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2012 Macbook Pro Redesign
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I don't think that is accurate. You will not get "more desktop area". Instead, all of the applications you use will eventually support the retina display, meaning they will utilize imagery that is twice the size, thus everything will appear crystal clear and super crisp. You will not gain additional screen real estate. Actually, if the rumors are true about the 15", we may actually lose screen real estate if they go with 2880x1800 (1440x900 / 2) and do not add an additional option for 3360x2100 (1680x1050 / 2). There may keep the 1680x1050 option, which would be a really tough choice. HiDPI display or precious additional screen real estate?
I probably would not buy the 17" if it did not get the retina-display treatment. The Retina just seems like such a cool feature. But I am kinda toying with it if it does get upgraded to Retina - but the price is a bit steep.
I know there have not been any rumors about 17" in the supply chain. But I have not heard any about iMac displays in the supply chain either and their seems to be a lot of buzz about them being upgrade to Retina display with the Macbbok Pros. But who knows - I would not be surprised if they left the 17" pretty much the same - but upgraded to ivy-bridge. It might be a bit odd though if the 17" had lower specs than the 15". Could even be eliminated. But I suspect it is a niche they do not want to ignore. So they may upgrade it later. But I probably would not wait.
Sorry for my question again: anybody knows if the coming mbp will be released with lion or mountain lion?
Very thanks
Very thanks
Probably Lionit's sounding like a WWDC or close-to-WWDC release for the MBP, and I think Apple or some credible rumors recently said "late summer" (so August, September, or maybe late July) for Mountain Lion
They might offer free upgrades for MBP buyers, though, like they did for Mac buyers starting a few weeks before Lion's release last year
Assuming the new MBP will come with retina (optional or not), what would be so advantageous about it? Everything will look "super crisp and clear", but is that really all there's to it? And would retina be needed for future-proofing your device? I don't think so, right? (Or at least, not yet.)
"Crisp and clear" but also (pending software support) one would be able to choose "smaller, bigger, and optimal" (as one rumor went) so one'd have the choice at all times of more screen real estate or larger text, icons, and media.
Tobias Funke
macrumors 6502a
I disagree. 😀
What if the newest does not have things you need ?!
If this new MBP does not have the things I need and use daily then I will buy a 2011 refurb.
Simple.
Has a macbook pro ever been released in WWDC? and with the rumours circulating will the MacBooks be released on the day or will they be released in the latter?, also wasn't there two updates to the macbook pro line last year!.
Both the iMac I think and the MB Pro receive two updates a year. One which boosts the CPU and GPU and makes other changes like when they moved to quad core and AMD graphics thunderbolt etc, then later in the year they received a CPU bump in speed and maybe HDD space too.
But if they re-design the whole machine then they will launch it at a press announcement.
More screen real estate seems pretty pointless if it requires you to have a pair of reading glasses on you at all times. I'd much rather prefer it on it's "normal" setting then, where everything is the same size as on a "normal" screen, except crisper where applicable.
ThE.MeSsEnGeR
macrumors 6502a
We definitely will. 5 of those pages will be actual discussions/anticipation about the new MBP's, and 195+ pages will be about the repetitive endless arguments about whether the Ethernet port will be taken out or not.
Guys, seriously, wait for 3 more weeks and it'll all be settled in WWDC. For heaven's sake, stop arguing about it!
parish
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But as everything is crisper you'll be able to use smaller fonts yet text will be no harder to read so you will get more content on the screen. Compare a 3GS and a 4/4S or an old and new iPad
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It's been posted elsewhere that the new HiDPI icons in ML aren't all 2x so maybe the 17" won't be going "full retina" (3840x2400) but have a resolution increase to something like 2560x1600 - the same as a 27" iMac and Cinema Display - which on a 17" screen will be pretty close to retina
I think it will be, because the text size is actually smaller, requiring a bit more effort to read.
Meh, I don't think retina is really a must for me. We'll see when the time comes, eh.
skaertus
macrumors 601
Well, if the 15" is going to get 2880x1800, then the 17" can't get only 2560x1600.
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A retina display will make a huge difference on text readability on a Mac. Small fonts look rather blurry on the Mac screen, and that blurriness will disappear with a much higher resolution.
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Great! Just great!
parish
macrumors 65816
well, I guess the big variable here is our eyes - mine aren't brilliant, I wear vari-focal glasses - but I've got an iPhone 4S and my wife has my old 3GS and reading iBooks I can set the font size on my 4S 1 or 2 sizes smaller (depending on the font) than on the 3GS and it is just as easy to read at the same viewing distance.
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Ah, good point, I hadn't thought of that - duh!
Clearly it doesn't to some people, since Apple already sells higher resolution displays in the MacBook Air 11-inch, MacBook Air 13-inch, MacBook Pro 17-inch, and MacBook Pro 15-inch with Hi-Res Glossy Widescreen Display or Hi-Res Antiglare Widescreen Display options. In fact that's the majority of the laptops they already sell. So clearly it doesn't to most people.
Of course UI elements wouldn't be half (or a quarter) the size—that'd be ridiculous.
Additionally, in time developers would tend to make use of the additional flexibility afforded by the choice ("smaller" or "bigger"). For example, a spreadsheet with 55 on-screen rows could have the cell borders be one Retina-pixel wide, and the text be exactly the same size only crisper, so you'd "save 110 vertical pixels" and have ~15% more screen real estate with no loss in readability and the text actually being more readable.
