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2009/10 College Football Thread

Mike Leach and his OC lost that game for Texas Tech. WHY did they go for it on 4th and 1 when Houston stopped their run attempt three times in a row?? Kick the field goal and go up by 8! Not only do you force the other team to score, but they have to go for two just to TIE the game!

Stupid.

But another quality win for a non-AQ over a precious BCS team.

On another note, as much as I don't care about Florida and get sooo tired of hearing about Tebow, I really hope he's okay. Any injury is scary, but a head injury is the most terrifying.

And that's also awful about Asiata. He's one of those really talented backs that has just been plagued with injury. It's sad.

So how about Oregon absolutely DESTROYING Cal?? Ha ha! And everyone had written off Oregon after they fell to Boise State. Because how could ANY team that loses to Boise State be any good??? Idiots.

The polls are going to be very interesting tomorrow. :)

Go Broncos!!



PS. Mark May is a complete douche. ...I wonder if I'm allowed to say 'douche' in my signature?...


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dmr727 said:
Houston has quite the team this season.
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I'm honestly not all that impressed with Houston just yet. They're definitely good, but they haven't played against a real defense yet. Tech gave them all they could handle, and could have easily lost the game if not for the foolish 4th and 1 attempt.

I guess we'll see how they progress in conference play. But regardless, it was a great win for them!
 
evilgEEk said:
I'm honestly not all that impressed with Houston just yet. They're definitely good, but they haven't played against a real defense yet. Tech gave them all they could handle, and could have easily lost the game if not for the foolish 4th and 1 attempt.

I guess we'll see how they progress in conference play. But regardless, it was a great win for them!
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It was more than just that 4th and 1 attempted. Tech blew the game with STUPID and I mean STUPID turn overs.

You have turn overs like a give me fumble. or stupid interceptions that Tech blew the game in more ways than one.

Houston is impressive this year you have to give them that much.

But they are about about enter conferences play so there games are going to get easier not harder.
 
Rodimus Prime said:
But they are about about enter conferences play so there games are going to get easier not harder.
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I don't necessarily agree with that. On paper you're absolutely right, but just ask USC about conference play. ;)

Conference play brings in rivalries and grudges. Those two things can pump a team up more than any other team you might face out of conference. Not to mention Houston still has to get past Mississippi State at Mississippi, and the Bulldogs gave LSU a run for their money today.



Mark May is still a complete douche.
 
evilgEEk said:
So how about Oregon absolutely DESTROYING Cal?? Ha ha! And everyone had written off Oregon after they fell to Boise State. Because how could ANY team that loses to Boise State be any good??? Idiots.
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Oregon looked terrible in all of their games besides Cal

Good win for UO but hardly proves anything for BSU
 
dmr727 said:
Houston has quite the team this season. And how about TCU? Great win for them.
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Conference play brings in rivalries and grudges. Those two things can pump a team up more than any other team you might face out of conference. Not to mention Houston still has to get past Mississippi State at Mississippi, and the Bulldogs gave LSU a run for their money today.
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Les Miles is an idiot. We were completely stuffing the run, while our secondary is barely D1 level and couldn't cover high school WRs. Had he kept throwing the ball, they would have blown us out of the water. This is why I fear the Houston game will be a beatdown.


Oregon looked terrible in all of their games besides Cal

Good win for UO but hardly proves anything for BSU
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I agree. Cal has a history recently of choking in a big way. There have been a few times lately that they have been highly ranked and expected to contend for the conference title, only to finish up 6-6 or so.

For the record, I actually agree with May that TCU and Houston have a better argument for BCS busting than Boise. The MWC is a better conference than the WAC, and TCU and Houston already have two wins over BCS AQ teams. (Yeah, ok, one of TCU's wins was against Virginia, but it still counts) I think they will both get screwed, though, because of where they are ranked. Then again, given the way top 25 teams are losing, all three could end up in the top 10.
 
