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2012 iMac Said to Carry Thinner Design, Alleged Internals Photo Surfaces
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I'm not a huge fan of the AIO form factor since I typically spend a lot on a display and keep it for a long time, but I was actually waiting for an Ivy Bridge iMac. I finally gave up when ML came out.
The Hackintosh is working amazingly well. I had a lot more trouble than I expected setting it up, the community does need to work on the docs a lot better. Once the hardware was ready, it took me about 10 hours to get the OS installed properly. Now that it is, it's perfect, the more difficult stuff like sleep mode and the app store work. It's just like a mac in every way except it's faster than any mac on the market (i7-3770k).
I do a lot of photoshop work on it, but where the mac really shines for me is in what it can do out of the box. I want to load an iso image...mac opens it right up, windows I need to download a utility. Open a zip file, same thing. Over the years I've had the same experience playing DVDs, burning discs, and a thousand other tasks where the mac just does it, windows I need to spend 15 minutes finding a utility for it, usually end up with spyware or a toolbar I don't want and in the best case I just bloat out my windows a bit more.
For that reason alone I'd much rather use macOS than windows, but I'm at the point where mac means I lose USB3, a desktop video card, DIMM memory slots, a decently powerful computer without a monitor that doesn't cost more than a good used car. It's just too many tradeoffs and mac just isn't worth buying anymore. And now this iMac rumour makes it sound so much worse.
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Just...wow...so it's okay if the performance is horrible, the ergonomics make your wrists hurt just thinking about them, they're 3 times the price of the competition, and have far less functionality. As long as they don't look like ****.
I'm just tired of this becoming yet another thread where the "OMG it has to be as thin as a single piece of 20 lb paper even though it's a desktop" crowd argues endlessly that no one in their right mind could ever need a ODD or a large HDD.
If they drop the ODD, shrink the internal HDD, and put an even weaker mobile graphics card in there, I'll probably by a refurb. I don't need thin and light, my desk is made from real hardwood!
35 watts CPU?
when I hear the word thinner, i feel like they are going back to the old days of using Mobile CPUs either may be 25 or 45 watts part
not sure
personally I like to see
1) SSD as default
2) good graphic card (i know it is mobile may be more VRAM?)
3) 8GB of RAM (and max out at 32GB?)
4) and ability to change RAM and Hard drive
5) less glare screen
do not know what else they can do, not much.
when I hear the word thinner, i feel like they are going back to the old days of using Mobile CPUs either may be 25 or 45 watts part
not sure
personally I like to see
1) SSD as default
2) good graphic card (i know it is mobile may be more VRAM?)
3) 8GB of RAM (and max out at 32GB?)
4) and ability to change RAM and Hard drive
5) less glare screen
do not know what else they can do, not much.
Well, each to their own... I find that Logi has plenty of products that match an MBP well. Something that's plain and black tends to do that.
I'm not sure I could say the same about these white peripherals and cables that are a leftover from Apple's white era. They probably would've changed color to match the computers if it hadn't been for those damn white earbuds becoming a huge part of the brand.
MBP + monitor
with the SSD prices fall down large enough (you can get Samsung 830 256GB for $170) I think it is better to go with 13" MBP Plus bigger external screen. We will lose out on the Graphic card (the mobile graphic card)
I think iMac is already going down the demise zone (if it had not already)
Two things i miss on my 2009 iMac (ability to change hard drive and glare) otherwise as it is perfect - I am not a gamer.
with the SSD prices fall down large enough (you can get Samsung 830 256GB for $170) I think it is better to go with 13" MBP Plus bigger external screen. We will lose out on the Graphic card (the mobile graphic card)
I think iMac is already going down the demise zone (if it had not already)
Two things i miss on my 2009 iMac (ability to change hard drive and glare) otherwise as it is perfect - I am not a gamer.
Like so many, you miss the point completely. It is possible to have excellent "industrial design" around a product where the form follows the function. Making a product you will not be carrying around smaller simply for the sake of making it smaller is not "good design". On the contrary, it may actually be "bad design". Ive's designs have almost uniformly had thermal problems because of arbitrary design decisions. Remember the G4 heat problems? How about the G5s, the iMacs and so on.
