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2007 NFL Season

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Naimfan said:
Sure. That's true, but the thing is that they have done it. They didn't slip up against a bad team--they did what a great team is supposed to do, which is win the game, whether by one point or 30.

I do think if they win the Super Bowl they have to be called the best single season team ever, better than the Dolphins because the Pats will have done it in the free agency era, against more teams, with a longer schedule, and so on. I rather hope they do win, if only to shut up the whining Dolphins, some of whom have exhibited an utter lack of class.

And I say all that as someone who grew up in NJ as a Giant fan.
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Exactly, which is why, even though I hate them so much, I have to give them credit.

Dakotafan said:
How many playoff teams did they play?

Dallas
NYG
Indy
SD
Washington
Pittsburgh

They faced the best out there and beat them, each and every one. How many teams over .500? How many playoff teams? They beat the NFC #1 seed, the AFC #2 seed, They beat four division winners - one of them twice (San Diego) Two teams that went 13-3, I could go on and on.

Thank you.
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So you're going to tell me that it doesn't help at all that they had 4 very very easy games and 2 pretty easy games? Come on, if you had a bad game against the Dolphins you still had a better shot an winning than they did. I didn't say it was the reason, I said it helps.
 
thegman1234 said:
So you're going to tell me that it doesn't help at all that they had 4 very very easy games and 2 pretty easy games? Come on, if you had a bad game against the Dolphins you still had a better shot an winning than they did. I didn't say it was the reason, I said it helps.
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Divisional games are never easy. It doesn't matter how bad the teams are. They know pretty much all of the schemes, play each other twice a year, etc.

This was the first time the Patriots swept the division, even during the Super Bowl seasons they didn't win all 6 divisional games.
 
zioxide said:
Divisional games are never easy. It doesn't matter how bad the teams are. They know pretty much all of the schemes, play each other twice a year, etc.

This was the first time the Patriots swept the division, even during the Super Bowl seasons they didn't win all 6 divisional games.
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The Dolphins were also one of the worst teams in NFL history this season.
 
thegman1234 said:
Come on, if you had a bad game against the Dolphins you still had a better shot an winning than they did.
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In point of fact, the Giants had a pretty poor game against the Dolphins this year. I know... I had to watch the damn thing and a shockingly bad display of football it was on both sides of the ball! (and yes, I know the rain and field conditions didn't help)
 
zioxide said:
This is true. They lost like 6 games by 3 points or less. They could have easily been 6-10 or so.
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The same could be said for the Pats, They could of lost a few games by that margin. They only beat the Giants by 3, the Ravens had the game won going into the past 2 minutes.
 
fotografica said:
Yes,seriously..That's my whole entire point..The Chargers had numerous opportunities to change the game (and swing whatever "momentum" was supposedly lost as a result of that non call) after that non call,and yet they couldn't do it. A five point game at the half is anybody's game..If somebody's going to try and tell me that the reason the Chargers could only put up a FG in the entire second half is because of some "momentum shift" due to that non call,sorry not buying it..The Chargers overcame several obvious blown/missed calls against the Colts (with a hobbled Rivers and Volek) to win that game. That game had several momentum shifts in it,yet the Chargers overcame them and won...Four FG's isn't going to beat the Pats..Even when Brady has a bad game....
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Yes, the Chargers lost their momentum because of the non-call but still had other chances to score later. That doesn't mean that the pick wasn't a big play in the game. W/o being homeristic I don't see what the massive debate over this is. The Pats got away w/a penalty that resulted in a pick that led to a TD in a tight game. I'm not saying it's a conspiracy, I'm just saying that's what happened. And when officiating mistakes impact a game like this of course people are going to talk about it.


zioxide said:
Compared to Rivers playing with no ACL, it's wussing out.
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If Rivers had an equivalent injury to his throwing shoulder he would've been on the bench. RB's need their knees more than QB's do.


Lethal
 
zioxide said:
Divisional games are never easy. It doesn't matter how bad the teams are. They know pretty much all of the schemes, play each other twice a year, etc.

This was the first time the Patriots swept the division, even during the Super Bowl seasons they didn't win all 6 divisional games.
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Yeah but those seasons, the AFC East was a better division. Yeah division games tend to be tough no matter what, but the Pats had more wins than the rest of their division combined. The division was the worst it's been in a while other than the Pats, and they went 16 and 0. You can't tell me it didn't help, I'm not saying it was the reason by any means, but it helped.
 