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I don't have Boise State highlighted to prove any points, it's highlighted because I have them as my favorite team set up with ESPN.com.
 
steve2112 said:
For the record, I actually agree with May that TCU and Houston have a better argument for BCS busting than Boise. The MWC is a better conference than the WAC, and TCU and Houston already have two wins over BCS AQ teams. (Yeah, ok, one of TCU's wins was against Virginia, but it still counts)
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I agree that the top tier of the MWC is overall better than the top of the WAC (the WAC has dominated the bottom of MWC this year though in head-to-head games), but simply stating that TCU and Houston are better because they have wins over BCS teams is a weak argument when you look at WHO they've beaten.

I actually give Houston the nod over TCU because at least they've beaten a ranked team, something TCU has yet to do.

So let's look at TCU's schedule. They beat Virginia. Who cares? Virginia lost to William and Mary 26-14! Enough said. Then they go on to beat Division II Texas State and a Clemson team who's only wins have come from Div. II and a dilapidated Boston College team.

Again, calling it a quality win simply due to the fact that the team is a BCS team is ridiculous. Just because a team is in a BCS conference doesn't mean they're any good.

The only challenging games TCU has on their schedule this year is an unexpectedly decent Colorado State team, and a #21 ranked BYU team that you never know when/if they are going to show up.

So tell me, how is their schedule so much better than Boise State's? The past dominance (and last year it definitely was great) of the MWC is just that, the past. With Asiata's injury I'm afraid Utah very well may end up an 8-9 win team

Now let's look at Houston. They beat Oklahoma State IN Stillwater. Now that IS a quality win, because even though OK State was over-hyped, they are at least still ranked #12. That's a great road win.

The next game came at home against a down Texas Tech team (again, last year Tech was good, but that was last year), and had Mike Leach not had a brain cramp in that humidity they likely would have lost. But a win is a win and I give them credit for it. They go to Mississippi State in a couple of weeks, and I think that will be a tough game for Houston, but Miss State isn't exactly an elite team. Their only two wins have come against a Div II team and Vanderbilt.

But after Miss State who does Houston have to play? Southern Miss? I'm not very familiar with the teams Houston has left to play, but it will be very interesting when(if) they meet a team with a real defense.

I'll be the first to acknowledge Boise State has no one left to play as well. But if we continue to dominate in each of those games I think we will deserve to be where we're at.

If TCU can get past BYU then all three teams (Boise, Houston, TCU) will have beaten ranked teams, but none of these teams will be really challenged in their respective conferences.
 
evilgEEk said:
I agree that the top tier of the MWC is overall better than the top of the WAC (the WAC has dominated the bottom of MWC this year though in head-to-head games), but simply stating that TCU and Houston are better because they have wins over BCS teams is a weak argument when you look at WHO they've beaten.

I actually give Houston the nod over TCU because at least they've beaten a ranked team, something TCU has yet to do.

So let's look at TCU's schedule. They beat Virginia. Who cares? Virginia lost to William and Mary 26-14! Enough said. Then they go on to beat Division II Texas State and a Clemson team who's only wins have come from Div. II and a dilapidated Boston College team.


So tell me, how is their schedule so much better than Boise State's? The past dominance (and last year it definitely was great) of the MWC is just that, the past. With Asiata's injury I'm afraid Utah very well may end up an 8-9 win team

Now let's look at Houston. They beat Oklahoma State IN Stillwater. Now that IS a quality win, because even though OK State was over-hyped, they are at least still ranked #12. That's a great road win.


But after Miss State who does Houston have to play? Southern Miss? I'm not very familiar with the teams Houston has left to play, but it will be very interesting when(if) they meet a team with a real defense.

If TCU can get past BYU then all three teams (Boise, Houston, TCU) will have beaten ranked teams, but none of these teams will be really challenged in their respective conferences.
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Notice I said TCU's win over Virginia doesn't really count. I'm surprised Al Groh hasn't been fired already. :)

I also don't give Houston much credit for their conference, as CUSA is usually only a step above the MAC. However, I think it all depends on how the rest of the season plays out. If Oregon ends up as a 6-6 team while Texas Tech and Okie State end up winning 8-9 games, I think those wins look more impressive. If Oregon ends up winning the Pac10, then that win looks a lot better.

