2009-10 Football Thread – The Second Half

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Ole Gunnar Solskjær is, unless I'm mistaken, one of the coaches at Old Trafford (he manages the reserves I think). They ought to get him to go and warm up, that'll panic Bayern. :p
 
Apparently not. United are out.

You can engrave the trophy with a "Barcelona" right now as far as I'm concerned. ;)

EDIT: I'd have to say that Olic goal in the first half was the key moment, it allowed Bayern to gather themselves a bit. The sending off was important but that first goal for Bayern made them fight back hard.
 
No way was this United team going to beat Barcelona anyway.

Another dream start, another nightmare finish. Time for Michael Carrick to be sent packing as far as I'm concerned. I don't blame Rafael so much because he's still super young and did a great job shutting down Ribery, when he wasn't fouling him. Should have done much, much better when he was free on goal, but again - naïveté strikes.

When Olic scored I knew we were in trouble. Sloppy, sloppy goal to give away and completely changed the momentum of the match.

The stupid red should have given Badstuber a straight red for his challenge on Valencia. Bayern were playing dirty football all game, especially trying to stomp on Rooney's foot. The stupid ref also got in Gibson's way when he had a clear shot on goal.

Oh well, at least United can concentrate on staying in the league race, and hopefully the top brass will be disillusioned of any notion that the squad is good enough to compete in Europe.

Nani and Valencia were freakin' magic, though. And gotta tip your cap to Robben for the volley that sent Bayern through.
 
Generally pleased with the performance, but the result could have been better.:) Carrick seems intent on playing himself out of Old Trafford.

Sending off - if that is the referee's view of challenges/cards, fair enough, but then why was van Bommel still on the pitch?

I know they got a dodgy penalty, but come on Lyon.

Cheers,
OW
 
oscillatewildly said:
XIII - nice panorama. What were they playing on the screens?

Cheers,
OW
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Highlights from the game. Was quite funny.. we all cheered as they were showing Bendtner's goal over and over, singing "1-0 to the Arsenal" and booed Messi's.. along with "Who are yaaa?" haha.

MacBoobsPro said:
Finally someone actually sees things correctly. I know im biased but Messi simply doesn't dive. He rather stay on his feet and put the ball in the back of the net and I think his goals tally somewhat backs that up.

I hate it when people say the Barça players dive. There are 2 in the whole squad that occasionally do it (and it pisses me off). Dani Alves likes a good splash now and then and Busquest seems to fold like a wet paper towel when you catch him right but not always.

If you watch the rest of the team they just jump up and get on with it. Barça have scored so many goals from quick free quicks its funny. Check out the one where Messi put Pedro through last night; he just didnt score.

Barça's game plan is quick movement of the ball. Jumping up from a foul and playing an early, short freekick is a big part of their game.

Plus Guardiola hates it when someone dives and rolls about on the floor as its undermining his tactics. It wouldnt surprise me if he fined them for taking dives and rolling about. He fines them for not being ready when he is on the training ground - and I dont mean late, I mean not stood where he wants them! :eek:
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Blaugh, whatever.. as oscillatewildly says below, I think Messi dived for the Denilson incident. Say whatever you like about how fair he is, but he rolled around so so much, and got Denilson booked for winning the ball. Second half Eboue broke away from someone and they fell on the floor holding their face. Absolutely no contact, Eboue got booked too. I'm not complaining as I've already said Barcelona deserved their win, definitely.. but it leaves a sour taste which wasn't necessary.

oscillatewildly said:
MacBoobsPro,

Sorry to disappoint you, I do think the Denilson tackle was fair; looked like he won the ball then Messi put a leg between both of his - Messi buying a foul or momentum? I don't doubt that for the majority of fouls he is getting a kicking. The 'odd' came from, on the one hand questions re the Denilson encounter, and on the other his beahviour in the area.

