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And you'll also have to agree who is #8 and #9. One is not without more controversy than the other.

Still, opening it up to teams ranked that low still cheapens the championship, IMO. The top two teams settling it is ALWAYS better than any other pair of teams, every time, without exception.





I don't want to watch a story; I want to crown a champion, and I want it to be the best team, not the one that pulls off the most timely upset.

I don't think it cheapens anything. A team might have one bad game halfway through the season and get knocked out of the BCS top two yet still be the best team in the country. Really, a team coming from #8 to win the championship doesn't cheapen anything. The problem as duke and chris pointed out, is who is decided which are the "top two" teams. The BCS formula and human voting have lots of flaws. Many coaches have admitted they have assistants fill out their ballots for the coaches polls. And a lot of east coast media types never even watch the west coast teams play so they have no idea how good they really are.

Look, those who favor a playoff simply want the whole question decided just like every other NCAA sport: on the field. Until then, it will always be just why I have always called it: the Mythical National Championship. It's like some of those "13" national championships that Alabama claims. Some of them were awarded years later in seasons where they didn't even win their conference or a bowl game, yet Alabama still gladly claims them. And really, nobody can stop them, since nothing was every decided on the playing field.

Oh yeah, I do want stories during stuff like the NCAA basketball tournament. As a fan, I watch those games to be entertained, and those schools often provide great games. The story is just a side event.
 
Look, those who favor a playoff simply want the whole question decided just like every other NCAA sport: on the field.

Exactly. Let their ability to win in "crunch time" show who the champion really is. Again, take my example above of a year when, say Oregon, Oklahoma, and Alabama go undefeated and are 1, 2, and 3. Now would you really want who plays in the championship to be decided on paper by a bunch of assistant coaches and sportswriters in a poll, or would you want to see those teams strap it up and get after it in a playoff to see who deserves to be in the title game. And...talking about them possibly being "upset" by a lower seeded team...I'd say if they get upset, then they clearly weren't the number 1 or 2 team, and didn't deserve to be in the title game to start with. Shouldn't the "best two teams" be able to win when it matters?
 
You can't just take the top two teams in a human poll and say they are the best teams definitively.

No, you take two human polls and one computer poll.

How are the basketball teams seeded, then? :rolleyes:

If there was no need for playoffs, why doesn't the NFL just take the best record team from the NFC and AFC and play the Super Bowl two weeks after the last regular season game?

Because the NFL sucks. College football isn't the NFL, and I really hope it never becomes more like it.

Or would it be more fun to watch those teams duke it out on the field in a playoff?

I'll answer that - no, it wouldn't be more fun.

Look, I'm actually an advocate of the old system with the conference-bowl tie-ins. The BCS is, hands-down, the best system ever put in place to make sure the top two teams play for the championship. Expanding the playoff field takes that away.

A team might have one bad game halfway through the season and get knocked out of the BCS top two yet still be the best team in the country.

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Look, those who favor a playoff simply want the whole question decided just like every other NCAA sport: on the field.

Settling it "on the field" includes not having "one bad game halfway through the season." The system as it exists right now does settle it on the field, every week instead of just at the end of the season.
 
No, you take two human polls and one computer poll.

How are the basketball teams seeded, then? :rolleyes:

And how often do all four #1 seeds make it to the Final Four? Not that often. That shows me that the "polls" aren't the most accurate way to gauge a team's ability.

Settling it "on the field" includes not having "one bad game halfway through the season." The system as it exists right now does settle it on the field, every week instead of just at the end of the season.

Ok... In your system, let's say this year, Auburn and Oregon both lost one game, but still won their conferences. Let's say TCU has a loss as well. Now, you tell me who should play for the BCS championship, when you'd have a top 10 of 1 loss teams, with a few conferences having more than one team in that 1-loss grouping. It'd honestly be "better" to basically introduce favoritism in voting into that to let humans decide who the two "best" teams out of that bunch are? :rolleyes:
 
And how often do all four #1 seeds make it to the Final Four?

Hell, I don't know - I don't watch basketball. I can't get behind a 64-team tournament mostly full of mediocrity. But that's exactly why I think the playoff idea is a bad one - put the top four teams in a 4-team bracket, and you might be onto something.

Ok... In your system, let's say this year, Auburn and Oregon both lost one game, but still won their conferences. Let's say TCU has a loss as well. Now, you tell me who should play for the BCS championship, when you'd have a top 10 of 1 loss teams, with a few conferences having more than one team in that 1-loss grouping.