Much like Utah last year, I think if TCU runs the table through a good MWC, they deserve to be there. I think Houston would have to be more reliant on their OOC schedule. Overall, the WAC seems to be better than CUSA, but not to the level of the MWC. How many wins does the rest of the WAC have against BCS teams? The MWC has won a few of those games. Plus, as I said before, any time one team so completely dominates a conference, it indicates the rest of the conference isn't that good.

Overall, though, I think TCU and Houston may end up being victims of the preseason polls. Because of last year's performance, BSU was ranked fairly high at the beginning of the season, while TCU and Houston weren't. It's tough to climb out of that hole. I would actually like to see all three go undefeated, while nobody from the "Big 6" does it. Then we really get to see the BCS people squirm.
 
evilgEEk said:
Again, calling it a quality win simply due to the fact that the team is a BCS team is ridiculous. Just because a team is in a BCS conference doesn't mean they're any good.
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I am sorry but I just have to call you out on this

How many times have we heard non-BCS conference schools cite how they beat "BCS conference team" when trying to promote their school? I mean, I must have read that about 10,000,000 times where a school says they are 8-1 v. BCS conference teams (making up the stat, btw).

Now, you are trying to downplay TCU by using the exact same argument YOU use?

Pot calling the kettle black, eh?

If Houston goes undefeated, how anyone could with a straight face say that BSU deserves to go ahead of them in a BCS bowl is beyond me and shows how little people actually watch football. Houston's schedule with OSU/TT/MSU is much tougher than BSU's DII schedule with their hardest game being an average at BEST Oregon team
 
DiamondMac said:
I am sorry but I just have to call you out on this

How many times have we heard non-BCS conference schools cite how they beat "BCS conference team" when trying to promote their school? I mean, I must have read that about 10,000,000 times where a school says they are 8-1 v. BCS conference teams (making up the stat, btw).

Now, you are trying to downplay TCU by using the exact same argument YOU use?

Pot calling the kettle black, eh?

If Houston goes undefeated, how anyone could with a straight face say that BSU deserves to go ahead of them in a BCS bowl is beyond me and shows how little people actually watch football. Houston's schedule with OSU/TT/MSU is much tougher than BSU's DII schedule with their hardest game being an average at BEST Oregon team
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I agree

He does seem to be backpeddling the argument to down play the other non BCS teams' wins
 
It has repeatedly been proven this year that the ratings don't mean anything this early. Notre Dame is mediocre, at best, yet started the year high because of hype, and now Michigan is riding that win. Ditto Ole Miss.

USC is not the team it has been in recent years, yet remains in the top 10. Ditto Ohio State.

Everyone fell in love with Miami (who, if you'll recall, I predicted to lose in Blacksburg) and Cal, who promptly went thud when they faced a good team on the road.

Boise State might be legit, but we won't know unless they make it to a good (read: non-blue turf) bowl game because they don't play anyone else the rest of the year. Any team in Division I (or I-AA, for crying out loud) can win on any given day, against any given team, so one legitimate win on your resume isn't good enough.
 
The problem is pre-season polls. Teams are ranked before any games are played and then move up and down based on results. I think there should be no polls till October.
 
swiftaw said:
The problem is pre-season polls. Teams are ranked before any games are played and then move up and down based on results. I think there should be no polls till October.
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That won't stop the cycle of moving up and down based on results - if people just vote for the teams they think are the best, it works. And that's usually the case.
 
I though the rushing the field at Houston vs Texas Tech game was rather said considering Houston was a rank team who beat an UNRANKED team. They were supposed to win it was no an upset.

It was a good game but tech blew it. They did stupid turn overs and failed to capitalized on any turn over they did get.

That all being said will be happy it my Texas Tech team comes out with just a winning record which is looking iffy at best this year. Big 12 south is a hard confrence to be in and like last year 3-4 of the schools are in great shape. OSU, OU, and UT. I have little hope of Tech winning any of those games.

Either way Texas Tech just making it to a bowl game would make me happy during a rebuilding year. Texas Tech lost a good part of there team and with that considered I think they are doing pretty well. They seem to be at least holding there own against some tough teams.
 
IgnatiusTheKing said:
Boise State might be legit, but we won't know unless they make it to a good (read: non-blue turf) bowl game because they don't play anyone else the rest of the year.
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You're absolutely correctt. All I can hope for is that we continue to dominate every team and hope that we don't get jumped by too many teams.