Cheers,
OW
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Lord Blackadder said:
Holy Cow XIII, did they at least give you an oxygen mask to watch from that altitude? :D That's a massive stadium even by US standards, and we have loads of giant stadiums. I can't wait till I have some disposable income for a European vacation, the Camp Nou is one place I'd like to visit.
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Well worth a visit, as is Barcelona as a city. I've been all round Europe (on the trains, last summer) but not to Barcelona before.. I really liked it.. recommended. I would go back.

daneoni said:
...and Man Utd fans were mocking Arsenal fans yesterday.
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Yeah, didn't quite understand that.. as if they would fare any better against this Barcelona team.

I'm always pleased to see United knocked out, but I didn't really care tonight.. I didn't think they had any chance of winning it, they'd get to the final and then be obliterated by this Barcelona team.. incredible. Can't see them not winning it if Messi keeps his form.
 
oscillatewildly said:
Some, not all.
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Granted

XIII said:
...Yeah, didn't quite understand that.. as if they would fare any better against this Barcelona team.

I'm always pleased to see United knocked out, but I didn't really care tonight.. I didn't think they had any chance of winning it, they'd get to the final and then be obliterated by this Barcelona team.. incredible. Can't see them not winning it if Messi keeps his form...
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Agreed
 
Fergie's Post-Match Interview said:
"There is no doubt about it," Ferguson told ITV when asked if the dismissal had changed the course of the game. "They were never getting through that tie; with 11 men we had no problem. The young boy showed a bit of inexperience but they got him sent off. Everyone sprinted towards the referee – typical Germans."
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Sour grapes Fergie. Since when is it unusual for teams to surround the ref in such situations?

Nothing Teutonic about that, actually the pitcture shows Ribery in a classic French posture, shrugging his shoulders with his arms outstreched. ;)
 
NathanCH said:
What great fixtures we had this round with Arsenal v Barca and Bayern v United.
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Yup both ties were very entertaining to watch. They had pretty much everything you could ask for. Even the Chelsea/Inter match.

Just saw highlights of the Bayern match and wow...lets just say it was a game of wingers.

Fergie really isn't taking the defeat well is he. I understand it was somewhat daylight robbery but still...
 
He's not the only one, I'm absolutely gutted and my larger doesn't seem to be working either.. I'm blaming that on the Germans too, typical.
 
Lord Blackadder said:
Sour grapes Fergie. Since when is it unusual for teams to surround the ref in such situations?
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Our managerial Knight of the Realm continued his complaints in a further post-match interview...

"It was typical professionalism in a way but they saw the opportunity and they almost forced the referee to get the card out - the referee wasn't going to do anything. But we've seen it before from teams like that."

Teams like that?

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Of course, all they're not trying to influence the referee's decision or anything, just commenting that his kit is the exact same shade of black as their manager's pot. Oh yes.
 
Silencio said:
The stupid red should have given Badstuber a straight red for his challenge on Valencia. Bayern were playing dirty football all game, especially trying to stomp on Rooney's foot. The stupid ref also got in Gibson's way when he had a clear shot on goal.
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i have only seen the last 20 minutes of the match but there were at least a not given penatly for bayern and a red card for manu in those (ribery downed in the box and van buyten getting roughed up while ball being away 20 meters)

which is understandably since Manu didn't really get the ball otherwise in the last minutes.. i have seen a bit of german bundesliga and Cup games and i have never seen a team so completly fall apart with 1 man being down against Bayern.. normally a team mobilizes everything especially when they have to shoot another goal
in such a situation coaching from the sideline is critical ... even more so if your team looks like it has never had a training session 10vs11.. it seemed that Manu is so used to getting the referee advantage that they don't even bother practice ... and still Ferguson still somehow sat around silent
and leaving a Robben completly unguarded at a corner ?... that is not "being careless" .. it's flat out stupid
and why substitute in Berbatov ? .. there are dozens of strikers with his playing style in the german Bundesliga ... Ferguson was obviously asleep there

it looks like this season Manu simply was too much of a 1-man-team ... the focus is simply too much on Rooney .. and him alone
 
Jaffa Cake said:
Our managerial Knight of the Realm continued his complaints in a further post-match interview...

