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I've been under the same impression for quite awhile now.

And only 2 USB ports? On a "pro" level laptop? By the time you hook up an external hard drive and a wireless mouse, you're out of ports. Oh, and all of your connectivity is stuck on the left side of the laptop, and your ports are so tightly spaced that many USB dongles are too large to be used side by side, so some peripherals only allow you one USB port. Using my wireless mouse and external hard drive at one time is impossible without heavily stressing my ports.

Can I use a bluetooth mouse instead? Yes, but I haven't found a bluetooth mouse that can even compare to my Logitech Anywhere MX. I can also use a USB hub, but why should I have to? I don't want the left side of my laptop to look like it's sprouting an octopus any time I want to have my external hard drive hooked up.

And only one TB port is far from "pro". Once TB externals catch on, how will you use an external monitor and hard drive at once? It practically renders docking useless and makes it a very poor workstation machine.

Asking for HDMI out without an adapter isn't a stretch either. Dongles get excessive and can be a pain. It feels like I'm getting nickel and dimed on a laptop that's already expensive to begin with.

Will I buy the next MBP even if it has these same issues? Who knows. I may wait for Haswell and buy a new MBP then. IMO, OSX can't be beat, so I'm chained to the MBP line, but it sure feels like Apple can make huge improvements with a bit more attention paid to function.

I still love my MBP, but Apple seems to pay great attention to some things, and overlook some of the issues a power user notices every day.

you can chin them together, like FW. TB in the end will be a one conector dock
 
you can chin them together, like FW. TB in the end will be a one conector dock

If your monitor supports TB daisy chaining. My TV that I use to watch movies from my MBP sure doesn't. It requires a MDP to HDMI adapter.

If I want to watch movies now, I hook my external up through USB, and then use the MDP to HDMI for watching movies from the external. That wouldn't work if I had a TB external.

IMO, the TB port has potential, but a "pro level" machine needs more than one. Just because TB can support daisy chaining, doesn't mean you should have to to use multiple peripherals.

You can daisy chain USB with a hub, but does anybody here prefer having one USB port and an external hub over multiple USB ports built into the computer?
 
If your monitor supports TB daisy chaining. My TV that I use to watch movies from my MBP sure doesn't. It requires a MDP to HDMI adapter.

If I want to watch movies now, I hook my external up through USB, and then use the MDP to HDMI for watching movies from the external. That wouldn't work if I had a TB external.

IMO, the TB port has potential, but a "pro level" machine needs more than one. Just because TB can support daisy chaining, doesn't mean you should have to to use multiple peripherals.

You can daisy chain USB with a hub, but does anybody here prefer having one USB port and an external hub over multiple USB ports built into the computer?
The few currently available Thunderbolt external HDDs all have two ports. I guess you could just plug your monitor into the external HDD.
 
Smali makes some excellent points and I would love to see an Apple notebook with those options.

At the same time, if people buy what you give them and there isn't a mass backlash. It is what it is.
 
- No choice of nvidia or amd. What about quadro/firepro where are they?
Didn't look it up and may be wrong but I think there are no quadro/firepro drivers for OSX. Those are specially certified and a lot of work is sunk into those. I doubt getting such drivers for anything but Windows isn't cost effective for the very few people who might actually need them.
And they really don't make any sense as a default option because they are just way to expensive. I really wouldn't have any need for them and many other people also.

I do agree with most of the other points.
I am also very suprised that no brand has picked up on the idea of hybrid SSD+HDD solutions yet. None. I expect that to change with mSATA mini SSDs and Intel SRT which would make a 64GB SSD all you need. Not quite as fast as a big SSD unfortunately.
 
I am also very suprised that no brand has picked up on the idea of hybrid SSD+HDD solutions yet. None. I expect that to change with mSATA mini SSDs and Intel SRT which would make a 64GB SSD all you need. Not quite as fast as a big SSD unfortunately.

Some of the Lenovo Thinkpads can accomodate up to three HDDs. I think the T52 has a mSATA slot, a HDD bay and a "multibay" where you can put a third HD (usually the OD sits there).

Alienware might also offer hybrids.

