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I don't know if the NCAA is covering up or if they are just that incompetent. I suspect it's the latter, but they do have reasons for covering up things. A major finding against Auburn coming in the wake of the problems at USC, Ohio State, and Miami would make them and the sport look even worse. It would mean another vacated BCS title, possibly a vacated Heisman, etc.

Personally, I just think it means Auburn hid the money trail very well, and the NCAA was too incompetent to find it.

Agreed on all points. Well said.
 
I don't know if the NCAA is covering up or if they are just that incompetent. I suspect it's the latter, but they do have reasons for covering up things. A major finding against Auburn coming in the wake of the problems at USC, Ohio State, and Miami would make them and the sport look even worse. It would mean another vacated BCS title, possibly a vacated Heisman, etc.

Personally, I just think it means Auburn hid the money trail very well, and the NCAA was too incompetent to find it.

I think it is a mixture of both. Alburn getting away with out any punishment is out of hand and really just the continue fact that the system has been abused for a long time. The NCAA has been to scared to do any real punishment since the SMU death penalty. Yes it is a very harsh punishment and effects all the schools in the conferences but lets be honest if those would be handed out conferences would be much better at policing there own and schools that do violations would be kicked out and not wanted in any conferences.

Alburn is just the latest in a long string. There were so many red flags about Newton that no way in hell that he was not doing wrong.
 
I don't know if the NCAA is covering up or if they are just that incompetent. I suspect it's the latter, but they do have reasons for covering up things. A major finding against Auburn coming in the wake of the problems at USC, Ohio State, and Miami would make them and the sport look even worse. It would mean another vacated BCS title, possibly a vacated Heisman, etc.

Personally, I just think it means Auburn hid the money trail very well, and the NCAA was too incompetent to find it.

Rodimus Prime said:
I think it is a mixture of both. Alburn getting away with out any punishment is out of hand and really just the continue fact that the system has been abused for a long time. The NCAA has been to scared to do any real punishment since the SMU death penalty. Yes it is a very harsh punishment and effects all the schools in the conferences but lets be honest if those would be handed out conferences would be much better at policing there own and schools that do violations would be kicked out and not wanted in any conferences.

Alburn is just the latest in a long string. There were so many red flags about Newton that no way in hell that he was not doing wrong.

Add to that the fact that the NCAA had to know that had Auburn been disqualified from playing in the NC, an Oregon-TCU championship game would have gotten exactly 18 viewers nationwide. As always, follow the money.
 
Add to that the fact that the NCAA had to know that had Auburn been disqualified from playing in the NC, an Oregon-TCU championship game would have gotten exactly 18 viewers nationwide. As always, follow the money.

Yeah, that is part of it. But the biggest problem the NCAA has is that it is not a law-enforcement agency. They can't really issue court orders or subpoenas to any of the parties involved, so it is difficult to dig up evidence. If everyone involved keeps their mouth shut, the NCAA can't do a thing.
 
Why isn't anyone considering kicking out Mississippi State from the SEC? Texas A&M is a great addition. Why go to 14 teams? I say ditch MSU and be set at 12 teams. They are the worst academic institution, provide no benefit in terms of media markets and I can't think of anything they really bring to the SEC...cut 'em out and move on as a stronger/wealthier conference.

The SEC teams should all pitch in $5 million each and give Mississippi State a $60 million parting gift. The Big XII or ACC would to pick them up. Everybody wins!


First, I'm assuming you're an Ole Miss fan who is sick of getting whipped by State, second, the SEC has already agreed that it's not going to kick anybody out.

*Having said that, Mississippi State is by far the weakest link in the SEC chain when you consider academics and athletics budgets and succcess but also because having two teams in the state of Mississippi makes no sense whatsoever. Put it this way, Florida has one SEC school for 22 million residents, Mississippi has two SEC schools for less than three million residents.

Ouch.
 

Meh, it's nothing I haven't heard before. And in reality, That School Up North has performed much worse than us since integration. One of our beat writers a year or two ago compared the two schools' records across all sports, and it wasn't close. Even in football, the records since the 70s were close. The amusing part is that some idiot from Florida wrote the same crap last year...the week before we beat Florida at home.

I do agree about having two SEC programs killing us. I have long said that if we had one dominant program like LSU or Tennessee, it would be a serious threat in the SEC every year. I saw an article a while back where Mississippi was in the top 10 in the country in NFL talent per capita. Seriously: Brett Favre, Jerry Rice, Walter Payton, and Steve McNair were all from this state and played college ball in state. The sad thing is that none of them played at either SEC school. The truly depressing thing is that Jerry Rice is from Starkville! :rolleyes: (Jackie Sherrill supposedly offered McNair a scholarship to play safety, though). And that's not even counting the guys who went to other SEC schools.

I won't even get deep into other sports. Ron Polk put SEC baseball on the map, long before LSU thought about it. We still have the largest on-campus baseball stadium in the country. We own several of the NCAA attendance records for baseball. I can't find the stats, but we are in the top 3 in men's basketball conference titles.
 
Looks like the girls in Austin have made it official: they are either too hardheaded/whiny ("You didn't do what we told you to do so were not playing with you anymore") to play us, or they are just plain ***********. Either way, good riddance*. I hope we can work out a deal to play LSU on Thanksgiving night, instead. I wonder which game (LSU-A&M or UTex-TexTech) would get better ratings? :rolleyes:

Meh, it's nothing I haven't heard before. And in reality, That School Up North has performed much worse than us since integration. One of our beat writers a year or two ago compared the two schools' records across all sports, and it wasn't close. Even in football, the records since the 70s were close. The amusing part is that some idiot from Florida wrote the same crap last year...the week before we beat Florida at home.

