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A glance at the Champions League stat sheet for this campaign shows that Bendtner's 5 goals from 5 appearances and goals-per-minutes numbers compare pretty favorably with everyone except Ronaldo and Messi....better, for instance, than a certain Wayne Rooney.

He may be no RVP, but he looks pretty solid from my perspective.
 
For a second there LB I thought you were implying that Bendtner is better than Rooney, careful now, you know what they say, you can prove anything with facts? ;):D
Seriously tho, we all now the figures don't tell the whole truth like for instance how he might have possibly scored the easiest hat-trick in UEFA history (thanks to a nifty little russian).

I'm not here to degrade the guy, it's not in my place, but comparing him to Berba (and Im frustrated like hell at Berba atm) is a little far-fetched, wouldn't you agree?
 
For a second there LB I thought you were implying that Bendtner is better than Rooney, careful now, you know what they say, you can prove anything with facts? ;):D

As they say - there are lies, damned lies, and stastistics. ;)

Seriously tho, we all now the figures don't tell the whole truth like for instance how he might have possibly scored the easiest hat-trick in UEFA history (thanks to a nifty little russian).

A lot of people got excited when Michael Owen scored a hat trick in the Champions League recently, though SAF was unmoved. It turned out to be a fluke, as Owen proved once again that he's injury prone.

I'm not here to degrade the guy, it's not in my place, but comparing him to Berba (and Im frustrated like hell at Berba atm) is a little far-fetched, wouldn't you agree?

Bendtner is only 22, so it's unfair to judge him under the same criteria as Berbatov. He may yet put up Berbatov's numbers. I was just more interested in hearing what Arsenal fans think of his progress (or lack of it) this season. It seems that he's been inconsistent but promising. One thing I would argue is that he's probably a better lone striker than Berbatov, the Bulgarian prefers close support.

Anyway, if we are going by goals per-game I expect to see David Nugent starting for England against us in the WC. :D
 
I'm now worried we will lose Fabregas at the end of the season and maybe one or two other players and frankly i wouldn't blame them. We are now on course to 5 yrs without a single trophy. There's being patient...and then there's plain old begging it!

Bendtner has done some significant favours for us this season but he's still not top level/world class for me.
 
We are now on course to 5 yrs without a single trophy. There's being patient...and then there's plain old begging it!

That sounds frustratingly familiar to me. :eek:

Both Arsenal and Liverpool are in a situation where the fans are eager for a trophy, but it always falls just out of reach. At least in Arsenal's case you aren't in massive debt...
 
Just back. Bendtner has been very good for us.. the weight on his shoulders in 2010 as basically the only fit striker has been huge, and he has dealt with it well, and got some crucial goals. None of us think he is a world beater, but he is a goal scorer, and offers us something different.. an aerial threat. He's also still young for a striker.. he'll develop.

Clichy was brilliant tonight, worked so so hard. Couple of stupid shots, but it terms of commitment, outstanding. Diaby wasn't.

Camp Nou isn't that great from the outside, sort of looks like a car park, but inside is pretty stunning. I have quite a few photos, will pop them up here at some point. All the Barca fans were so friendly, so nice.. I wish them all the best, and hope they go on and win it. They play unbelievable football, beat us fairly, and have some player in Messi (although diving and rolling around on the floor, thus earning Nasri a booking (think Nasri)) lost him some of my respect.

Blaugh. Bed time.
 
Welcome back!

I agree, Bendtner's never going to be a Drogba/Torres/Rooney/RVP, but he has the potential to be a solid squad player, and considering the burden he's had to shoulder this season he's done pretty well.
 
Lets be frank, price tag is a silly excuse; put bluntly I wouldn't take him even if they paid me 30.5 million. The only thing in Bendtner's favour is expectation - be it from his manager or the fans.

I'm not saying it's an excuse, the angle is the link between expectation and price tag - the bigger the transfer fee, the more focused the fans' critical eye becomes.

Rolling Messi - it was Denilson.

Cheers,
OW
 
View from our seats at kick off :)

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Okay, Denilson. Yeah, it just disappointed me that he felt the need to cheat and dive.. he is more than capable of winning the game without resorting to that!
 
the bigger the transfer fee, the more focused the fans' critical eye becomes.
OW

You're right and that would be true in the majority of cases but not for Berba. Instead it's more like: the bigger the transfer fee, the more focused the pundits' and opposing fans' critical eye becomes.

Speaking from the perspective of a Man Utd fan, I can honestly say that I'm used to us buying players at exaggerated fees. Look at the likes of Carrick, Anderson, Nani from this current generation and yet they don't come under the same heavy criticism that Dimi does even though, for his respective role, he's been delivering more at a more consistent basis. It's a testament to him that despite not satisfying pundits' expectations, he is still considered by them as arguably the most skillful and talented player in the english league and the miscorrelation between natural talent and goals (I say goals, mind you, and not statistics because his are pretty good) that leads to frustration that leads to his perceived failure.

