2010/11 NHL Season, Stanley Cup Playoffs & off-season Thread

[Reventon]

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Go Canucks! That was a great finish. Hope they bring that intensity into Chicago. Bring the Stanley Cup to Canada.

 

[iApples]

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Go Canucks! That was a great finish. Hope they bring that intensity into Chicago. Bring the Stanley Cup to Canada.

I'd like to see the Canucks win, but that ending was definitely not something they should be proud of. Chicago had all the momentum and almost scored a few times near the end. Luongo bailed them out. Overall, it's by far my favorite series to watch.

 

[LeahM]

If you don't follow hockey, dont try to analyze it. For his entire career, Chara has never been a dirty player. One fluke hit doesn't change that.

Robo, I stick by my team through thick and thin. I know they have faults, as every team does, but I know a goon when I see one.

just because I don't follow every crap that every single player of the nhl takes doesn't mean i don't follow at all. And yea, every bruins game that I've watched, chara is nothing but a goon. 1 or 2 exceptions. by the way, I wasn't even talking about the hit against Pacioretty.
So yea, I'll analyze whatever i want.

 

[iApples]

Robo, I stick by my team through thick and thin. I know they have faults, as every team does, but I know a goon when I see one.

just because I don't follow every crap that every single player of the nhl takes doesn't mean i don't follow at all. And yea, every bruins game that I've watched, chara is nothing but a goon. 1 or 2 exceptions. by the way, I wasn't even talking about the hit against Pacioretty.
So yea, I'll analyze whatever i want.

There is no way Chara is a goon. How could you even say that? Do you follow hockey at all? Chara is a class player and will always be one. It was just an unfortunate play. Nothing dirty, no intent to injure; nothing more than a good hit at a bad time.

 

[Surely]

Chara is a class player and will always be one. It was just an unfortunate play. Nothing dirty, no intent to injure; nothing more than a good hit at a bad time.

Disagree.

No one can actually know what he was thinking at the time, but to me (and many other people) it looked like there was intent and that it was dirty.

More like a bad hit at a bad time in a bad area of the rink (if you think that these players don't know about every little detail of the rink, including where that stanchion is, you're being naive).

Plus, I don't remember Chara being a class player back in his Ottawa days.....

/just sayin'
//this is a fun topic, I'm glad we're talking about it again


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The Blackhawks look like they may have found their groove.....but is it too little, too late? They have to win both games in Chicago, otherwise, forget it.

Pittsburgh looks like they may be in trouble if TB can keep up their play. It amazes me that St. Louis can have dental surgery and then play the 4th most minutes on his team and score 1G + 1A. Having no Crosby or Malkin is really starting to show.

Looking forward to tonight's games.....

 

[bruinsrme]

For dirty hits like that, they could possibly increase the penalty. Instead of a 5 minute major, what if they had a 7 minute major? I'm sure you would think twice about drilling someones head into the boards from behind, as you could blow the game and potentially the series with the hit.

And that goal was a beauty.

Something needs to be done. Having one of the NHL poster child's out for half the season can't help the sport.

Longer penalty, I like the sounds of that but would also like to see it reviewable.

 

[Keebler]

I think Chara didn't do himself any favours when he tackled and gooned Plekanec after the habs went up 2-0 in game 1. There was no reason for it and he only hurt his team b/c they went on the PK right after the visiting team went up a crucial 2-0 with only 4 mins left in the game.

His hit on Pacorietty was dirty and completely retaliatory for the game when Pac scored in OT and ran into Chara. I can't believe there's talk of Pac coming back in the playoffs. A broken vertebrae would scare the crap out of me playing anytime soon. And just think of that - he broke a bone in his neck! He's lucky he's not dead!

The playoffs are interesting. Vancouver is certainly looking strong although the many Hawks miscues make Van look even better, but they're no doubt strong. The East is just a mess of very even teams. I think every series will be long (although I hope my Habs end the Bruins quickly - only out of respect b/c I think Boston is a solid team. I don't hate them nearly as much as i hate the Leafs

 

[zioxide]

Robo, I stick by my team through thick and thin. I know they have faults, as every team does, but I know a goon when I see one.

just because I don't follow every crap that every single player of the nhl takes doesn't mean i don't follow at all. And yea, every bruins game that I've watched, chara is nothing but a goon. 1 or 2 exceptions. by the way, I wasn't even talking about the hit against Pacioretty.
So yea, I'll analyze whatever i want.

