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2009/10 College Football Thread
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I don't think you have anything to worry about as long as Miles is coaching. I'm amazed the rowdy LSU fans haven't driven him out of town on a rail yet. He has made some bonehead decisions. Just watch the Ole Miss game for an example. This game wasn't much better.
Yeah, the Big 10 has really looked good this bowl season. I admit I was surprised at the Rose Bowl results. It's amazing that Northwestern threw 5 INTs and still had a chance to win the game at the end. I was really rooting for them to pull it out. I mean, they haven't won a bowl game in 50 years. The Pac 10, OTOH, has looked terrible. 2-5 so far.
I do wonder how much the whole coaching mess played in Cinci's loss. Yeah, Florida just looked better, but I wonder how much all the drama affected the Cinci players.
There were three things that could have happened on the play that penalty was called. This is how I see them, in order of correctness:
- No penalty. LSU spikes the ball to stop the clock despite losing a few seconds because of the PSU player laying on the LSU player. With only about 10 yards to go to get into FG range and about 20 seconds on the clock, LSU's chances of winning are very high.
- Delay of game penalty on the PSU player, as it's against the rules for a defensive player to attempt to run clock by keeping an offensive player on the ground. LSU gets extra yards and likely kicks a game-winning FG as time expires.
- What actually happened. That penalty should never have been called, so LSU's genius of a QB would never have been in position to let 15 seconds run off the clock.
It's hard for me to see how Miles had any control over what happened, then, as he had no timeouts and thus no opportunity to talk to his QB after that play. In my mind, LSU had that game won until the combination of bad officiating and stupid play by the QB lost it for them.
If Kelly hadn't bailed, the game probably would have been a little closer, but Cincinnati was just outclassed by a much better team, just like they were in the Orange Bowl last year. The bottom line is that the Big East is a joke of a conference and is not deserving of an automatic bid (though Cincy obviously would have earned an at-large this year).
I realize it was more stupid QB play that lost it. I also agree that the penalty should not have been called. I swear I think they were using SEC officials or something.
Miles will probably get the blame, though. LSU fans got spoiled by Saban and are starting to crank up the heat on Miles. Plus, he has pulled some really boneheaded moves in the past couple of years. In the OM game, it's a toss up as to who was at fault: the coaching staff for being disorganized or the players for running time off the clock. I agree that Cincinnati was simply outclassed, but it seemed to me they were just listless and out of sync. I tend to think that whole mess had something to do with it. I also agree about the Big East BCS bid. It needs to go to some other deserving conference like the Mountain West. At least they have won a BCS game lately.
What bowman did was perfectly fine at the end of the game. You are coached to stay down as long as possible, he wasn't even down for that long before the lsu player pulled him off. You never pull another player off someone, that player deserved the personal foul. Even if they did call a delay of game on penn state, they still would of had to call the personal foul on LSU.
LSU got the majority of the calls in their favor that game. tons of holding(and blatant tackles while blocking), trindon holliday called for a fair catch but they allowed him to return it 40 yards, and near the end of the game they called a penalty on penn state, but lsu was offsides on the play which led to a 4th down and a field goal.
The refs couldn't even keep track of what down it was for penn state, they said it was 4th down when it was really 2nd down. They also kept spotting the ball .5-1yard short nearly every time, which caused a few reviews of the spot of the ball.
LSU got the majority of the calls in their favor that game. tons of holding(and blatant tackles while blocking), trindon holliday called for a fair catch but they allowed him to return it 40 yards, and near the end of the game they called a penalty on penn state, but lsu was offsides on the play which led to a 4th down and a field goal.
The refs couldn't even keep track of what down it was for penn state, they said it was 4th down when it was really 2nd down. They also kept spotting the ball .5-1yard short nearly every time, which caused a few reviews of the spot of the ball.
I disagree. Players pull guys off the pile all the time without getting flagged, and the PSU player was clearly trying to run clock instead of letting the LSU player up. It sucks that something like that had to decide the game, rather than the play on the field. Regardless, the refs agreed with you so in the end that's all that really matters.
I thought the game was called fairly evenly, but I agree the refs seemed to have their heads up their asses on keeping track of the downs on that PSU series.
Holliday didn't call for a fair catch and none of the PSU players reacted to him as if he did. To call for a fair catch, you wave your hand above your head; he clearly didn't do that. It looked to me like he lost his balance for a second on the torn-up turf and swung his arm to keep from falling down.
I'm getting pumped up for the Fiesta bowl. We have both Boise St. and TCU fans here, but no smack talk? C'mon! Who's gonna win this thing?
TCU of course, I just don't want to hurt evilgEEk's feeling's too much.
P-Worm
This is true, and I wish the rule was changed. Talk about a rule with a lot of gray area!
P-Worm
Wrong. The NCAA rule book clearly states what is and is not a valid fair catch signal, and that signal is waving a single hand over the head.
NCAA Football Rules Book (see page 45)
It was borderline painful to listen to him today...he called a field goal good when it was not, then called a guy down when he wasn't. He's lost it over the past several years, unfortunately.
Listening to him wasn't as painful as watching that game. 10 turnovers, 16 penalties. Ugly stuff. I was hoping OK State would pull it out, but they decided to give it away late in the game. The Liberty Bowl was ugly as well.
No, they follow the rule book in this area. Moving your hand to stabilize yourself is not a fair-catch signal and the refs try to determine if the receiver was obviously signaling for a fair catch.
If that was true, then Holliday would not have been allowed to return that punt. But since they follow the actual rules, he was.
obviously you guys don't watch enough college football because it gets called all the time. Even the announcers were complaining about it for a while, and ESPN/ABC never says anything negative about the SEC because of their huge contract
Your team won the game. Why are you still crying about it? Does it hurt that much to be wrong about something?
They don't follow the rulebook?
you guys can stop talking now, I suggest watching more college football and it was very convenient for you to copy and paste what fitted your argument best.
Valid Signal
ARTICLE 2. A valid signal is a signal given by a player of Team B who has obviously signaled his intention by extending one hand only clearly above his head and waving that hand from side to side of his body more than once.
Invalid Signal
ARTICLE 3. An invalid signal is any waving signal by a player of Team B that does not meet the requirements of a valid signal (Rule 6-5-3).
So, as we can see, one hand above the head waving back and forth signifies a fair catch. According to 2-7-3, however, any other waving signal is considered an "invalid signal."
Rule 6-5-2 defines the penalty for attempting to advance the ball after a fair catch signal (emphasis supplied):
No Advance
ARTICLE 2. No Team B player shall carry a caught or recovered ball more than two steps in any direction after a valid or invalid fair catch signal by any Team B player (A.R. 6-5-2-I-IV).
PENALTYDead-ball foul. Five yards from the succeeding spot [S7 and S21].
again, nice selective copy and pasting job
See section d? There's an exception to "any hand motion is a fair catch". It's right under what you highlighted, no less. I wonder what other hand motions are allowed for the ball to be live? What about pointing at a teammate on where to lay down a block?
Also, you can stop with the "you guys should watch more football". Do you think that's somehow insulting or makes you look cooler? Look, you won the game, get over it. As long as you know that you got murdered by USC last year in a BCS bowl I'm fine with it. Your team just can't show up for huge games and Paterno is the most overrated coach in the country.
Also, you can stop with the "you guys should watch more football". Do you think that's somehow insulting or makes you look cooler? Look, you won the game, get over it. As long as you know that you got murdered by USC last year in a BCS bowl I'm fine with it. Your team just can't show up for huge games and Paterno is the most overrated coach in the country.