Ole Miss acting like they've ever been relevant on the national football scene is hilarious.

*For the record, I think there's going to be too much political/monetary pressure to keep the series dormant for more than a few years...five max...and then it will be back on primetime on TG night.
 
Looks like the girls in Austin have made it official: they are either too hardheaded/whiny ("You didn't do what we told you to do so were not playing with you anymore") to play us, or they are just plain ***********. Either way, good riddance*. I hope we can work out a deal to play LSU on Thanksgiving night, instead. I wonder which game (LSU-A&M or UTex-TexTech) would get better ratings? :rolleyes:

A little bitter I see.
Remember they only have 3 non conferences games per year and chances are they have been laid out threw 2018.
 
A little bitter I see.
Remember they only have 3 non conferences games per year and chances are they have been laid out threw 2018.

Uh huh. Teams like New Mexico, New Mexico St, North Texas, Rice, UTEP, and UCF are impossible to buy out.

Frankly, I don't care whether we play them or not, but ESPN has been shoving it down our throats for the last few months that A&M is the one "ruining college football" and "destroying rivalries". And, if you'll recall, UTex president Bill Powers said just last year that it didn't matter what conference either team was, the rivalry would always go on.
 
Uh huh. Teams like New Mexico, New Mexico St, North Texas, Rice, UTEP, and UCF are impossible to buy out.

Frankly, I don't care whether we play them or not, but ESPN has been shoving it down our throats for the last few months that A&M is the one "ruining college football" and "destroying rivalries". And, if you'll recall, UTex president Bill Powers said just last year that it didn't matter what conference either team was, the rivalry would always go on.


Well ESPN does have one part of the facts right. That is A&M was one of the schools that caused the big 12 to start falling apart but they were a distant number 3 behind UT and OU. The unequal revenue sharing is a huge part of the reason. Either way OU and UT are the ones at the top of the problem. ESPN is a huge reason for those problems as well.

I wish OU demanded that UT give up its network as well and hand it over to the big 12.
Now you could get me going on the land grant funding that UT and A&M abuse by not using it properly in helping fund all State Schools. UT gets 2/3 of it and A&M gets a 1/3 and that 1/3 was a brib from UT to have A&M help block it from getting split up like it should be which is per student and help funding all schools but that is another topic.
 
Wow.

I can't believe they actually did it.

Mountain West Conference and Conference-USA are merging in football only as of 2013.
 
Based on what leverage? Getting rejected by the Pac-12? OU is lucky they got any concessions out of UTSPN at all.

Long term stability of the big 12. UT knows that the rejection at most is only a short term set back it is not a long term one.
A&M left over the network but that is round 2. Round one A&M was part of the problem in unequal sharing and was the start of the break up.
OU gets it that long term stability is key and it is using that pressure to help force UT to give. UT knows that stability is the biggest and best weapon being used against it. Top it off no other conference would allow the network so it would be forced to give it up.
 
I'm having trouble grasping the logic of this MWC-CUSA alliance. It doesn't appear to me to strengthen either conference, nor does it seem to give them a shot at the BCS.

In fact, the only benefit I see to it at all is the addition of a championship game. This one is definitely a headscratcher. :confused:
 
I'm having trouble grasping the logic of this MWC-CUSA alliance. It doesn't appear to me to strengthen either conference, nor does it seem to give them a shot at the BCS.

In fact, the only benefit I see to it at all is the addition of a championship game. This one is definitely a headscratcher. :confused:

They might be counting on a big 12 break up by then which would open up a bcs spot and as such they could take the spot.
 
They might be counting on a big 12 break up by then which would open up a bcs spot and as such they could take the spot.

I think it more likely that they're hoping for a Big East downfall as an AQ conference, and at this point it looks very likely.

The Big East has sent invites to five schools: Boise State, Air Force, Houston, SMU and UCF. Boise State was their highest priority in hopes to bolster the conference's résumé to retain BCS status, but I don't think Boise State will accept the invite. Air Force is a near for-sure no after Navy backed out of talks with the Big East.

I'm not sure about the C-USA schools. They were all apparently on board with this crazy merger, so does that mean they won't be bolting for the Big East?

My opinion is that none of the schools accept their invites. Also, from the reports it sounds like the only way the Big East would be able to get the votes to double the exit fee to $10M was if all the schools accepted the invites, which I highly doubt happens.

So I think the Big East is dead. The remaining membership is going to bolt to wherever they can in AQ leagues.
 
My opinion is that none of the schools accept their invites.

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So I think the Big East is dead. The remaining membership is going to bolt to wherever they can in AQ leagues.

I'm not convinced. UCF has been begging for an invite to the Big East, who also plans to invite SMU and Houston, and I've read that the Big East has also been in talks with Temple about coming back. Don't forget, the Big East already IS an AQ league.

The Big East may well fold, but I don't think it's exactly on life support just yet. It's still a more attractive option than whatever this MWC-CUSA shack-up decides to name itself.
 
Don't forget, the Big East already IS an AQ league.

For now. They only meet two of the three criteria right now, but they're not even close on the third. Their only hope was bringing on Boise State, but I don't think that's happening.

Even if UCF does accept the invitation i think Louisville and West Virginia won't last long.
 
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