Matt Cooke is a goon. Steve Ott is a goon. There's NO WAY Chara is in the same category as those players.

There is no way Chara is a goon. How could you even say that? Do you follow hockey at all? Chara is a class player and will always be one. It was just an unfortunate play. Nothing dirty, no intent to injure; nothing more than a good hit at a bad time.

Bad hit at a bad time, not a good hit.

Something needs to be done. Having one of the NHL poster child's out for half the season can't help the sport.

Longer penalty, I like the sounds of that but would also like to see it reviewable.

Step 1 is to get rid of the ****ing 90 degree angle plexiglass around the benches.

I think Chara didn't do himself any favours when he tackled and gooned Plekanec after the habs went up 2-0 in game 1. There was no reason for it and he only hurt his team b/c they went on the PK right after the visiting team went up a crucial 2-0 with only 4 mins left in the game.

How do you know there was no reason for it? You weren't on the ice. Plekanec was probably being a little bitch like usual and deserved it. **** like that is just part of the game. Stupid penalty by Chara but it wasn't why they lost the game.

His hit on Pacorietty was dirty and completely retaliatory for the game when Pac scored in OT and ran into Chara. I can't believe there's talk of Pac coming back in the playoffs. A broken vertebrae would scare the crap out of me playing anytime soon. And just think of that - he broke a bone in his neck! He's lucky he's not dead!

You are crazy if you think anyone not named Matt Cooke would deliberately try to ram some guys head in to the corner like that.

Must not have been that bad of an injury if he's coming back for the playoffs. Thats about 2 months missed playing time. Crosby has missed 4 already. Bergeron missed a full year before coming back. Those were serious injuries. It seems like Pacioretty's isn't as bad as the frenchies wanted us to believe. Maybe I should call 911 and complain about them embellishing the injury? I mean thats what habs fans would do.

The playoffs are interesting. Vancouver is certainly looking strong although the many Hawks miscues make Van look even better, but they're no doubt strong. The East is just a mess of very even teams. I think every series will be long (although I hope my Habs end the Bruins quickly - only out of respect b/c I think Boston is a solid team. I don't hate them nearly as much as i hate the Leafs

Must not be a real habs fan if you hate the leafs more than Boston.

More like a bad hit at a bad time in a bad area of the rink (if you think that these players don't know about every little detail of the rink, including where that stanchion is, you're being naive).

How come there were other players/former players who came out and said you know where you are on the rink, but stuff happens too fast sometimes to be able to change the result? I believe Roenick was one of them, but I really don't feel like searching for the article again.

 

[runlsd]

I'd like to see the Canucks win, but that ending was definitely not something they should be proud of. Chicago had all the momentum and almost scored a few times near the end. Luongo bailed them out. Overall, it's by far my favorite series to watch.

Luongo didn't play well. All three goals the Blackhawks scored, Luongo could have done better. Towards the end of the game, he wasn't asked too much by the Blackhawks.

I would agree that the ending was rather nervy with Chicago having all the momentum. But the fact that the Canucks found a way to win, going 2-0 up in the series should do well for their morale.

Lots of analysts have said this will be the battle of depth players, assuming the top players will do their part. Chicago's top players haven't exactly done that while the Sedins turned it up a bit tonight.

 

[Surely]

Must not be a real habs fan if you hate the leafs more than Boston.

lol

And iApples must not be a real Leafs fan if he wants to see the Canucks win.

How come there were other players/former players who came out and said you know where you are on the rink, but stuff happens too fast sometimes to be able to change the result? I believe Roenick was one of them, but I really don't feel like searching for the article again.

I think it's because it's like being in a frat: you defend the cool-guy brothers' actions no matter what. However, when it's not one of the cool-guys (Cooke, Avery, Ott, etc.), it's cool to criticize.

Oh, and I don't rely much on what Roenick has to say.