Giants season was much easier and they lost every hard game they had. They beat one team with a winning record in the regular season.
 
thegman1234 said:
So you're going to tell me that it doesn't help at all that they had 4 very very easy games and 2 pretty easy games? Come on, if you had a bad game against the Dolphins you still had a better shot an winning than they did. I didn't say it was the reason, I said it helps.
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here were their opponents:

Dolphins (x2), 1-15
Jets (x2), 4-12
Bills (x2), 7-9
Steelers, 10-6
Browns, 10-6
Bengals, 7-9
Ravens, 5-11
Colts, 13-3
Chargers, 11-5
Cowboys, 13-3
Giants, 10-6
Redskins, 9-7
Eagles, 8-8

Going only by record, that's 4 games against what might be called really awful teams, 4 games against sub-.500 but respectable teams, 1 game against a really good .500 team, and 7 games against over-.500 teams.

Yes, it was a boon to have two real stinkers in the division, but division games are always hard-fought. And moreover, the Pats played SIX playoff teams (8 is the most possible)! They also played a 10-6 that didn't make the playoffs and an 8-8 that had a points-for/points-against differential better than that of 3 playoff teams ('skins, titans, and yes, the giants).

Say what you want, but that's no easy schedule.

MacNut said:
The same could be said for the Pats, They could of lost a few games by that margin. They only beat the Giants by 3, the Ravens had the game won going into the past 2 minutes.
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The same could be said for ANY NFL team in any season. All teams have numerous games decided by 3 points or less. It's just how the modern NFL works.
 
thegman1234 said:
Exactly, which is why, even though I hate them so much, I have to give them credit.



So you're going to tell me that it doesn't help at all that they had 4 very very easy games and 2 pretty easy games? Come on, if you had a bad game against the Dolphins you still had a better shot an winning than they did. I didn't say it was the reason, I said it helps.
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Dude take a look at the Giants schedule and you'll quickly realize the Pats had the harder schedule and will win the Super Bowl.

NFC is very very weak.

ps: Who the f*uck else did you want the Pats to beat?
 
QCassidy352 said:
here were their opponents:

Dolphins (x2), 1-15
Jets (x2), 4-12
Bills (x2), 7-9
Steelers, 10-6
Browns, 10-6
Bengals, 7-9
Ravens, 5-11
Colts, 13-3
Chargers, 11-5
Cowboys, 13-3
Giants, 10-6
Redskins, 9-7
Eagles, 8-8

Going only by record, that's 4 games against what might be called really awful teams, 4 games against sub-.500 but respectable teams, 1 game against a really good .500 team, and 7 games against over-.500 teams.

Yes, it was a boon to have two real stinkers in the division, but division games are always hard-fought. And moreover, the Pats played SIX playoff teams (8 is the most possible)! They also played a 10-6 that didn't make the playoffs and an 8-8 that had a points-for/points-against differential better than that of 3 playoff teams ('skins, titans, and yes, the giants).

Say what you want, but that's no easy schedule.



The same could be said for ANY NFL team in any season. All teams have numerous games decided by 3 points or less. It's just how the modern NFL works.
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You guys are taking what I said out of context. I'm not saying it's the only reason they went 16-0. I'm saying it helps, it allows for error. That's ALL I'm saying.

Frisco said:
Dude take a look at the Giants schedule and you'll quickly realize the Pats had the harder schedule and will win the Super Bowl.

NFC is very very weak.

ps: Who the f*uck else did you want the Pats to beat?
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I never said the Giants had a harder schedule, relax dude. And to answer your question, I'd rather see them beat no one. It would be the best year in football for me in my lifetime if the Pats went 0-16. I hate the Pats like I hate the Islanders.
 
thegman1234 said:
You guys are taking what I said out of context. I'm not saying it's the only reason they went 16-0. I'm saying it helps, it allows for error. That's ALL I'm saying.
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Yes, fine, it's true that having the dolphins and jets in the division made for an easier schedule. But the Colts got the NFC south, the Chargers got the AFC west... and so on. The point is that everyone has some easy games on their schedule. And yes, of course, those easy games allow for error. But seriously, every team has those games, so unless the schedule as a whole is really easy, why even bother bringing it up?
 
So aren't the Pats just looking foolish in hiding Brady trying to make a story out of him being injured. I doubt anyone is buying it. Just makes them look like they are hiding things. People are saying that the Brady diversion is to take heat off of the Moss situation.

Lets say Brady really is hurt, what good will it do to let it fester a week. Either he's hurt or he isn't which is it. The only thing it is doing is making Bellicheck look like a weasel.
 
MacNut said:
So aren't the Pats just looking foolish in hiding Brady trying to make a story out of him being injured. I doubt anyone is buying it. Just makes them look like they are hiding things. People are saying that the Brady diversion is to take heat off of the Moss situation.

Lets say Brady really is hurt, what good will it do to let it fester a week. Either he's hurt or he isn't which is it. The only thing it is doing is making Bellicheck look like a weasel.
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yeah... no.
 
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