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2012-2013 NFL Football Thread

rhett7660 said:
Being an avid hater of the dirty bird, pulling for the Broncos on this one!
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The Falcons finally have an owner, front office, coach, QB and team I can root for consistently

During the Vick years, I walked away
Before that, there were only very inconsistent flashes occasionally back to their beginning, and I have suffered through every season (yep, old enough to remember them all... even Tommy Nobis as their first draft pick)

This is the best run for the Falcons in their history
Hoping for them to make a strong statement

But the 49ers look awfully good, as do the Texans
 
MacNut said:
Usually with 5 seconds left everyone accepts the fact that the game is over. The league said it didn't have a problem with it but you just don't see it done that often. Had Eli been injured on the play or it happened with a 40 point lead then there would be even more yelling about it.

I don't know what it really accomplished, what are the chances of it working.
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I agree that if they ran that play when behind more than one score it would have been pointless. But it could have tied the game. It's like taking a half-court shot at buzzer in basketball. It rarely works, but it's worth a try because once in a while it goes in and changes the outcome of the game.

Queen of Spades said:
Honestly, I'm the last person on earth to agree with the Giants, and I think Tom Coughlin whines after almost every game and should probably shut up more. That said, I thought it was a really lame move by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

1) They had no chance to tie the game if they caused/recovered a fumble with their pile dive. With 5 seconds left, even if they pulled off the miracle, time would have expired. Which makes it a pointless move.
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Had they forced & recovered a fumble and then ran it in in that play, they'd be one PAT away from overtime - the game would be tied. I say it's definitely not pointless, even if the chances of success are small. If, as MacNut suggested, the Giants were up by more than one score, yes, I'd agree with you.

Queen of Spades said:
I'm not a huge fan of unwritten rules, I'm a fan of common sense, and that's my main problem with the move.
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I'm not a fan of them either, and to me the common sense move for Tampa Bay is to use the one play left in regulation to try and force overtime.

As for the injury risk - either you're playing the game or you're not. If you're playing the game, there's always a chance of injury even with a 100% clean tackle. If you're on the field you should be ready to play football, whether it's the first 5 seconds of the game or the last. Nothing that Tampa Bay did suggested they were trying any unnecessary roughness.

I agree that Schiano probably did it because he's trying everything he can to reverse the team's fortunes, but as far as I can see the whole controversy is down to Coughlin & Co being bad winners. If Tampa Bay had pulled it off I guarantee pundits would be tripping over themselves to be the first to congratulate Schiano for his tactics and 'never say die' attitude.

I sound more vehement about it than I really am, but I was annoyed at all the butt-hurt attitudes I saw on TV after the game; big burly men trying to convince me that it was a dirty trick and that 'somebody could get hurt'. :rolleyes: It's fooball for crying out loud! The rules don't change in the last 5 seconds of a game, even if there are silly unwritten 'rules' about taking a knee.
 
Queen of Spades said:
Honestly, I'm the last person on earth to agree with the Giants, and I think Tom Coughlin whines after almost every game and should probably shut up more. That said, I thought it was a really lame move by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

1) They had no chance to tie the game if they caused/recovered a fumble with their pile dive. With 5 seconds left, even if they pulled off the miracle, time would have expired. Which makes it a pointless move.
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Had they recovered the fumble and ran it in the play would count. A lot of things would have to break just right tho and the chances are about 2% of it working. Until every team tries it I am calling this a fluke play.
 
MacNut said:
Had they recovered the fumble and ran it in the play would count. A lot of things would have to break just right tho and the chances are about 2% of it working. Until every team tries it I am calling this a fluke play.
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Fluke? Yes. "Cheap shot"? not in my book. A 2% chance is success is still better than watching you opponent take a knee and win. But I agree that we're unlikely to see this done very often.

MacDawg said:
Apparently everybody on ESPN wants to have Peyton's baby :rolleyes:
Sheesh, enough already
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True -but that's hardly news though. ;)

Meanwhile the Browns look headed for another pointless season. Business as usual in Cleveland.
 
Lord Blackadder said:
I sound more vehement about it than I really am, but I was annoyed at all the butt-hurt attitudes I saw on TV after the game; big burly men trying to convince me that it was a dirty trick and that 'somebody could get hurt'. :rolleyes: It's fooball for crying out loud! The rules don't change in the last 5 seconds of a game, even if there are silly unwritten 'rules' about taking a knee.
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MacNut said:
Had they recovered the fumble and ran it in the play would count. A lot of things would have to break just right tho and the chances are about 2% of it working. Until every team tries it I am calling this a fluke play.
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Manning's knee was down almost immediately (as are almost all QBs knees when kneeling in a victory formation), before the push even got there. The only way the play would have any chance would be if there was a fumble on the snap that sends the ball flying away. The chance is so remote, it's not worth the risk. And yeah, those piles are a breeding ground for rolled ankles and twisted knees. No thanks.