Functional design and "industrial design" are not mutually exclusive.
Thanks for the reply. I can see we are thinking along the same lines. Aside from the fact that I am comfortable with the OS as you are, it still has advantages over the Win OS to my way of thinking. Also like you, Lightroom and Photoshop are my heavy use apps. Have you looked into a PCIe SSD for your Hack? OWC, among others, have some listed that are supposed to be bootable...and screaming fast, even compared to a SATA 6 GB/S SSD. I am not real clear whether there is even a benefit to having a scratch drive other than to get the wear and tear off your boot drive. I suppose with an adequate supply of RAM and another PCIe SSD as the scratch disk there would be few occasions when you would have a slowdown.
Cheers!
I think there needs to be a fine balance between form and function. If Apple ever made cars, it will probably be the finest looking car ever made, but running on a lawn mover engine.
Okay so we are all squabbling about the loss of CD/DVD drive...
There are still people who have lot of CD's or DVD's *to* burn, while the rest of them seem to have already *done* that and are blissfully living in pure digital world.
There are still software and packages that come as DVD's when you buy commercial pro grade software. And most people have to buy and install them, maybe more than once. Not all of them live in the app store. Lot of them do serious work and need serious software which comes packaged as CD/DVD, ONLY.
What about those people? Have you all morphed into Jony Ive's that a small slit on the side of the iMac is blasphemy? Sheesh...
I am glad I got my iMac recently with a drive and have tons of CD's and DVD"s that I still need to burn/rip. Not to mention 200 GB of other software that only comes on DVD's.
Slimmer iMac is a pandora's box/rectangle. Only time will tell if the form + function held true to its promise and vision.
Lets hope for the best.
Slimmer iMac = Death of iMac
Hope this rumour proves incorrect and that Apple are not changing the form factor of the present iMac substantially.
For all those salivating at the thought of thinner/crippled iMac - please think for a moment, presently, Ivy Bridge does not offer too many advantages over Sandy Bridge - this is specifically so with CPU heat dissipation, Haswell will indeed be different, but Haswell is not out until June 2013.
As such, Apple would have been best advised to just upgrade the Oct. 2009 form factor iMac with USB3, latest Bluetooth, latest wifi, larger HDD or hybrid HDD - both WD and Seagate are offering these - and best mobile GPU be it AMD or NVIDEA.
Any change in form factor should come with Haswell and beyond.
As for SSD, yes it speeds up launching Applications but has many drawbacks, notably costs and limited rewrite lifetime compared to mechanical discs.
Further, a lot of people still use optical drives for ripping/ viewing content - yes its a legacy system, but many have legacy CD's and DVD's - I thought the reason for a AIO was to prevent desktop clutter, Apples idea seems to encourage desktop clutter or use of the cloud - they can stick their cloud up their bum.
The 2011 iMac was and is a good machine, a little long in the tooth now and in need of a revamp, not a change in form factor that effectively gives you a iToy rather than a decent AIO desktop.
If, as suggested by the leaks, Apple are making unnecessary and pointless changes to the iMac that actually cripple it, this is a wrong move - whilst I understand iToys account for a large volume of Apple sales, iOS is not the way forward for many of its uses who kept purchasing Apple in the 90's and early 2000's when many though Apple was beyond repair.
Much as I like their iToy's, serious computing requires serious machines be these Mac Pro's, iMac's or the Mac Mini - now, if they wish to merge the entire line-up into a single powerful box, thats fine by me, however crippling your products just to make them asthetically pleasing for the iToy crowd is a classic blunder - unless of course Apple wish to abandon OSX, in which case, please make it open source and allow others to manufacture powerful desktops that appeal to the old guard!
Hope this rumour proves incorrect and that Apple are not changing the form factor of the present iMac substantially.
