Agreed, I'm sure Wenger wouldn't have complained if it had been Arsenal who had played against Wolves reserves on Tuesday.
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Agreed, I'm sure Wenger wouldn't have complained if it had been Arsenal who had played against Wolves reserves on Tuesday.
I'm curious to see how he does. Yesterday there was a story that he had considered a loan move to Club America in the Mexican League, which a lot of people think suits his style more. But apparently the Everton offer trumped it.
Is it unusual to have short-term loans like that in the EPL? How successful are they? Seems to me that, if the player is good enough to get significant minutes, it would mess with the team chemistry when he arrives and again when he leaves.
Next thing you know you'll be wearing a silly hat like him - watch out!
True. All the top managers sound like a bunch of whiners whenever they make excuses or blame someone else for their own failure. The bottom line is that Burnley went out there and played a decent football match, and Arsenal weren't good enough to break them down.
When I'm watching a match as a neutral, Arsenal put on a great show. But losing RVP and Fabregas has ripped the beating heart out of the team. Arshavin is going to have to step it up along with the other players if the Gunners are going to remain in the hunt.
I think some of the blame should go to Man U for charging so much...I know it isn't going to change but it's not Mick McCarthy's fault that they charge 42 quid to go watch a match there.
Plus, time and time again I've heard managers from smaller clubs tell us that they plan their season around the "winnable" games against smaller clubs, and that nobody in the bottom half of the table expects to get points against the top four - but this weekend Wolves are playing a winnable game, so I understand the logic. It's always the same story - if it works, he looks like a genius, if it doesn't he'll get roasted.
From a selfish, USA-centered point of view, the injury crisis at Everton is very good for Donovan because he'll get minutes and probably even starts. I just hope he avoids serious injury...<fingers crossed>
The Mexican league has a significantly slower style of play, which would be an advantage for a speedy player like Donovan, but the Premier League will better prepare him for the World Cup since he'll be tested in a tougher league.
I think that the terms of the loan deal are dictated by the schedule that the MLS keeps, so I think it's unusual that way (maybe the European members here can correct me on that).
As for team chemistry, I think that point is made slightly irrelevant by the severity of the injury crisis going on at Everton. Just getting eleven fit players out on the pitch is a challenge, much less trying to develop chemistry. Donovan is a quality player so I think he can develop a quick understanding on the pitch with his teammates. I'm sure Everton would have preferred a longer loan though, and if they weren't so desperate for players perhaps they would not have done the deal.
By the way, lost in the loan deal talk is the news that Donovan has signed a four year deal with the Galaxy, which should keep him there for the rest of his career I would think. In other words, apart from the odd loan spell Donovan is never going to go to Europe. So now U.S. soccer fans can stop debating about "Will Donovan ever make it in Europe?" and start debating "Why Didn't Donovan ever make it in Europe?".
I wouldn't count on it...
2 1/2 months doesn't seem much, but it might be enough time to get Yakubu, Saha and Anichebe up and running again, and when fit they are quite a force (if we can get Arteta back to serve them, and Cahill back in form to support them from midfield and Jaigelka back for some much needed order in the back).
*** mumble, mumble *** ...but I don't really see how that's going to happen this season... *** mumble, mumble ***
I'm predicting a 2-1 Liverpool win tomorrow. Even in our sorry state we should beat Pompey (nevermind the new manager) but we will leak a goal.
Maybe it's just because I like hearing Wenger complain, but without Cesc I'm going to call a scored draw and more moaning from everybody's favorite Frenchman.
Maybe it's just because I like hearing Wenger complain, but without Cesc I'm going to call a scored draw and more moaning from everybody's favorite Frenchman.
That'd do.
We've nothing to lose tomorrow and everything to gain, so hopefully Brown will go for it and show a bit of boldness with his selection and tactics. Chances are we'll get our arses handed to us on a plate...
...but let's get in their faces and see what happens.
And I for one will be interested to see how that Landon Donovan gets on.
It certainly seems to be that way, a loan for that period of time is unusual but then again MLS players being loaned out to English clubs isn't exactly a common occurrence.
Who knows, it seems to have worked well for Beckham and if it works well for Donovan this sort of arrangement might become a bit more common.
Possibly - it will be interesting to see how it goes. There aren't really too many other players approaching Donovan's quality in our league except for young prospects, so I doubt we'll see too much more of this in the short term. If anything, it could happen with older stars like Freddie Ljungberg.
Although, I'd wager that Columbus' star defender and USA international Chad Marshall would be good enough to at least make the substitute's bench in the Prem - but you're not having him!
(actually I'd love to see him go over there and succeed).
I hope Arsenal have switched their undersoil heating on. I'd hate any of our players to get cold feet.
Today's match official Mr S. Bennett (Kent). Hmm. Not happy with that, but we'll see.
Today's match official Mr S. Bennett (Kent). Hmm. Not happy with that, but we'll see.
I watched the game, and Liverpool really didn't look like they wanted to be there. They really need to strengthen the squad, but where they'll find the money is anyones guess. And even if they wanted to sack Benitez, they couldn't afford to pay off his contract, which he signed in the summer.
They've certainly made a rod for their back with that contract – was it for five years, or am I wrong in thinking that? If it is the case, the compensation package would be huge.
At least the referee was perfect.
At least the referee was perfect.
Hmm. The team's been announced, and once again we're playing without an out-and-out striker.
Blimey, that's a lot of outs...
Blimey, that's a lot of outs...
Pretty long I imagine. I guess it will be a long trip from West London to ...um...other parts of London, for the traveling supporters.
I think our club is officially dead
The administrators obviously haven't got a clue, the supposed saviour consortium hasn't sufficient funds to take over, we're limited to only 20 players despite many of them being only youth team standard, our training ground is full of broken equipment and has been put up for sale, and we're anchored to the bottom of League One without a chance of a point. The only saving grace is that our manager hasn't yet walked, but that can't be far off.