 

[cuestakid]

Ryan having a chat with league

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=362452

the incident

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7MEmL6EqOs


I know Pronger get 8 a while back, but his stomp was more intentional. Then again, I am all for suspending any Ducks player for anything

 

[iApples]

Disagree.

No one can actually know what he was thinking at the time, but to me (and many other people) it looked like there was intent and that it was dirty.

More like a bad hit at a bad time in a bad area of the rink (if you think that these players don't know about every little detail of the rink, including where that stanchion is, you're being naive).

Plus, I don't remember Chara being a class player back in his Ottawa days.....

/just sayin'
//this is a fun topic, I'm glad we're talking about it again

A rink is a rink, there are no 'bad areas' of a rink. He simply finished his check. They have special padding these days (That they used in the Olympics) that go around the medal polls and it prevents injuries like this from happening. Why it's not being used in the NHL? It's beyond me...

I think Chara didn't do himself any favours when he tackled and gooned Plekanec after the habs went up 2-0 in game 1. There was no reason for it and he only hurt his team b/c they went on the PK right after the visiting team went up a crucial 2-0 with only 4 mins left in the game.

His hit on Pacorietty was dirty and completely retaliatory for the game when Pac scored in OT and ran into Chara. I can't believe there's talk of Pac coming back in the playoffs. A broken vertebrae would scare the crap out of me playing anytime soon. And just think of that - he broke a bone in his neck! He's lucky he's not dead!

Chara did it out of frustration and how could he not? It's one of the most heated rivalry's in the playoffs. And he's the captain of his team. He wasn't able to get his guys going and they lost a crucial game. Losing on home ice is bad.. especially when you need to win in the Bell Centre. That's not something easy. And even if Chara didn't take that penalty, they would never have won that game. Montreal was playing much better then they were.

Look at the Capitals and Rangers game 2. At the end the Rangers almost started a line brawl. There's no need for it, but it's out of pure frustration. No team wants to lose. Especially in the playoffs.

Bad hit at a bad time, not a good hit.

There is no bad time to lay a hit. (Unless the player doesn't have the puck) The player has the puck, you finish him off. Was Chara just suppose to stop skating and let him take the puck down the ice and potentially score? No.. You finish your check.

lol

And iApples must not be a real Leafs fan if he wants to see the Canucks win.

I've probably been to more leafs games than you have been to hockey games in general. I rather see a CANADIAN team take home the cup (Except Montreal) rather than a US team.

 

[Surely]

A rink is a rink, there are no 'bad areas' of a rink. He simply finished his check. They have special padding these days (That they used in the Olympics) that go around the medal polls and it prevents injuries like this from happening. Why it's not being used in the NHL? It's beyond me...

Yes there are bad areas of a rink. The players absolutely know where they are. They know where the doors are (and when they are open), they know where the puck doesn't bounce very well, they know where the camera hole is, they know where the benches are when they clear the puck towards the opposing bench, and, of course, they know where the stanchion is.

Don't try to pretend that these professionals don't know the exact layout of the rinks. Especially the rinks of their division rivals. We're not talking about an 11pm pickup game at some rink in North York on a Wednesday night here.

I've probably been to more leafs games than you have been to hockey games in general. I rather see a CANADIAN team take home the cup (Except Montreal) rather than a US team.

Doubtful. I haven't lived in LA for that long. Plus, I didn't realize that the more games you go to, the bigger fan you are.

I'd have no problem with the Flames, Oilers, or even the Habs (I'm legally obligated to show some support for my wife's favorite team) winning the Cup. F the other two teams.

Why don't you go ask a Canucks fan about how much they love Toronto and if they'd support the Leafs if the roles were reversed?

Oh, and chill out dude, there was a after my little joke.

 

[iApples]

Yes there are bad areas of a rink. The players absolutely know where they are. They know where the doors are (and when they are open), they know where the puck doesn't bounce very well, they know where the camera hole is, they know where the benches are when they clear the puck towards the opposing bench, and, of course, they know where the stanchion is.

Don't try to pretend that these professionals don't know the exact layout of the rinks. Especially the rinks of their division rivals. We're not talking about an 11pm pickup game at some rink in North York on a Wednesday night here.


Doubtful. I haven't lived in LA for that long. Plus, I didn't realize that the more games you go to, the bigger fan you are.