Not enough information - who are the top two teams in the BCS rankings? I'd choose those two.

Like I've said before, it's about more than the records, it's about the rankings.

It'd honestly be "better" to basically introduce favoritism in voting into that to let humans decide who the two "best" teams out of that bunch are? :rolleyes:

Two human polls and six computer polls. You want to expand it? Fine. You have a better way of determining the two top ranked teams? I'm listening.

A playoff doesn't determine it - upsets, by nature, are going to happen, which by definition are contrary to a poll ranking. Does anybody really believe that James Madison is better than Virginia Tech? Seriously?
 
Two human polls and six computer polls. You want to expand it? Fine. You have a better way of determining the two top ranked teams? I'm listening.

A playoff doesn't determine it - upsets, by nature, are going to happen, which by definition are contrary to a poll ranking. Does anybody really believe that James Madison is better than Virginia Tech? Seriously?

What do those computer polls know about football? We are seriously going to assign numerical values to things in football and devise a formula to determine who the best football teams are? Instead of....you know...letting the teams actually play each other? And about the human voters....some of those sportswriters haven't played a down of competitive football to know who to vote for as best team. And the coaches voting....do they have time to watch every game of every team they are voting for, to make the most accurate vote? Or do they spend most of their time getting ready for their own teams's games? And yes upsets do happen, and no, James Madison isn't necessarily "better" than Va Tech, but....if a "James Madison" type team beat VaTech in a championship playoff, could VaTech truly be considered "national championship" team material? And if that "James Madison" type team not only, beat aVaTech in a playoff, but then beat a TCU and finally an Auburn for the championship, are they not national championship material then?
 
Look, I'm actually an advocate of the old system with the conference-bowl tie-ins. The BCS is, hands-down, the best system ever put in place to make sure the top two teams play for the championship. Expanding the playoff field takes that away.



Settling it "on the field" includes not having "one bad game halfway through the season." The system as it exists right now does settle it on the field, every week instead of just at the end of the season.

The problem is it doesn't settle it on the field. Do you really think an undefeated Auburn team in 2004 wasn't one of the two best teams in the country that year? And what about split champions? Remember the 2003 split? Imagine how great it would have been if LSU and USC had played each other. THAT would have been settling on the field, not the crap we ended up with.
 
The problem is it doesn't settle it on the field. Do you really think an undefeated Auburn team in 2004 wasn't one of the two best teams in the country that year? And what about split champions? Remember the 2003 split? Imagine how great it would have been if LSU and USC had played each other. THAT would have been settling on the field, not the crap we ended up with.

EXACTLY it needs to be settled on the field. Thats it. said and done.

and sorry but the ncaa IS ALREADY like the NFL
 
The Bees have lost 5 straight Bowl games :D
Could be 6 when all is said and done
Close game with Air Force and the Bees are turning the ball over as usual ;)

Life is good when the Dawgs win
But when the Bees lose, it is almost as sweet :)
 
^^^ wait, the Yellow Jackets are Georgia Tech? I thought they were Georgia, while the Bulldogs were Tech. I get those two schools confused all the time.





:: stirs pot vigorously ::

:p
 
^^^ wait, the Yellow Jackets are Georgia Tech? I thought they were Georgia, while the Bulldogs were Tech. I get those two schools confused all the time.





:: stirs pot vigorously ::

:p

Its OK, I don't expect a Texas fan to understand too much about College Football ;)

The Bees just fumbled their second punt :p
 
Apparently Air Force let their Falcon go for the pre-game festivities to swoop down onto the field... but after they let him go, he flew away... they can't find him now :eek:
 
Do they REALLY think we are that stoopid?!?

NCAA denies playing favorites

The NCAA defended its recent rulings in violations cases involving Ohio State and Auburn, saying it does not play favorites or make decisions based on financial considerations.

The NCAA posted a statement on its website Wednesday responding to its critics. It says "the notion that the NCAA is selective with its eligibility decisions and rules enforcement is another myth with no basis in fact.

"Money is not a motivator or factor as to why one school would get a particular decision versus another. Any insinuation that revenue from bowl games in particular would influence NCAA decisions is absurd, because schools and conferences receive that revenue, not the NCAA."

Last week, the NCAA suspended five Ohio State players for five games next season for selling their championship rings, trophies and other memorabilia items, but is allowing them to play in the upcoming Allstate Sugar Bowl.