The only reason the winding up order hasn't yet come in is that the League are pushing for us to finish the season first. 126 years of history and it ends like this
The administrators obviously haven't got a clue, the supposed saviour consortium hasn't sufficient funds to take over, we're limited to only 20 players despite many of them being only youth team standard, our training ground is full of broken equipment and has been put up for sale, and we're anchored to the bottom of League One without a chance of a point. The only saving grace is that our manager hasn't yet walked, but that can't be far off.
The only reason the winding up order hasn't yet come in is that the League are pushing for us to finish the season first. 126 years of history and it ends like this
I came in here to comment on the Arsenal-City match, but there are far more important matters to discuss...
More and more clubs down the leagues are finding themselves in severe trouble with finances if County blink out of existence, the way things are they won't be the last to suffer this fate.
I really don't know what to say other than that I hope something can be done to rectify these problems, but I know that it's nowhere near as simple as that. I can sympathise we ourselves faced going out of existence not so long ago, and it's bloody awful watching it happen. You find yourself thinking what you'll do without the team you've supported for a considerable chunk of your life to watch. It's not like you can suddenly switch your allegiances to another club, it doesn't work like that as we all know.
If the worst does happen, then I at least hope that the supporters or someone can maybe reform (in the manner of Aldershot, for example) and try to work their way back up the leagues. At least then County in some form can live on, I suppose.
Keep us posted on what's going on and is there anything set up that supporters of other clubs can do to show their support?
I'd heard that there's a protest march of sorts scheduled through Manchester to the administrators office (or something along those lines).I think our club is officially dead
More and more clubs down the leagues are finding themselves in severe trouble with finances if County blink out of existence, the way things are they won't be the last to suffer this fate.
I really don't know what to say other than that I hope something can be done to rectify these problems, but I know that it's nowhere near as simple as that. I can sympathise we ourselves faced going out of existence not so long ago, and it's bloody awful watching it happen. You find yourself thinking what you'll do without the team you've supported for a considerable chunk of your life to watch. It's not like you can suddenly switch your allegiances to another club, it doesn't work like that as we all know.
If the worst does happen, then I at least hope that the supporters or someone can maybe reform (in the manner of Aldershot, for example) and try to work their way back up the leagues. At least then County in some form can live on, I suppose.
Keep us posted on what's going on and is there anything set up that supporters of other clubs can do to show their support?
After shipping nearly 30 goals already this season, Hughes has been canned in favor of Manchini.
Just putting a different spin on it
In fairness this isn't really a surprise, but I do think that Hughes has been treated poorly, especially since City are only 6 points from 4th place. I wonder if he 'lost the dressing room'...
Fair play, but points are points and they have moved forward under Hughes. While I may be defending him, I actually predicted he'd be the first PL manager to go (in Jaffa's 'Nail your colours to the mast' post) as I didn't think he'd get City to perform, and tbh I don't think he did a bad job. However, managing the 'egos' of certain players is probably beyond himAfter shipping nearly 30 goals already this season, Hughes has been canned in favor of Manchini.
Just putting a different spin on it
In fairness this isn't really a surprise, but I do think that Hughes has been treated poorly, especially since City are only 6 points from 4th place. I wonder if he 'lost the dressing room'...
The problem with billionaire oil types is that if they want something, they're used to getting it exactly as they want. Cars, yachts, homes it doesn't matter, and it's the same when they buy a football club.
They'll have a target set of where they want the club to be, and if the manager doesn't meet those targets then he's out and they'll use their wealth to acquire the manager and players who can fulfil their aims. Just look at Abramovich at Chelsea, if the manager doesn't deliver then Roman takes a very dim view of him.
They'll have a target set of where they want the club to be, and if the manager doesn't meet those targets then he's out and they'll use their wealth to acquire the manager and players who can fulfil their aims. Just look at Abramovich at Chelsea, if the manager doesn't deliver then Roman takes a very dim view of him.
Indeed, guess I'm just feeling a bit sorry for Hughes. Hopefully he'll read this, take pity and apply for the vacancy at S6
While we've seen a Chelsea team win the league under Mourinho, how much credit has to go to Ranieri for setting it off in the right direction?
While we've seen a Chelsea team win the league under Mourinho, how much credit has to go to Ranieri for setting it off in the right direction?
There are similarities between the fates of Hughes and Ranieri. Both were seen as dead men walking when their respective club's new owners showed up, it was a case of when and not if they'd be replaced by the manager the new owner wanted.
Thanks Jaffa. The trouble with this situation is that we all feel so powerless, but knowing that others are aware of what's happening and want us to succeed definitely helps. There is a march on the 23rd December, and it's great to see the lads getting organised and trying to engage the media more than anything. There appears to be an effort amongst interested parties to suppress news on just how bad things have got, with a vocally supportive local radio journalist now under suspension for unspecified reasons, so any noise we can make in an attempt to embarrass those responsible will at least make us feel better even if it doesn't help in the long run.
Details of the march are still being finalised even at this late stage, but there is a blogsite set up to keep people informed here. Thanks to that whole debacle with the Ground for a Pound "ring-fenced" money that ended up being (IMO) fraudulently spent by the previous club management I wouldn't be surprised if nobody wanted to help, but at the same time we have to get out of this paralysis or it really is game over. Whatever happens I think our more than a century at Edgeley Park has come to an end. There's too much bad feeling between our fans and the owners of Sale Sharks RFC, who most of us blame for the situation we're now in. If we are around next season I hope the League will allow us to temporarily relocate to Macc Town until we get somewhere in Stockport sorted. I think it's more likely we'll be asking the Unibond League instead though
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