That's what I thought, but the ITV commentary team (well known for their accuracy issues I accept) said it had a clean-break system...
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That's what I thought, but the ITV commentary team (well known for their accuracy issues I accept) said it had a clean-break system...
Clean break from the refueling rig but there would have been fuel in the pipe which you could see pouring out as he shot down the pit lane
EDIT: Car 2 (massa) under investigation. Could Ferrari really be about to get a penalty.
EDIT: Car 2 (massa) under investigation. Could Ferrari really be about to get a penalty.
I think that means it stops the fuel being emptied from the storage tanks, rather than the fuel in the hose.
I assumed that it would seal both sides of the break thus giving a true clean break as opposed to a limited spill break 
I suppose a stop and go wouldn't have made much more of a difference.
S&Gs for entering a closed pit lane seem a little more harsh than the drive through for Massa
10,000 fine after the race when ferarri had a chance to win
Drive through when he doesn't have a chance of winning
Consistancy much
Clearly he should have had a 25 second penalty just like Hamilton instead of a fine.
Massa has screwed his championship.
I wonder what trumped up penalty Hamilton will now have to suffer to bring them back in line...
Why did the re-sign Kimi? He really has been terrible for a lot of this season. Hamilton playing it safe. Slightly boring, but understandable.
Almost indefinitely. They're capable of shutting multiple cylinders down. Most have been able to do this for years.robbieduncan said:
It happens frequently with the lollipop as well. The only way to stop it is ban refueling.robbieduncan said:
It seems harsh to punish the drivers in this situations... but rules are rules.
Ferrari International Assistance my arse.
Eh? Massa received the equivalent penalty that Hamilton would've received had there been enough laps left at Spa.robbieduncan said:
Eh?bartelby said:
Ferrari are doing a very, very good job of tossing the Championship away.
Love the circuit though.
I was referring, as was clear from the post I quoted, to the incident where Massa was fined for an identical unsafe release. I would say that today's penalty clearly shows that the wrong penalty was applied previously.
Not necessarily. One could suggest that today's penalty was wrongly applied, given the precedent set at Valencia.
However, the specifics of the two offenses differed, with today's infraction clearly much more serious than the one at Valencia (Massa was released before the refueling had finished, a pit man was injured, a potential multi-pit fire situation, and then being released directly in front of Sutil) it is quite obvious that the situation was not identical to the one at Valencia and was substantially more dangerous, hence the more serious penalty was applied in this case, and rightly so.
Though, in situations such of these, it would perhaps be more fair to penalise the team, either through a fine or the deduction of (if any) constructors points, because it is quite clear that in both cases, Massa was undeserving of any type of penalty, given that he did not do anything wrong in either case.
The rules state
23) PIT LANE
i) It is the responsibility of the competitor to release his car after a pit stop only when it is safe to do so.
Thus:
16) INCIDENTS
16.1 "Incident" means any occurrence or series of occurrences involving one or more drivers, or any action by
any driver, which is reported to the stewards by the race director (or noted by the stewards and referred to
the race director for investigation) which :
- necessitated the suspension of a race under Article 41 ;
- constituted a breach of these Sporting Regulations or the Code ;
So the penalties can be:
16.3 The stewards may impose any one of three penalties on any driver involved in an Incident :
a) A drive-through penalty. The driver must enter the pit lane and re-join the race without stopping ;
b) A ten second time penalty. The driver must enter the pit lane, stop at his pit for at least ten seconds
and then re-join the race.
c) a drop of ten grid positions at the drivers next Event.
However, should either of the penalties under a) and b) above be imposed during the last five laps, or
after the end of a race, Article 16.4b) below will not apply and 25 seconds will be added to the elapsed
race time of the driver concerned.
As the stewards said he was guilty of breaking sporting regulations he should have had one of the above penalties.
23) PIT LANE
i) It is the responsibility of the competitor to release his car after a pit stop only when it is safe to do so.
Thus:
16) INCIDENTS
16.1 "Incident" means any occurrence or series of occurrences involving one or more drivers, or any action by
any driver, which is reported to the stewards by the race director (or noted by the stewards and referred to
the race director for investigation) which :
- necessitated the suspension of a race under Article 41 ;
- constituted a breach of these Sporting Regulations or the Code ;
So the penalties can be:
16.3 The stewards may impose any one of three penalties on any driver involved in an Incident :
a) A drive-through penalty. The driver must enter the pit lane and re-join the race without stopping ;
b) A ten second time penalty. The driver must enter the pit lane, stop at his pit for at least ten seconds
and then re-join the race.
c) a drop of ten grid positions at the drivers next Event.
However, should either of the penalties under a) and b) above be imposed during the last five laps, or
after the end of a race, Article 16.4b) below will not apply and 25 seconds will be added to the elapsed
race time of the driver concerned.
As the stewards said he was guilty of breaking sporting regulations he should have had one of the above penalties.
only 7 points in it so its going to be close. Mclaren only 1 point ahead of Ferrari.
I don't think that was the greatest circuit this year. It looked very pretty and had lots of crashes and events but not enough close action. The safety car changed everything.
I don't think that was the greatest circuit this year. It looked very pretty and had lots of crashes and events but not enough close action. The safety car changed everything.
Street races are by their nature processional because there is no "safe" place to pass and without any real runoff area in "passing corners", if you make a mistake you end up in the wall and out of the race.
If you've ever taken the time to sit down and read them all... you'll find plenty of other flaws in the regulations that defy common sense as well.
Though I suppose such incidents do have the benefit of disproving the whole Ferrari International Assistance bollocks, when such incidents and penalties are seemingly somewhat conveniently forgotten every time a non-Ferrari is penalised.
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