I doubt we will ever see a hybrid solution in a consumer notebook. It's not a good design for the consumer market. And it will be obsolete in 1-2 years.
 
I forgot to mention this in the other thread but I will do here. No matter what comes next, Ivy, Haswell or whatever. No matter how close the 17W Air or the 35W Pro you think are in performance.

The fact is and will always remain constant. 10 Years ago desktops out performed laptops. 5 years after that still the same case, today we still see the same case.

My point is that they perform faster cause of power consumption and cooling fascilities. Even if laptops get faster, the desktops will too !

The ULV (Air) will never perform as fast a LV (Pro) and a LV won't perform as fast as a desktops.

At least considering the past and looking at the next few years!

Of course there is still a difference. I am merely saying that it's not as stark as it was years ago. Back a year ago, we're still only up to dual-core in our Macbooks and desktops already had quad-core processors. This year we are up to quad-core in Macbooks, and next year, we're very likely going to get quad-core processors in Macbooks that can Turbo Boost to 3.8GHz.

All things considered, our Macbooks of this year also outperform Mac Pro's built 2 years ago, so that's the testament to the gap being closed.
 
Smali makes some excellent points and I would love to see an Apple notebook with those options.

At the same time, if people buy what you give them and there isn't a mass backlash. It is what it is.

The problem is quite a lot of us are heavily invested in Apple or with software which is mac only (though that is less of an issue these days) so we have to buy what we are given or stick with old hardware.

Tbh I'm surprised I didn't get downrated to hell for my post, at the end of the day I do think the macbook pro is a great laptop in general. It could be even better with a few adjustments. Apple does sometimes listen to consumer feedback and that is all I was providing (albeit some opinionated annotations...).

Also I know a lot of people hated the Powerbook G4 but I loved it and never had any of the issues except the heat. Perhaps it's just a nostalgic thing so ignore me there:eek:

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Asking for HDMI out without an adapter isn't a stretch either. Dongles get excessive and can be a pain. It feels like I'm getting nickel and dimed on a laptop that's already expensive to begin with.

Adaptors are a pain, been to too many presentations where people are fumbling about looking for the right adaptor or asking to borrow one.

If they axe the dvd drive, maybe these extra connections can go where the disk slot was. It would be a waste of space if they just left it bare.
 
If they axe the dvd drive, maybe these extra connections can go where the disk slot was. It would be a waste of space if they just left it bare.

The problem is that the motherboard must be extended as well in that case. That takes space away from other innards, e.g. a bigger battery. It's possible but Apple has never been very generous with ports. I guess they prefer the "clean look".
 
You think the 13" will still have a dual core processor? I really hope you are wrong on that. Actually, I am hoping for a slower-clocked quad-core processor for the 13" Pro...add in a slimmer design and I will be a buyer and my trusty ol' 15" Pro (2010) can be retired to a family member. :)

Ivy Bridge at launch will only have Quad-Core's apparently with Dual Core as a POSSIBLE release down the line... I read that somewhere... But i don't remember where
 
I was actually disagreeing with your comment, sorry. You said that "The performance gap between the MBP and MBA is smaller than ever" but indeed it hasn't. If they both run SSD the MBP has a significantly faster processor! They not in the same league.

Let me put it this way, if they both ran HDD then you'd see how slow the Air really is.

I think I was misunderstood. I made that statement in regards to an earlier post (by somebody else) talking about the future of the MBA and the MBP. I was not referring to the MBA vs the MBP in their existing state.

And no, the performance gap is indeed smaller than ever (smaller than before, not small in absolute terms). The MBP now has options for SSDs and the CPUs in the MBA are significantly more powerful than what it had before.

Yes it is true that the MBP does currently sport faster CPUs than the MBA but my post and the post I was referring to were merely speculating about the future products.
 
I want to see retina display on the new MBP, and like others have said, less reliance on adapters. HDMI port straight up - is a no-brainer. And I am not enjoying having to carry around a bag full of adapters. But, I would guess that Apple makes a lot of money on those adapters - the margin on them must be massive.

I hope they keep the same clean design. I don't mind it being a bit thicker, so you can get more into it - TBH current MBP is already pretty slim I would not mind if they did not make it the same thickness as an MBA.

