pachyderm
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that means nothing though. lots of drivers win in a good car. and that is what JB is doing. God bless and good luck. MS won is a good car and MS won is ****.
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that means nothing though. lots of drivers win in a good car. and that is what JB is doing. God bless and good luck. MS won is a good car and MS won is ****.
benlangdon
macrumors 65816
so... are they done this year or next, this whole thing is really annoying. its like we are all 5 years old.
MOFS
macrumors 65816
Seems we're nearly there, yes.
Autosport said:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/75662
Seems we're nearly there, although it remains to be seen whether the higher budget cap will still attract the new teams. I wonder if they'll commission a company to build some of the non-performance differentiators. That would make sense in my IMHO, tho' what parts that would entail I have no idea. KERS wasn't one I was thinking of, but maybe something else eg steering wheels.
I guess KERS would be the one thing that could be purchased cheaply, maybe from another team or manufacturer. Most of the steering wheels are standard anyway, they all have to run with the MES dash.
It is all a bit silly really and they are behaving like school children. Max should line them all up and give them a good spankin' until they all behave.
pachyderm
macrumors G5
CWallace
macrumors G5
I think a not small motivator in creating FOTA in the first place was the teams were tired of being spanked by Max and/or Bernie every time they "misbehaved". Those two have done very well playing the teams against each other to get what they want and a united approach through FOTA makes that much harder.
Then again, if the 2010 season is just Williams and one or two US-based teams, that means Silverstone and Indianapolis are back on the calendar! 😛
benlangdon
macrumors 65816
thats the funniest thing i have heard all day,
thats not saying much, as i have studied all day, but w/e
pachyderm
macrumors G5
Prodrive just dropped an application. I'm a little surprised after their reluctance to push ahead earlier this year and acquire Honda. Regardless, it should be good to have more teams on the grid next year.
robbieduncan
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With the expectation that they will race as Aston Martin in coming years (but not next year)...
MOFS
macrumors 65816
They were reluctant due to a lack of finalised rules. I presume the amended ones will be ok.
The full list appears to be the current teams plus
Campos Meta 1 will join up with Dallara according to Autosport. Rated **** according to Autosport.
Prodrive/ Aston Martin teaming up with Mercedes.***
USGPE Cosworth engines.****
Litespeed Mike Gascoyne and co. Cosworth engines. Hiring staff now. *
Lola officially submitted proposal. ***
It'll be interesting to see the process. USGPE IMHO have the best chance, and the new markets they offer will be interesting. Prodrive would be interesting to a new "manufacturer" would probably sway it for them. After that, I dunno I don't follow GP2 that closely.😛
CWallace
macrumors G5
benlangdon
macrumors 65816
Why bother to make statements like this? I know you need to keep your reputation, but if they do go off this new raft of teams (as much as I welcome them), as a group will not be up to the same level/standard as the 9 that leave.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/75796
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/75796
MOFS
macrumors 65816
The problem for the FOTA teams is the amount of leverage they have. James Allen believes that Ferrari have a contract to compete in next years championship, similar to the one with Williams. With Ferrari in F1, other teams might stay, with Renault, BMW or Toyota taking this opportunity to leave the sport. It's certainly a tricky situation - we will see how it plays out.
CWallace
macrumors G5
While I have no direct insight into FOTA's motives, I expect the goal of being able to continue to spend lots of money is not one of them.
It is possible Brawn GP's success on a "small" budget is what they fear. The factory teams other then Toyota will all probably spend £40 million or more to both attain parity with where Brawn is now and to improve throughout the year.
If the teams were currently under a budget cap and they had already spent the majority of that to design and produce the car, they'd be unable to do anything and F1 would be in the same situation it was when Schumacher wrapped up the Championship in France 2002 combined with 1988 where the two McLaren drivers won almost every race between the two of them. With such a "low" cap, a team could create a car that is effectively unbeatable.
By demanding a new Concorde Agreement along with a one-year "high cap" transition year, FOTA may be trying to create a pseudo "spec series" which would provide enough rules restrictions to prevent one team from "interpreting" them to the point they could create a car that was untouchable while improving the chances for more teams to win, which really is required to justify the budgets the factory teams are spending now, but also would help justify staying in a cheaper series, as well, since in the end it is all about prestige and image.
It is possible Brawn GP's success on a "small" budget is what they fear. The factory teams other then Toyota will all probably spend £40 million or more to both attain parity with where Brawn is now and to improve throughout the year.
If the teams were currently under a budget cap and they had already spent the majority of that to design and produce the car, they'd be unable to do anything and F1 would be in the same situation it was when Schumacher wrapped up the Championship in France 2002 combined with 1988 where the two McLaren drivers won almost every race between the two of them. With such a "low" cap, a team could create a car that is effectively unbeatable.
By demanding a new Concorde Agreement along with a one-year "high cap" transition year, FOTA may be trying to create a pseudo "spec series" which would provide enough rules restrictions to prevent one team from "interpreting" them to the point they could create a car that was untouchable while improving the chances for more teams to win, which really is required to justify the budgets the factory teams are spending now, but also would help justify staying in a cheaper series, as well, since in the end it is all about prestige and image.
bartelby
macrumors Core
Fizzoid
macrumors 68020
But an enthusiastic cock 🙂
I much prefer his commentating to Jonathan Legard, he just sounds like he wished he'd stayed home
bartelby
macrumors Core
SpookTheHamster
macrumors 65816
People really need to get over that idea. The amount of money it took for Honda to create the car will be astronomical, and even this year Brawn aren't short on cash. If they were struggling don't you think they'd put a bit more effort into finding a sponsor?
CWallace
macrumors G5
Yeah, it is true the car was in development since almost Australia 2008 and I am sure Honda invested a shed-load of money in it. And I know Honda essentially is covering much of the cost of this season since it was cheaper then abrogating all their contracts a year early.
In other news, SPEED TV this morning during practice at Turkey said Force India has joined Williams in submitting a "normal" petition to take part in 2010 so that leaves eight FOTA teams with a "conditional" petition.
CWallace
macrumors G5
Nicely done RBR and SV.
As for Hamilton - Man, I haven't seen an F1 car hunt that badly since the old Jordans. Heiki's car also looked like a handful. Perhaps McLaren should take a page from Brawn and write-off this car and start on 2010...
...assuming they'll be in F1 in 2010...
As for Hamilton - Man, I haven't seen an F1 car hunt that badly since the old Jordans. Heiki's car also looked like a handful. Perhaps McLaren should take a page from Brawn and write-off this car and start on 2010...
...assuming they'll be in F1 in 2010...