I'd have no problem with the Flames, Oilers, or even the Habs (I'm legally obligated to show some support for my wife's favorite team) winning the Cup. F the other two teams.

Why don't you go ask a Canucks fan about how much they love Toronto and if they'd support the Leafs if the roles were reversed?

Oh, and chill out dude, there was a after my little joke.

Do you even play hockey? (And not a men's league, I mean high level of competition hockey?) Players don't focus on 'oh the bench door is open I better be careful' or 'Oh the benches are over there I better stay away'... They focus on WHO is on the ice, not where the doors or benches are. You think Crosby cares when a bench door is open? He's too busy analyzing which defense pairing is on the ice, and which side of the ice he's going to go down on.

There was a game just before the Playoffs started when I guy went to hit a player on Vancouver and he missed and went flying into the bench. Did he know the bench was there? Obviously.. Did he care? No... He went to finish his check.

And the puck bouncing is always different. It depends on how frozen the puck it, and what the temperature is like in the arena. The ice may be softer in some areas and harder in others. What they do know is where the pucks bounces off the boards. But that's pretty obvious as that is all discussed in team meetings before the games. (For the visiting teams)


Normally someone who likes hockey goes to games. That's usually how it works. Unless you can't afford it, but that's a different story.

Do I really care if a Canucks fan would support the Leafs? What does that have to do with me? Nothing at all... Or am I not allowed to support another Canadian team?

 

[cuestakid]

Nashville has been given their chance to take down The Quackers

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=362452

 

[Illuminated]

this flyers game is absurd....powerplay after powerplay after penalty, after powerplay.

 

[Keebler]

How do you know there was no reason for it? You weren't on the ice. Plekanec was probably being a little bitch like usual and deserved it. **** like that is just part of the game. Stupid penalty by Chara but it wasn't why they lost the game.


You are crazy if you think anyone not named Matt Cooke would deliberately try to ram some guys head in to the corner like that.

Must not have been that bad of an injury if he's coming back for the playoffs. Thats about 2 months missed playing time. Crosby has missed 4 already. Bergeron missed a full year before coming back. Those were serious injuries. It seems like Pacioretty's isn't as bad as the frenchies wanted us to believe. Maybe I should call 911 and complain about them embellishing the injury? I mean thats what habs fans would do.



Must not be a real habs fan if you hate the leafs more than Boston.

we'll see who's the b*tch tonight won't we? karma for chara. big guy can't hack it and is out.

maybe he called 911...



no reason for me to hate the bruins more. over the years, they haven't been much of a challenge in the playoffs (except maybe the last time). Before that, chump change

awesome.....I just hit send and Les Habitants scored.

Perfect lol

 

[iApples]

we'll see who's the b*tch tonight won't we? karma for chara. big guy can't hack it and is out.

maybe he called 911...



no reason for me to hate the bruins more. over the years, they haven't been much of a challenge in the playoffs (except maybe the last time). Before that, chump change

awesome.....I just hit send and Les Habitants scored.

Perfect lol

And again! 2-0

 

[Keebler]

And again! 2-0

Oui c'est bonne!

btw, when I was referring to who's going to be the b*tch - just wanted to clarify that wasn't meant at Zioxide, but the bruins.

Man I would LOVE to have a ticket to games 3 or 4 in MTL. my oh my.... 'tis no better rink to watch a hockey game then in MTL.

 

[Apple OC]

I wanted Boston to beat the Habs ... seems unlikely though ... Kaberle is just not playoff material ... I am glad he is out of Toronto

 

[Surely]

Nothing like spending the day at the beach.........

Do you even play hockey? (And not a men's league, I mean high level of competition hockey?) Players don't focus on 'oh the bench door is open I better be careful' or 'Oh the benches are over there I better stay away'... They focus on WHO is on the ice, not where the doors or benches are. You think Crosby cares when a bench door is open? He's too busy analyzing which defense pairing is on the ice, and which side of the ice he's going to go down on.

Did I say focus? No, I didn't. That would be impossible. But they're AWARE of those things......and that includes Chara being aware of the location of that stachion on that play. The amount of preparation that goes into these games is incredible, and that includes learning about the intricacies of the rink. These are professionals we're talking about.

