15 Dolphins twice, and the 7-9 Bills twice. I mean yeah don't get me wrong it takes a good team and a lot of hard work to have a perfect season, but don't tell me the fact that they play in the AFC East doesn't help.
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How many playoff teams did they play?

Dallas
NYG
Indy
SD
Washington
Pittsburgh

They faced the best out there and beat them, each and every one. How many teams over .500? How many playoff teams? They beat the NFC #1 seed, the AFC #2 seed, They beat four division winners - one of them twice (San Diego) Two teams that went 13-3, I could go on and on.

Thank you.
 
MacNut said:
So you would rather hear the classless Pats for another 25 years go on about their undefeated season then to hear the classless Dolphins.:rolleyes:
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Actually, I don't the Pats themselves are classless--quite the contrary. Their fans, perhaps . . . ;)
 
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