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2008 Formula One Thread

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Markleshark said:
Track was amazing.

Also, FWIW, Massa did serve a 25 second penalty, by the time you've driven through the pit lane I bet it's not toooooo far short.
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A 25 sec penalty is the after race drive through. If there's not enough time to serve a drive through you get the 25 secs.

Hence the time penalty being pretty much the same as the race penalty.
 
CWallace said:
Street races are by their nature processional because there is no "safe" place to pass and without any real runoff area in "passing corners", if you make a mistake you end up in the wall and out of the race.
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I know, but if your going to add a new circuit to the season then it should be a good one. I think if they removed one or two of the chicanes it may make it better. They seemed to be placed on some of the corners so where without them passes could be made on breaking.

Heck probably no difference but just a thought.
 
Markleshark said:
Track was amazing.

Also, FWIW, Massa did serve a 25 second penalty, by the time you've driven through the pit lane I bet it's not toooooo far short.
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This race yes, but for a very similar incident in Valencia when he had a chance of winning the race the penalty was totally different for some reason.

Personally I think it's just down to different interpretations of the rules by local stewards there will be those people who see this as evidence that the FIA is biased in the favour of Ferrari. I'd say it just shows that full-time stewards (so the same people judge at each race) would be better.
 
SpookTheHamster said:
I had been under the impression that the FIA used the same permanent stewards.
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Nope. But there have been calls by many (like Sir Jackie Stewart) to have permanent stewards to ensure more commonality in rulings and penalties.

Of course, FIA President Max Mosley thinks Sir Jackie is a half-wit moron, so perhaps that is why he has not taken it under advisement.
 
I think they have permanent race directors to control the safety car and such to make that more even, so it would be good if the stewards were wouldn't it?

I think Sir Jackie Stuart is a bit more respected than Max Mosely?
 
robbieduncan said:
Personally I think it's just down to different interpretations of the rules by local stewards there will be those people who see this as evidence that the FIA is biased in the favour of Ferrari. I'd say it just shows that full-time stewards (so the same people judge at each race) would be better.
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Race control would be making those decisions I think, and they are the same at every track.

Counterfit said:
Turn 10, the straight leading to turn 7, pit enty/exit (who the **** thought those up? AWFUL!), and the curbs being way too high everywhere not withstanding?
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Whats wrong with the straight leading to turn 7? Bit bumpy? Making our poor, over-paid drivers work a bit harder? Curbs were not too high everywhere. They were on that chicane, but they clearly took them down a bit, and yes, don't use as much curb.

Pit Entry/Exit... Can't argue there.

Not a bad effort for the first time, night racing has to be the future. Still say it was amazing.
 
Markleshark said:
Race control would be making those decisions I think, and they are the same at every track.
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It was race control (Charlie Whiting) who told McLaren that Hamilton had yielded enough in Spa.


Race control has very little to do with stewards decisions.
 
I mentioned this on another forum, but I'm mazed that we haven't seen anyone being investigated for wearing the wooden plank down too much. I expected it after seeing the cars run down to turn 7.
 
Counterfit said:
and the curbs being way too high everywhere not withstanding?
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Mere molehills in comparison to those found on the chicanes of the old Hockenheimring. ;)

Counterfit said:
I expected it after seeing the cars run down to turn 7.
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The camera angle catching the cars from behind on the rundown to 7 was brilliant, catching the sparks that haven't been seen for the best part of 2 decades, and the blue flames emanating from the exhausts on the overrun... glorious.

I think the only valid criticism of the coverage, was the reliance on some extraordinarily zoomed-in shots, the nearest cameras being situated several hundred yards away, and as they zoomed out they were canceling out the acceleration of the cars making them look... slow. :(
 

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Counterfit said:
No wonder he got launched, look at the inside of the curb!
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Now, if Spa had those, there wouldn't have been any need for a debate about whether Hamilton deserved a penalty or not... because the circuit would've made the decision for us. ;)

Bring 'em back I say. :)
 
robbieduncan said:
Check out these stunning pictures from Singapore. I particularly like the ones where the cars look like toys :)
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Great pictures.


I have been thinking about the Ferrari traffic light system.

From what I have been told by the commetators (not the most reliable source so if all of this is wrong then please correct and ignore :)) for the light to go green various people have to press buttons with one of them being the fuel rig guy.

From Singapore the replay showed that the light was green when Massa went. Therefore the fuel rig guy must have pressed his button. If this is indeed the case why isn't there a sensor to detect if the fuel rig is attached. Or why isn't the final system checked by a lollipop man who then presses the final release button. Because the current system is very prone to human error and seems more designed around absolute speed rather than safety.


The penalty given to Massa wasn't the most they could give out, acording to the rules posted earlier in this thread. What would Massa/Ferrari have to do to get the 10 second stop and go, after all it was just about the most dangerous a release could be without an actual crash. And thus deserving of the biggest penalty (not that it would have made any difference to the results). Just wondering.
 
xUKHCx said:
Great pictures.


I have been thinking about the Ferrari traffic light system.

From what I have been told by the commetators (not the most reliable source so if all of this is wrong then please correct and ignore :)) for the light to go green various people have to press buttons with one of them being the fuel rig guy.

From Singapore the replay showed that the light was green when Massa went. Therefore the fuel rig guy must have pressed his button. If this is indeed the case why isn't there a sensor to detect if the fuel rig is attached. Or why isn't the final system checked by a lollipop man who then presses the final release button. Because the current system is very prone to human error and seems more designed around absolute speed rather than safety.


The penalty given to Massa wasn't the most they could give out, acording to the rules posted earlier in this thread. What would Massa/Ferrari have to do to get the 10 second stop and go, after all it was just about the most dangerous a release could be without an actual crash. And thus deserving of the biggest penalty (not that it would have made any difference to the results). Just wondering.
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there is a sensor on the rig and it says when the car is connected and the light should not go off until the light from the rig goes off.

sad race :(

imagine if they didn't have a release on the fuel hose
 
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