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But the point they're making is that an iMac is a desktop. It's pretty darn thin for a desktop now, and Apple has been having trouble fitting reliable, powerful parts into the last couple of models. Making it thinner will just increase that challenge for no real added user benefit.

The iPad, on the other hand gets carried around and held up in the air while using it. Thinner, and especially lighter are very important to it's function.

Lets see what they actually do before we start whining about it. :)
 
SSD is laptop sized.

SSDs lack the capacity of a hard drive and cost a lot more. Sure they're much faster, but I suspect at this point storage is a bigger concern for most desktop owners. Desktop hard drives come in even higher capacities than laptop ones.

You ignored my point about other compromises.
 
Well then you better start researching the PC you are going to buy. Because Apple has sales numbers to back up how popular or not matte screens were and based on their current trends it is likely not. So you aren't ever likely to get your matte screen even if you gripe for another five years. Learn how to properly light a space or get the damn PC already

This response occurs every time someone mentions matte screens. It's almost - but not quite - as bad as when they mention religion.

I am going to have to investigate - what is it about matte screens that makes certain people leap Rottweiler-like to Apple's defence, jaws snapping and slavering in righteous indignation?

From which Stygian depth of the psyche does this Strangelovian animus lumber from? And who are these Caped Crusaders leaping to Apple's defence like a Medieval Knight spotting a Damsel in a turret at 50 paces?

Do they work for Apple? Has someone put something in the water? Are their iPhones and toys beaming subliminal messages incrementally over time or do they ring Batphone-red - vibrating with anger as the ringtone buzzes "Matte screen, Matte screen - attack attack attack...."
 
Guys, the more I look at that photo the less sense it makes to me. Mind you, I'm not a pixel-peeper and I may be completely off with this, but look at the top.
The container looks pretty tiny even for a 21.5" iMac if you take into account that that's a 2.5" HDD (and we can be sure it's 2.5", just look at the screws). The container's shape (the rounded rectangle with the latches on the top left) also gives the impression that it's really a self-contained thing, rather than something that's part of a bigger assembly; the plastic thing on the right seems to curve and follow the same shape.

Are we sure that we're not looking at a laptop here, perhaps the Retina 13"? No idea why that stethoscope-looking thing would be there in that case, though.

It would be interesting to get someone to translate what the labels say exactly. (I asked a Chinese friend of mine, I'll be sure to post again when she gets back to me.)
 
Would really like to see the rMBP13" at the 23rd event!

But wouldn't Apple make a separate event, if both iMac and rMBP is in the making, and not steal the iPads glow?

Not likely. The 15-inch was announced at developer days (or something with a similar name), not as a separate media event.

The 13-inch is a far less important announcement (because it's just an existing product in a new size). It doesn't merit a press event, but it would be a nice add-on to the Mini in the "and one more thing" vein.
 
Are we sure that we're not looking at a laptop here, perhaps the Retina 13"? No idea why that stethoscope-looking thing would be there in that case, though.

Definitely not, the fan's duct appears to lead to a hole on the back below the Apple logo like on current iMacs, plus theres too much empty space and you can see the back of the cpu socket which looks more like a full size LGA socket and not a soldered CPU like a laptop would be.

Plus theres no battery space and the large board at the bottom must be the PSU as it lines up with where the power socket would be, just like the first iMac G5 PSU.

The large black plastic side parts could also be speakers or additional cooling. ducts.
 
Guys, the more I look at that photo the less sense it makes to me. Mind you, I'm not a pixel-peeper and I may be completely off with this, but look at the top.
The container looks pretty tiny even for a 21.5" iMac if you take into account that that's a 2.5" HDD (and we can be sure it's 2.5", just look at the screws). The container's shape (the rounded rectangle with the latches on the top left) also gives the impression that it's really a self-contained thing, rather than something that's part of a bigger assembly; the plastic thing on the right seems to curve and follow the same shape.

Are we sure that we're not looking at a laptop here, perhaps the Retina 13"? No idea why that stethoscope-looking thing would be there in that case, though.

It would be interesting to get someone to translate what the labels say exactly. (I asked a Chinese friend of mine, I'll be sure to post again when she gets back to me.)