I have a 2010 MBP 13", I love it, upgraded the HD with a 512GB SSD, and maxed out the RAM - but I would be happier with a much better processor to speed things up. Gonna wait for the new model though on the chance I can get the retina display along with the much desired processor improvement. Getting that, possibly USB 3.0 also - has me eagerly awaiting the new release.

What do you think - Q3 of 2012?
 
Love these threads. Wild speculation and dreaming is a good way to pass the time until some tasty leaked info finds its way to the net.

Incidentally I would definitely buy one of these (as long as Lion is fixed by then :p ):

$2499

17 inch Macbook Pro Redesign
1920 by 1200 display
2.7GHz Quad-Core i7-3820QM/IvyBridge GPU 512MB Shared Memory with Quick Sync support
AMD/NVIDIA High Performance Card with 1GB Dedicated GPU RAM
256GB GB SSD Boot (m-SATA)
2x internal HDD slot for expansion up to 1.5TB (pricey due to flooding)
8GB RAM (RAM support up to 16GB, OWC this)
NO ODD (Obvious, DVDSP, IDVD are dead)
3xUSB 3.0 (Thank you Ivy Bridge)
Thunderbolt (obvious)
FW800 (Still there)
Express Card Slot 34

Lighter than 6.8 lbs
Thinner than 1 inches
10 hour battery

Love the SSD and HD combo, that is definitely my hope for the refresh.
 
My top wishes:

Longer battery life
SSD + HDD combo (this NEEDS to happen)
Something about the design to differentiate it from the last two models
USB 3.0
Ivy Bridge


Retina display would be nice.
 
Something about the design to differentiate it from the last two models

In the spirit of the iPhone 4(S): A full glass body.

Since that will be somewhat sensitive, Apple will sell:
- $299/$349/$399 the Aluminum smart chassis with battery charge display
- $499/$599 AppleCare+, with coverage for up to two accidental damage replacements for a $99 service fee

would be fun :D
the pricing is for the different sizes
 
My top wishes:

Longer battery life
SSD + HDD combo (this NEEDS to happen)
Something about the design to differentiate it from the last two models
USB 3.0
Ivy Bridge


Retina display would be nice.

I don't see any SSD+HDD combo occurring. Apple seems content with offering SSDs as an option and the pro models won't lose their optical drives yet. Cannibalization of the Airs (or vice versa) could occur.
 
I don't see any SSD+HDD combo occurring. Apple seems content with offering SSDs as an option and the pro models won't lose their optical drives yet. Cannibalization of the Airs (or vice versa) could occur.

I miss Steve Jobs. I don't claim I fully understand him by just reading his biography, but it seems he wouldn't have cared about cannibalization and have implemented this because he cared so much about innovation. With Tim Cook, I just don't know.
 
i miss steve jobs. I don't claim i fully understand him by just reading his biography, but it seems he wouldn't have cared about cannibalization and have implemented this because he cared so much about innovation. With tim cook, i just don't know.

+1
 
I'd rather there wern't an SSD+HDD hybrid combination, it'll feel outdated in a year or two when all laptops have SSD as standard. Can't see Apple making life harder for themselves like that, I'd imagine they will either maintain high-capacity HDD's or replace the HDD's with SSD's in all products (since it should be cheaper for them to mass produce SSD's since the recent acquisition of Anobit).
 
Don't they do that already on the imac? I don't think it should be very hard then. They can go full SSD in 2-4 years after they do HDD+SSd combo.

A full SSD now will be fantastic but I don't want capacity to be 128gb on the base model. 512gb is the minimum I'm going to need.

When do you think Apple will lower their SSD prices? I wouldn't mind if the refresh has only HDD if the SSD upgrade prices are greatly reduced.
 
Ivy Bridge at launch will only have Quad-Core's apparently with Dual Core as a POSSIBLE release down the line... I read that somewhere... But i don't remember where

Almost. :) Quad cores first, Dual cores a month later. Quad core is said to be April 8 launch. Of course Apple can just wait until May to refresh everything.
 
honestly, I would prefer an A6 with 20 hour battery life to anything Intel has, dynamic switching between the on-cpu PowerVR GPU and the 7690 or 7770 RADEON.
 
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