Feel free to comment further about Chara. I'm bored with continuing that discussion, so I won't get involved.....we talked it to death when it happened.

BTW, I'm not even going to bother answering your insulting first question. I'll let you wonder about my hockey background. Also, I think that the regulars in this thread would attest that I know a tiny bit about hockey.

There was a game just before the Playoffs started when I guy went to hit a player on Vancouver and he missed and went flying into the bench. Did he know the bench was there? Obviously.. Did he care? No... He went to finish his check.

What's your point? Yes, he thought he was going to make a hard check. I doubt he put much thought into the result if the opposing player was injured badly. Like what Chara did- he knew the stanchion was there and he drove Pachioretty's head into it at the last second of the hit. He wasn't concerned about the welfare of the opposing player. This is the problem- the players need to be more concerned about the results of their actions......and at the least, take responsibility for them.

I'm all for hard hits, but there needs to be a level of respect and control between the NHL players, otherwise the powers that be will start tinkering with the rules again to make things "safer".

And the puck bouncing is always different. It depends on how frozen the puck it, and what the temperature is like in the arena. The ice may be softer in some areas and harder in others. What they do know is where the pucks bounces off the boards. But that's pretty obvious as that is all discussed in team meetings before the games. (For the visiting teams)

Yes, I know.

Normally someone who likes hockey goes to games. That's usually how it works. Unless you can't afford it, but that's a different story.

That's true, but you were the one who decided to tell me that you've been to "more leafs games than you have been to hockey games in general" as a measure of how great of a hockey fan you are. I never questioned your level of support for hockey.

I've been to my share of Leafs, Blackhawks, and Kings games in my life. Do I think that someone is less of a fan if they've been to fewer games than me? Of course not. Especially in Toronto with the ridiculous prices for tickets.

Do I really care if a Canucks fan would support the Leafs? What does that have to do with me? Nothing at all... Or am I not allowed to support another Canadian team?

Do whatever you want, I don't care. I just couldn't support a team whose fans despised my team and my city. Also, I think that you need to learn what the emoticons mean....I tried to explain that the "" meant that my comment was a joke in my last post, but clearly you didn't get it.


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I wanted Boston to beat the Habs ... seems unlikely though ... Kaberle is just not playoff material ... I am glad he is out of Toronto

I remember hearing (on the radio, during a game, I can't remember) that Kaberle has actually decreased the Bruins' PP efficiency. Interesting how the Leafs' defense started playing better once he left.....

 

[Keebler]

Ole Ole Ole! Solid gameplan Montreal.

Now Boston won't be able to change their lines to get away from Pleckanec in MTL without the last change. saweeet. Doesn't guarantee a Habs win, but puts the game in their favour.

Boston came on hard in the 2nd. I was impressed, but i think Price continously stopping them and the Mtl players knocking 2nd rebounds away deflated them.

Maybe Chara will suck on enough popsicles to play in the next game.

Should be a fun series. far from over, but fun

 

[Surely]

Congrats on the win Keebler........good to see you around these parts again.

 

[iApples]

Oui c'est bonne!

btw, when I was referring to who's going to be the b*tch - just wanted to clarify that wasn't meant at Zioxide, but the bruins.

Man I would LOVE to have a ticket to games 3 or 4 in MTL. my oh my.... 'tis no better rink to watch a hockey game then in MTL.

Yeah I know! It's going to be pretty unreal at the Bell Centre. Like it always is in the playoffs.

 

[zioxide]

Its not looking good for the my bruins charas got the flu or something, and obviously he didnt play tonight. they cant win without him, our defense isn't deep enough.

claude julien is a terrible coach. he has a ton of talent on his roster but he can't make them produce consistently. they just seem like they are outcoached every game, and when the gameplan fails they cant even execute the simplest of ****.

hopefully this embarassment will actually help us in the long run, and we can get some new coaching (and possibly management) in here to take the talent we have on this roster deep in to the playoffs. it's quite possible that julien just coached his last game in the boston garden.



of course, it is hockey, and you never know what could happen. the habs won 2 on the road, the bruins could do it too. stranger things have happened. until its over, im not giving up. lets go bs.