"It was typical professionalism in a way but they saw the opportunity and they almost forced the referee to get the card out - the referee wasn't going to do anything. But we've seen it before from teams like that."

Teams like that?

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Of course, all they're not trying to influence the referee's decision or anything, just commenting that his kit is the exact same shade of black as their manager's pot. Oh yes.
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Just pointing out that he and his dopey assistant are going to be demoted.:)

takao,

One-man team - Rooney is needed to play that system at the level required, change the system and they are no longer tied to him.

Bayern at Old Trafford - if you can, watch the whole game following van Bommel.

Cheers,
OW
 
Jaffa Cake said:
Of course, all they're not trying to influence the referee's decision or anything, just commenting that his kit is the exact same shade of black as their manager's pot. Oh yes.
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That's a bit unfair Jaffa because the picture you showed was for one of the softest penalties I've ever seen even by Mike Dean standards. It was against Portsmouth and given after Man Utd had won an almost softer penalty. Scholes was complaining that the ref was trying to even things out because he felt guilty, and the other players were pointing out that if it was shirt pulling then the same had happened to us and he didn't award it.
All this is completely different from ganging up on the referee demanding that he give a yellow card, to me that is unprofessional. Heck some people call Fetcher unprofessional because he complains when a ref makes a call against him, how is this any different if not worst?

Plus, Van bommel had a tackle on Valencia I think after his yellow that could have gotten another yellow but none of the players started charging the ref to complain.
 
Nieval said:
That's a bit unfair Jaffa because the picture you showed was for one of the softest penalties I've ever seen even by Mike Dean standards.
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Googled up as a recent example, the fact remains though that Manchester United aren't averse to crowding a referee to try to get a decision awarded their way, and it's something they've been doing for years. Roy Keane in particular was partial to a good snarl at the ref.

I'm certainly not saying that they're alone in that, a lot of other teams do it – Arsenal have had the accusation levelled at them this week following the Karl Henry red card, Chelsea (despite what John Terry may reckon) aren't shy about letting the officials know what they think of them, and Aston Villa had a penalty decision reversed last season after Gareth Barry led a posse of players to have a little chat with the referee.

Ferguson's comments about 'typical Germans' just seem to part of the notion that gamesmanship like this – and stuff like diving, feigning injury and the like – are reserved for those dirty foreign players, we British (and our teams) just don't engage in such terrible behaviour. It's ridiculous of course, our players can bend the rules to their advantage with the best of them – it's just that we often choose not to see it, and those who report on the game frequently gloss over it.

Anyway, it's going to be interesting to see what UEFA make of his comments...
 
XIII said:
Blaugh, whatever.. as oscillatewildly says below, I think Messi dived for the Denilson incident. Say whatever you like about how fair he is, but he rolled around so so much, and got Denilson booked for winning the ball. Second half Eboue broke away from someone and they fell on the floor holding their face. Absolutely no contact, Eboue got booked too. I'm not complaining as I've already said Barcelona deserved their win, definitely.. but it leaves a sour taste which wasn't necessary.

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I'm not saying it was a foul, I'm saying if you look at it closely his ankle gets twisted under Denilson. Thats going to hurt initially and your not going to just jump up from it. The one with Eboue was Busquets (i think) and like I said he does seem to go down easy sometimes and it really aggravates me.
 
Jaffa Cake said:
we British..
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I can't speak for the british but us Irish are the epotime of sportsmanship.. ;):p

Seriously though, everything you've said is spot on and today's game seems riddled with double standards, so much so that it seems the fashionable thing nowadays is for teams' fans to embrace it rather than remain objective.

If only there were more fans like you Jaffa, imagine how classy football would be; some say I'm a dreamer...
(I'm only being nice cause I want in on that ace ice cream you promised earlier)
 
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