Sugar Bowl executive director Paul Hoolahan told The Columbus Dispatch that he encouraged Ohio State officials to push for the players to be allowed to play Jan. 4 against Arkansas in New Orleans.

"I made the point that anything that could be done to preserve the integrity of this year's game, we would greatly appreciate it," Hoolahan said in Wednesday's editions of the newspaper. "That appeal did not fall on deaf ears, and I'm extremely excited about it, that the Buckeyes are coming in at full strength and with no dilution."

Last month, the NCAA decided not to punishment Auburn quarterback Cam Newton, even though it ruled his father had solicited money from Mississippi State while that school was recruiting his son.

In the Ohio State case, the NCAA said the players -- including quarterback Terrelle Pryor and three other starters -- had been inadequately educated about the rules and that was a mitigating factor in the case.

The NCAA reiterated that point in its statement Wednesday.

It also said bowl games and NCAA championships are evaluated differently when determining a student-athlete's punishment.

"This policy was developed and implemented by the Division I membership, specifically the Division I Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement and approved by the Division I Academics/Eligibility/Compliance Cabinet, in 2004," the statement said.

In the Newton case, the Heisman Trophy winner was allowed to continue playing because there was no evidence that he or Auburn knew about Cecil Newton's attempts to get Mississippi State to pay $180,000 for his son's commitment out of junior college.

The NCAA said Wednesday that efforts are being made to strengthen rules "when benefits or money are solicited [but not received]."

"Put simply, had Cam Newton's father or a third party actually received money or benefits for his recruitment, Cam Newton would have been declared ineligible regardless of his lack of knowledge," the NCAA said.
 
The Big 10 is kicking our asses so far. First Missouri, and now Baylor. Hopefully oSu can break the losing streak.
 
The Big 10 is kicking our asses so far. First Missouri, and now Baylor. Hopefully oSu can break the losing streak.

I hope not, all I need is to listen to all my chatterbox lOSUr friends on Facebook for the next eight months about how they won their bowl game.

Off-topic - hey dmr, the family and I are kickin' it in Austin tonight after visiting the in-laws and doing some shopping. We even drove by the UT campus, and I was surprised, I only hurled twice and **** myself once. :p
 
Off-topic - hey dmr, the family and I are kickin' it in Austin tonight after visiting the in-laws and doing some shopping. We even drove by the UT campus, and I was surprised, I only hurled twice and **** myself once. :p

I'm jealous you're in Austin! I could use a good margarita!
 
Anybody wanna take bets on this?
We should bookmark this and revisit it next year

Jim Tressel: Pryor, others to return

NEW ORLEANS -- Five Ohio State football players suspended for the first five games of next season will return to play for the Buckeyes next year, coach Jim Tressel said Thursday.

The five, including quarterback Terrelle Pryor, vowed to return before Tressel agreed to allow them to play in next week's Allstate Sugar Bowl.

According to the Columbus Dispatch, Tressel said Thursday that he told the players they "have to make any decision based on the future" before the team left for New Orleans. He said that "it wouldn't be fair if someone was able to participate" and then leave for the NFL.

Tressel said the five players -- Pryor, running back Dan Herron, receiver DeVier Posey, left tackle Mike Adams and defensive end Solomon Thomas -- were unanimous in saying they would stay for the 2011 season. All would be eligible for the NFL draft if they had decided to leave school.

"I'm excited to say that all of the guys who were involved, knowing perhaps they had some options like playing in this game and then leaving and maybe another option would be to take themselves out of this game hoping the appeal for the future would be softened, none of them want to do that," Tressel said.

"They are going into this opportunity with their eyes open knowing they have significant sanctions for their senior year. They know they have to live with those."

The players were suspended for the first five games of the 2011 season for selling awards and memorabilia prior to the end of their eligibility. Another player, Jordan Whiting, was suspended for the season opener next year.

So he basically told them they couldn't play in the Bowl unless they said they would come back next year
Of course they would say they are coming back... duh
But what prevents them from changing their minds and going back on their word?
Nothing

Silly
 
Anybody wanna take bets on this?
We should bookmark this and revisit it next year

Jim Tressel: Pryor, others to return



So he basically told them they couldn't play in the Bowl unless they said they would come back next year
Of course they would say they are coming back... duh
But what prevents them from changing their minds and going back on their word?
Nothing

Silly

exactly... dog and pony show
 
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