Thats certainly an iMac. Or at least it certainly isn't a 13" MacBook Pro with Retina. It makes no sense for the 13" Retina to have a spinning disk. Also it makes no sense for the iMac to have one either, but apparently it will (I know, larger storage blah blah blah, but SSD/Flash IS the future. And its super ****** fast!). I bet that leaked photo is a base iMac with Intel 4000 graphics or some nonsense....

Here is the pic of the inside of a 15" Retina. Expect the 13" to resemble it a lot, with perhaps 1 fan and a few less batteries (probably will be limited to dual core i5's and just IGP):

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Good to see a rumor surface on the iMac finally. This paragraph from the article intrigued me.


I wonder what is meant by it being so thin from a side profile that one cannot gauge its thickness. What are we talking here, less than a quarter of an inch?
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My guess is that it will be a convex back shell that tapers to a narrow edge, similar to the Air. When you look at it from the side, it will look about an eighth of an inch thick, but at the center, it will be much thicker.
 
This response occurs every time someone mentions matte screens. It's almost - but not quite - as bad as when they mention religion.

I am going to have to investigate - what is it about matte screens that makes certain people leap Rottweiler-like to Apple's defence, jaws snapping and slavering in righteous indignation?

From which Stygian depth of the psyche does this Strangelovian animus lumber from? And who are these Caped Crusaders leaping to Apple's defence like a Medieval Knight spotting a Damsel in a turret at 50 paces?

Do they work for Apple? Has someone put something in the water? Are their iPhones and toys beaming subliminal messages incrementally over time or do they ring Batphone-red - vibrating with anger as the ringtone buzzes "Matte screen, Matte screen - attack attack attack...."

It is simpler than that. It is plain ignorance of the harmful effects of glossy screens on some people's health and productivity. Ignorance is bold. I only wish they experience them in their lives at least once. Then they will suddenly understand for ever!
 
Form v. Function?
You could argue that it is the same thing. The nicer something is to use and look at, the more you will use it, the more productive you will be on it.

How long to you spend looking at the side of your iMac ?
You look at the front of it don't you?

What difference would it make if it was 1mm or 50mm thick?
 
Oh well, I tried. I'm just in denial about the 2.5" disk. :)

Same here. Mainly because I was anticipating flash storage across the board. Once you go SSD/flash you never go back. I rather sacrifice space for speed. If I need space for large video or audio files, I'll put up with an external disk. Just take any moving/spinning hardware other than a fan, out of computers for me at this point. Less moving pats. Less failure.
 
I buy Apple products because they are of the highest quality on the market.

But there not, they are actually one of the WORST for failures and production faults, what apple does is generate "Perceived" quality by making sure the exterior is shiny and the store looks clean and modern, the Apple failure rates per generation are actually really high, and they keep cocking up, its just they do a really good job at covering up the issues,

Oh really? I just signed in to my Consumer Reports online account and clicked on computers. Here's what I found:

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SSDs lack the capacity of a hard drive and cost a lot more. Sure they're much faster, but I suspect at this point storage is a bigger concern for most desktop owners. Desktop hard drives come in even higher capacities than laptop ones.

You ignored my point about other compromises.

iMacs come with a Thunderbolt port (and likely USB3) for a reason. Get an external. People are always complaining how tough it is to get inside an iMac to replace whatever so now you don't need to!
 
Same here. Mainly because I was anticipating flash storage across the board. Once you go SSD/flash you never go back. I rather sacrifice space for speed. If I need space for large video or audio files, I'll put up with an external disk. Just take any moving/spinning hardware other than a fan, out of computers for me at this point. Less moving pats. Less failure.

Ditto. I never used an SSD (always refused to because of the risk of addiction :D), and I was/am hoping for a smallish decently priced SSD, say 256 GB + an external USB3 big disk. That would be very acceptable for me.
 
I bet that leaked photo is a base iMac with Intel 4000 graphics or some nonsense....

I hope not. Apple made a big deal out of the fact that the current base model ships with dedicated AMD graphics, it would be a huge step back for them to go back to shared graphics. But then they've done it before. I remember when they had the 256mb 9400m shared graphics in the base iMac. Lousy!
 
iMacs come with a Thunderbolt port (and likely USB3) for a reason. Get an external. People are always complaining how tough it is to get inside an iMac to replace whatever so now you don't need to!

For Pete sake... the iMac is designed to be an "all-in-one" desktop. If you need all these peripherals on the side then it's not really an all-in-one anymore.
 