Also, as parish says, clearer, crisper text, images, and UI elements allow (somewhat) smaller sizes to be exactly as readable as bigger, more pixellated elements. For example you could have things be only 10% smaller for the exact same readability, affording you an additional gain in screen real estate. Compounded with the above, and supposing the same effect horizontally, that'd be a ~50% gain in screen real estate with better readability in this case.
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You could probably do the same with a 600 bucks HP computer. Buying a MAC is like buying a Mercedes Benz, a lot of other cars can help you go where you want to go, maybe not as smoothly or pleasantly, but in the end the MAC is a luxury. Is it worth being broke for it? I don't know. I heard Windows is getting rid of three decades of ugliness with Win 8, I would consider other options.
Most of the things people charge are luxury, for most people having any computer period is just a "want"... This Macbook that's on its last leg has lasted me since 08 doing all I do... One of those 600 bucks HPs wouldnt have lasted half that long. Not to mention all the investment I have in Apple software.
Exactly, you get what you pay for. A Mac may be a luxury item, but it will last longer than a $600 PC and do a better job during that time.
What if the Macbook Pro loses its bezel?
Could the 15'' Macbook with edge to edge screen have nearly the form factor of a 13,3''? The lose of ODD could make room for the dedicated GPU combined with more battery.
Personally I think that would be a hell of a laptop and classify for a redesign!
Could the 15'' Macbook with edge to edge screen have nearly the form factor of a 13,3''? The lose of ODD could make room for the dedicated GPU combined with more battery.
Personally I think that would be a hell of a laptop and classify for a redesign!
My prediction for the new Mac Line
MacBook Pro line
17" will stay for a couple more months/years to be the power beast of all laptops. (it will keep the superdrive for now as well)
13" and 15" models will be discontinued and replaced by Air models.
MacBook Air line
11", 13" and a new 15" will be presented. All three will outperform today's MBP's (except for the 17" MBP)
Mac Mini
The usual power boosts. No redesign.
iMac Line
Same as the Mac Mini. No redesign. (and keeps the superdrive for a couple more months)
iMacs could replace Mac Pro's in the recording studio now Thunderbolt is introduced.
The big problem at this point is the noise iMac's produce under pressure.
I hope Apple can find a way to make the iMac silent.
Mac Pro line
Its has to come this summer! Users will go hackintosch and buy a workstation of another brand.
Spoken to people the last months that need to update their studio's ASAP and they won't buy a Mac Pro at this point.
It doesn't even have standard Thunderbolt. Is it going, is it staying??? Apple keeps everybody in the dark to long.
I would like Apple to represent itself in the Pro market.
There are to much rumors on the floor and it's damaging Apple reputation in this field.
On the software part... I like the way FCPX turned out but it's no way as good as FCP7 in most features.
I believe FCPX can be a better application but it was released waaaaaaaaay to soon.
There is no word about Logic's future out there (they dropped the price and added it to the Appstore with some bug fixes)
Aperture is getting bad reviews for sucking up so much power and missing many features that other software offers.
Apple killed iWeb (I didn't use it) and is pushing for new browsing standards.
I would like Apple to introduce a new application for building websites.
Businesses are reorganizing and downsizing rapidly because of economic downfall 🙁
But also because everything is being more and more automated these days. 🙂
Anyway I think Apple could be more open and shouldn't forget those that kept backing them all these years in the spirit of being insanely great.
MacBook Pro line
17" will stay for a couple more months/years to be the power beast of all laptops. (it will keep the superdrive for now as well)
13" and 15" models will be discontinued and replaced by Air models.
MacBook Air line
11", 13" and a new 15" will be presented. All three will outperform today's MBP's (except for the 17" MBP)
Mac Mini
The usual power boosts. No redesign.
iMac Line
Same as the Mac Mini. No redesign. (and keeps the superdrive for a couple more months)
iMacs could replace Mac Pro's in the recording studio now Thunderbolt is introduced.
The big problem at this point is the noise iMac's produce under pressure.
I hope Apple can find a way to make the iMac silent.
Mac Pro line
Its has to come this summer! Users will go hackintosch and buy a workstation of another brand.
Spoken to people the last months that need to update their studio's ASAP and they won't buy a Mac Pro at this point.
It doesn't even have standard Thunderbolt. Is it going, is it staying??? Apple keeps everybody in the dark to long.
I would like Apple to represent itself in the Pro market.
There are to much rumors on the floor and it's damaging Apple reputation in this field.
On the software part... I like the way FCPX turned out but it's no way as good as FCP7 in most features.
I believe FCPX can be a better application but it was released waaaaaaaaay to soon.
There is no word about Logic's future out there (they dropped the price and added it to the Appstore with some bug fixes)
Aperture is getting bad reviews for sucking up so much power and missing many features that other software offers.
Apple killed iWeb (I didn't use it) and is pushing for new browsing standards.
I would like Apple to introduce a new application for building websites.
Businesses are reorganizing and downsizing rapidly because of economic downfall 🙁
But also because everything is being more and more automated these days. 🙂
Anyway I think Apple could be more open and shouldn't forget those that kept backing them all these years in the spirit of being insanely great.
I currently have the high-res anti glare screen on my MBP, and I am counting on upgrading to a retina anti glare come June release, so they better continue to offer it!