The Bucs should have showed fight and toughness in the 4th quarter when they coughed up a 14 point lead. That last second dog pile doesn't do anything, and I'm sure at some point when they are getting blown out by a good team, they will understand the point of it.

Like I said, it's not illegal, so they can feel free to keep trying it, as long as they're prepared for the repercussions. And I guess this makes the "running up the score" arguments moot forever.
 
Two picks already... nice :)
Falcons, rise up!

Hope the Falcons keep the pressure up
For a team that has had their defense and esp the secondary questioned, they have shown up so far tonight
 
Cleveland looked good on offense this week. Sucked they were missing CB Haden and their other started on defense. Of course the Bengals throw like 3 touchdowns.

Still hopeful for this year in terms of progression for Weeden and Richardson, who looked good this past week.
 
im very surprised at the broncos performance. I didnt expect them to destory, but more than compete. lets see if they can get a score in before the half...
 
Queen of Spades said:
Like I said, it's not illegal, so they can feel free to keep trying it, as long as they're prepared for the repercussions. And I guess this makes the "running up the score" arguments moot forever.
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Fair enough. But I'm going to take the liberty of disagreeing on this. Coughlin is a whiner, and this was more whining than legitimate argument. I think it can be worth it, and I think the injury argument is a smokescreen. But I agree that it's really more of a novelty play.

eric/ said:
Still hopeful for this year in terms of progression for Weeden and Richardson, who looked good this past week.
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I didn't think McCoy looked that terrible last season, it's still odd to see him playing second fiddle to Weeden. Cleveland has not had a go-to quarterback since Bernie Kosar. :rolleyes:
 
Without NFL Films the game would not be what it is today, and without Steve Sabol we would not have NFL Films.
The football world says goodbye to a legend of the sport on Tuesday. Steve Sabol, president of NFL Films, has died at the age of 69 after an 18-month battle with brain cancer.

Sabol took over the mantle as president of NFL Films in 1985 from his father Ed, who founded the company. Steve learned in March of 2011 that he had a brain tumor that could not be removed. He introduced his father during Ed's emotional enshrinement into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in August 2011. Sabol is survived by his wife, Penny, his son, Casey, his parents Audrey and Ed, and his sister Blair.

"Steve was the creative genius behind NFL Films' remarkable work," NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said Tuesday in an email to NFL personnel. "Steve's passion for football was matched only by his talent and energy. He was a major contributor to the success of the NFL, a man who changed the way we looked at football and sports, and a great friend. His legacy is assured.

"Steve was an incredible visionary. He spent 50 years at the NFL and changed the way we see pro football. So when you're watching the games this week, it's worth remembering just how much Steve contributed to the way we think, see, and love our game."

Generations of NFL fans learned to love the game of football through the lens of Ed and Steve Sabol. Steve started out as a cameraman for the company before eventually running it.

"We all realized pretty quickly that Steve was the force behind what we were doing here," NFL Films' head of cinematography Hank McElwee said this year. "The pictures. Big Ed had the idea and he sold the owners on it, but when it came to the actual vision of this company, without a doubt it was Steve. Steve saw things in a unique way that every network is copying right now."

Steve Sabol won over 40 Emmy awards and oversaw 107 Emmys for NFL Films. He was the Sporting News' 2002 "Sports Executive of the Year." He was awarded the Lifetime Achievement Award in 2003. The company broke ground as the first to wire players and coaches for sound. It revolutionized how music was used with sports films. It was the first to use ground-level slow motion and montage editing in sports. So much of what we see in sports television came directly from the Sabols. He straddled the line between artist and executive.

NFL Films was a family company in the truest sense. That's why it feels like the NFL is losing a member of its family today. Sabol and his father spent their lives glorifying the game.

"My dad has a great expression," Sabol said when his father's induction was announced. "Tell me a fact, and I'll learn. Tell me a truth, and I'll believe. But tell me a story, and it will live in my heart forever. And now my Dad's story will be in Canton and hopefully that will live forever too."

The story of the NFL can't be told without Steve Sabol. May he rest in peace.

The family has requested that any donations be sent to the Jefferson Foundation for Brain Tumor Research, c/o Lindsey Walker, 925 Chestnut Street, Suite 110, Philadelphia, PA 19107.
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