There is no need for an iMac to have an built in ODD drive now.

But there is no need for it to not have one, either. The iMac is not battery-powered nor does it need to be smaller for any reason other than aesthetics.

Buy an external. Splurge and get a Blu-ray drive and drop that crappy 480p version.

Well if Apple would be so kind as to add BRD playback into OS X. :D

I admit to missing the point of having an All-in-One desktop that doesn't have all the things in it, but instead requires me to hang optical and high-capacity spinning metal drives off of it via cables because there is no room inside in the "Relentless Pursuit of Thinness".

For Pete sake... the iMac is designed to be an "all-in-one" desktop. If you need all these peripherals on the side then it's not really an all-in-one anymore.

QFT.


At that point, when it comes time to replace my 27" 2011 iMac, I might as well buy an MBP and hang it off my ATD and get the advantage of having portability should I need it.
 
A thinner lighter all glass screen would be great - what would make it really useful would be to perhaps mount it on a really nice metal articulating arm sticking out of a base (perhaps a little discreet dome or something.) Sort of like an angle-poise lamp. You could then position the screen at any angle you can think of with just a finger.

Now I would buy something clever like that...

Oh, wait a minute... ;)
 
For Pete sake... the iMac is designed to be an "all-in-one" desktop. If you need all these peripherals on the side then it's not really an all-in-one anymore.

What about printers then? At the end of the day, I think that many people wouldn't mind a Mac tower + a screen if it were decently priced. Something like a Mac Pro mini...
 
Sorry, but this is "Exactly" what is wrong with Apple

If anything should "SHOUT" form over function, making a non mobile desktop computer (that is build for a serious fast task - computing) thinner just for aesthetic reasons, when it makes no difference to the products usefulness is just utterly idiotic.

Are desks collapsing due to the current iMac weight?
Can you get more iMacs on your desk if the shave another few mm off the thickness?
You you sit side on and think, if only the iMac was a bit thinner?
Do you have trouble positioning the iMac on your desk due to it's thickness?

The iMac is "Supposed" to be the General Public's serious computer (not Mac Pro) it's supposed to be technically excellent.

At the moment, due to Apples insistence on form over function it is limited to laptop chip sets as the case is too cramped and will overheat.
Internal components run HOT, yes they are within tolerance, but still hotter than they need to run. And all heat does is shorten the lifespan of electronics.

Some have suggested the constant yellow screen issues that have plagued the iMas for years is down to the heat/cramped conditions the screen has to sit within.

It just seem crazy to make something, technically worse for visual sake, esp when on a desktop the thickness is a non issue.

An iPhone and iPad and iPod all have to be limited technically in what they can do due to practical size and weight limitations, that is obvious.

An iMac should not be deliberately burdened by those limitations.
Do you really want iMacs always constricted to be not as good as they could be? Perhaps, who knows, even glued together to save that extra 0.5mm?
I agree that a thinner iMac just for the sake of being thinner isn't necessary and if it ends up with heat issues, that would be bad.

However if the components being used are in fact smaller and/or thinner and run cooler (cough, SSD) since the last update I don't see the harm. I've had to take my iMac to the Apple store for a couple of minor issues and a lighter, thinner model would be very welcome in that circumstance.

Overall if we followed the "don't change anything" line of logic though, I'd still have a giant CRT on my desk and a noisy CPU box under it rather than my semi-svelt, über quiet iMac (going on five years old and still humming along) and a four foot by three foot console TV monstrosity sitting on my living room floor rather than a 1/2" thick flat panel hanging on my wall. Just sayin'. ;)
 
For Pete sake... the iMac is designed to be an "all-in-one" desktop. If you need all these peripherals on the side then it's not really an all-in-one anymore.

I don't.

I don't need an internal or external CD/DVD Drive.

I don't need additional storage over the standard 128GB SSD Apple currently offers.

Maybe you do, but many other people don't anymore. You are mistaking what the iMac was not what it currently will be (if this rumor holds true). If I need any of these I will simply plug in a cable and be good to go. I don't need to iMac to be heavier, bigger, use more power etc. to maybe use a certain thing once or twice a year.

Apple will likely have no more CD/DVD drives in laptops in a few weeks if the 13" rMBP is true (and they drop the current model). What then? It'll just be that silly Pro they sell a dozen of every month.
 
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