I don't know if I've made any sense but believe it or not, his price tag issue gets blown up way out of proportion.
 
You're right and that would be true in the majority of cases but not for Berba. Instead it's more like: the bigger the transfer fee, the more focused the pundits' and opposing fans' critical eye becomes.

Speaking from the perspective of a Man Utd fan, I can honestly say that I'm used to us buying players at exaggerated fees. Look at the likes of Carrick, Anderson, Nani from this current generation and yet they don't come under the same heavy criticism that Dimi does even though, for his respective role, he's been delivering more at a more consistent basis. It's a testament to him that despite not satisfying pundits' expectations, he is still considered by them as arguably the most skillful and talented player in the english league and the miscorrelation between natural talent and goals (I say goals, mind you, and not statistics because his are pretty good) that leads to frustration that leads to his perceived failure.

I don't know if I've made any sense but believe it or not, his price tag issue gets blown up way out of proportion.

Yep. :)

On pundits - old favourites Match of the Day - he scored a great volley, ball behind him, low and his body parallel to the ground; if it had been Rooney, Torres or Drogba, then Grey, Scarface and Chuckle Brother would have been creaming themselves, not a mention in the 'analysis', nor an appearance in Goal of the Month. It's as if he is playing for a team outside the 'Top Four'.:)

Edit - XIII - "Yeah, it just disappointed me that he felt the need to cheat and dive.. he is more than capable of winning the game without resorting to that!",

Messi's an odd one, there were times he could have gone down in the penalty area but stayed on his feet.


Cheers,
OW
 
Splendid, I'm sure you were instantly reminded of the KC when you walked in. :)

How many Arsenal supporters were present?

4900ish. We got locked in for the standard 30 minutes after the game and were singing in the empty stadium :D

Messi's an odd one, there were times he could have gone down in the penalty area but stayed on his feet.

I'll take your word for that.. hard to see that much detail from up in the sky!

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Messi's an odd one, there were times he could have gone down in the penalty area but stayed on his feet.

Finally someone actually sees things correctly. I know im biased but Messi simply doesn't dive. He rather stay on his feet and put the ball in the back of the net and I think his goals tally somewhat backs that up.

I hate it when people say the Barça players dive. There are 2 in the whole squad that occasionally do it (and it pisses me off). Dani Alves likes a good splash now and then and Busquest seems to fold like a wet paper towel when you catch him right but not always.

If you watch the rest of the team they just jump up and get on with it. Barça have scored so many goals from quick free quicks its funny. Check out the one where Messi put Pedro through last night; he just didnt score.

Barça's game plan is quick movement of the ball. Jumping up from a foul and playing an early, short freekick is a big part of their game.

Plus Guardiola hates it when someone dives and rolls about on the floor as its undermining his tactics. It wouldnt surprise me if he fined them for taking dives and rolling about. He fines them for not being ready when he is on the training ground - and I dont mean late, I mean not stood where he wants them! :eek:
 
MacBoobsPro,

Sorry to disappoint you, I do think the Denilson tackle was fair; looked like he won the ball then Messi put a leg between both of his - Messi buying a foul or momentum? I don't doubt that for the majority of fouls he is getting a kicking. The 'odd' came from, on the one hand questions re the Denilson encounter, and on the other his behaviour in the area.

Cheers,
 
Don't forget Iniesta, who during the last clasico was diving so much, even Ronaldo got jealous and had a "talk" to him about it.
 
Holy Cow XIII, did they at least give you an oxygen mask to watch from that altitude? :D That's a massive stadium even by US standards, and we have loads of giant stadiums. I can't wait till I have some disposable income for a European vacation, the Camp Nou is one place I'd like to visit.

As far as diving and Barca go, they seem more likely to hack someone down than dive. But just about every forward ever born dives. It is, unfortunately, part of the game. My hometown team's star player, Guillermo Barros Schelotto, is a serial diver. But he's a pretty small guy and he 36 years old, playing in a fairly physical league, so I'd rather see him bundled over and win a free kick than have his foot broken since any injury at this stage is career threatening!

Re: Berbatov. The fact of the matter is, he's not really worth what he cost. BUT, you could say that about a LOT of players in the top leagues...it's a factor of what the market is willing to pay. So that isn't Berbatov's fault. He's a very good striker and pretty much any team would like to have him on their roster. I think he gets a lot of undeserved criticism in the press. On the other hand, I also think he's shoehorned into a less than ideal role at United, so he's less effective than he could be if the team was built to feed him.
 
He's a kidder that Ferguson, isn't he? :cool:

6 mins gone and it's 2-0 already. Great goal by Nani!
 
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