For all those salivating at the thought of thinner/crippled iMac - please think for a moment, presently, Ivy Bridge does not offer too many advantages over Sandy Bridge - this is specifically so with CPU heat dissipation, Haswell will indeed be different, but Haswell is not out until June 2013.
As such, Apple would have been best advised to just upgrade the Oct. 2009 form factor iMac with USB3, latest Bluetooth, latest wifi, larger HDD or hybrid HDD - both WD and Seagate are offering these - and best mobile GPU be it AMD or NVIDEA.
Any change in form factor should come with Haswell and beyond.
As for SSD, yes it speeds up launching Applications but has many drawbacks, notably costs and limited rewrite lifetime compared to mechanical discs.
Further, a lot of people still use optical drives for ripping/ viewing content - yes its a legacy system, but many have legacy CD's and DVD's - I thought the reason for a AIO was to prevent desktop clutter, Apples idea seems to encourage desktop clutter or use of the cloud - they can stick their cloud up their bum.
The 2011 iMac was and is a good machine, a little long in the tooth now and in need of a revamp, not a change in form factor that effectively gives you a iToy rather than a decent AIO desktop.
If, as suggested by the leaks, Apple are making unnecessary and pointless changes to the iMac that actually cripple it, this is a wrong move - whilst I understand iToys account for a large volume of Apple sales, iOS is not the way forward for many of its uses who kept purchasing Apple in the 90's and early 2000's when many though Apple was beyond repair.
Much as I like their iToy's, serious computing requires serious machines be these Mac Pro's, iMac's or the Mac Mini - now, if they wish to merge the entire line-up into a single powerful box, thats fine by me, however crippling your products just to make them asthetically pleasing for the iToy crowd is a classic blunder - unless of course Apple wish to abandon OSX, in which case, please make it open source and allow others to manufacture powerful desktops that appeal to the old guard!
God I hope they don't remove the optical (CD DVD) drive just yet. Save that for the next two years, Apple, just don't do it yet this year. The "cloud" is still in its infancy, so for downloading/installing huge software suites (e.g. MS office) I still prefer the option of being able to use those DVD discs.
At the very least, the optical drive *should* be a BTO option. At the very least.
At the very least, the optical drive *should* be a BTO option. At the very least.
"Lets hope for the best." Amen.
Believe it or not, I am a fan of keeping the internal optical drive, but not for the reason you would expect. When there is an internal optical drive, you can take it out and put something useful in its place and use a much better full size external optical drive if you need one.
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+1 to the open source if Apple kills off the computer line!
So when can I buy a Retina MacBook Pro with the unannounced updated heat dissipation stuff?
Kind of seems like this might be the making of an uproar that results in Apple extending return windows/giving $100 gift cards to angry people who bought the machines before the update.
Kind of seems like this might be the making of an uproar that results in Apple extending return windows/giving $100 gift cards to angry people who bought the machines before the update.
Nope, didn't miss the point at all. I guess we will have to wait and see what Ive comes up with. I for one am not prepared to pan the design before it is even announced.
Lets see what they actually do before we start whining about it.
Not whining myself. Just commenting on the speculation. I already have a 27" 2010 and a 27" 2011, so I'm good for a while, no matter what they do.
That's where the Mini comes in, get it and at Apple LCD then change/update the Mini every few years, they are also easier to change the HDD/SSD when the time comes.
If the DVD is dropped I'll just get an external one, how things have come full circle.
About damn time! It would be cool if it looked like the cinema displays
I'm sorry "Thunderbolt" displays.
Excited to see a iMac rumors.
I'm sorry "Thunderbolt" displays.
Excited to see a iMac rumors.
"The report also seems to suggest that Apple will be tweaking the 15-inch model to address a few technical issues such as heat dissipation, but these changes will apparently be made behind the scenes and not be presented to consumers as an updated model."
I wonder when this will happen....????
I wonder when this will happen....????
I've tried SSD before I know how fast it can be, but I'd rather have much larger storage capacity
Right, but grey cables look like dirty white cables and a black cable for a MBP is a bit garish.
It would look out of place, even more with a MBA.