But I'm still going to enjoy this #5 rating. It's the highest ranking for a non-AQ school during the regular-season in the BCS era.

...If only LSU would have lost too... ;)
 
Rodimus Prime said:
I though the rushing the field at Houston vs Texas Tech game was rather said considering Houston was a rank team who beat an UNRANKED team. They were supposed to win it was no an upset.
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You are right, but you have to remember that UH is a nothing program and has been for YEARS. This was their first game playing as a ranked team in 18 years and they are still feeling the sting of being left out of the Big 12. They've never had a huge following to begin with, and I'm sure most of the fans in the stadium were expecting Tech to come in and deflate their season. At least they didn't chant "over-rated" right?

Now all they have to do is hope Notre Dame wins a few more games this year so Weis doesn't get fired. I am 100% convinced that Sumlin will be announced as the new head coach up in South Bend in December, unless the Irish win 9 games.

evilgEEk said:
You're absolutely correctt. All I can hope for is that we continue to dominate every team and hope that we don't get jumped by too many teams.

But I'm still going to enjoy this #5 rating. It's the highest ranking for a non-AQ school during the regular-season in the BCS era.

...If only LSU would have lost too... ;)
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You absolutely should enjoy the #5. The Broncos have been good long enough to deserve that sort of high ranking in a weird year like this, and that Oregon victory looks even better now.

Who knows, even with the relatively weak schedule, if BSU runs the table, they could find themselves in the top 2 come December 6. I wouldn't bet on it, but it could happen.

And LSU should have lost, too. If the offensive coordinator at MSU wasn't so inept, they would have.
 
IgnatiusTheKing said:
You are right, but you have to remember that UH is a nothing program and has been for YEARS. This was their first game playing as a ranked team in 18 years and they are still feeling the sting of being left out of the Big 12. They've never had a huge following to begin with, and I'm sure most of the fans in the stadium were expecting Tech to come in and deflate their season. At least they didn't chant "over-rated" right?

Now all they have to do is hope Notre Dame wins a few more games this year so Weis doesn't get fired. I am 100% convinced that Sumlin will be announced as the new head coach up in South Bend in December, unless the Irish win 9 games.



You absolutely should enjoy the #5. The Broncos have been good long enough to deserve that sort of high ranking in a weird year like this, and that Oregon victory looks even better now.

Who knows, even with the relatively weak schedule, if BSU runs the table, they could find themselves in the top 2 come December 6. I wouldn't bet on it, but it could happen.

And LSU should have lost, too. If the offensive coordinator at MSU wasn't so inept, they would have.
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As you said, most CUSA teams consider it a big deal when they beat a "big 6" team. Southern Mississippi was happy when they beat Virginia, though that doesn't seem like that big a deal now. To be fair, though, it was a good game with USM spotting a big lead, then pulling it out in the 4th. This is exactly why I don't like the fact that our AD recently announce we have signed a home and home series with them. We instantly become their biggest game of the season.

You know, I would hate to see the buyout for Weis. He signed that 10 year deal a year or two ago, so I can imagine he has a huge buyout. Then again, this is Notre Dame, so I figure they have very deep pockets.

BSU very well could end up #2. If Florida and Alabama run the table, they will meet in the SEC championship game, which will eliminate one of them. Then they only need a couple of other losses, and they are #2.

LSU should have lost, but they found their MSU voodoo doll again. Even when we were good in the 90s and they sucked, they found ways to beat us, usually very badly. I thought it was just a Jackie Sherrill voodoo, but it seems it doesn't matter who is coaching. To be fair, it wasn't entirely the OC on that last series. The QB made some boneheaded decisions. The pass on 3rd down was wide open, but he rifled the ball in, which allowed it to be batted down. If he put some air under that one, it was a TD. On the 4th down play, he made two mistakes. If he pitched the ball, the RB (one of the best in the SEC) goes in. If he even stretches out, he crosses the plane for the TD. Of course, having a 5'9" (at best) QB doesn't help in that instance.
 
Gameday!

Texas is off this week, but still lots of good football to be seen today. USC/Cal should be interesting. Can Cal bounce back after their disaster last week?
 
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