What do you guys think the chance of the 13" getting a quad core 35w ivy bridge will be?
I seriously hope it does !
Yes, like the macbook air
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2012 Macbook Pro Redesign
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thanks for explaining that
No Merging Between Macbook Air and Macbook Pro
This is what I think is going to happen to the Macbook Pro 2012.
1. The optical disk drive is going to be gone. There is no question about this one because of what is written in a recent article from AppleInsider:
("They're all going to look like MacBook Airs," one person familiar with the new MacBook Pro designs told AppleInsider.)
2. At this time, technology is not available to make a Macbook Air be as equal or powerful as a Macbook Pro, because it is simply too thin. A Macbook Air would require an ultra low voltage cpu while a Macbook Pro would use a standard voltage cpu. With the optical disk drive removed, Apple would certainly be able to make the 2012 Macbook Pro be more thinner and lightweight, but not as thin as a Macbook Air.
This means 2 things will possibly happen:
A. A thinner, lighter Macbook Pro, with no ODD, dedicated graphics, and a standard voltage cpu, could eliminate the need for the Macbook Air. Therefore, there will be no more Macbook Air, only the Macbook Pro.
B. Apple refreshes the 2012 Macbook Air with an ultra low voltage cpu, Intel integrated graphics, and flash storage, along with the redesigned 2012 Macbook Pro (no ODD, dedicated graphics, standard voltage cpu, Retina Display.
Therefore, there will be no merging between the Macbook Air and the Macbook Pro. Either Apple makes a thinner, lighter Macbook Pro, and removes the Macbook Air. Or Apple makes a thinner, lighter Macbook Pro, and keeps the Macbook Air.
This is what I think is going to happen to the Macbook Pro 2012.
1. The optical disk drive is going to be gone. There is no question about this one because of what is written in a recent article from AppleInsider:
("They're all going to look like MacBook Airs," one person familiar with the new MacBook Pro designs told AppleInsider.)
2. At this time, technology is not available to make a Macbook Air be as equal or powerful as a Macbook Pro, because it is simply too thin. A Macbook Air would require an ultra low voltage cpu while a Macbook Pro would use a standard voltage cpu. With the optical disk drive removed, Apple would certainly be able to make the 2012 Macbook Pro be more thinner and lightweight, but not as thin as a Macbook Air.
This means 2 things will possibly happen:
A. A thinner, lighter Macbook Pro, with no ODD, dedicated graphics, and a standard voltage cpu, could eliminate the need for the Macbook Air. Therefore, there will be no more Macbook Air, only the Macbook Pro.
B. Apple refreshes the 2012 Macbook Air with an ultra low voltage cpu, Intel integrated graphics, and flash storage, along with the redesigned 2012 Macbook Pro (no ODD, dedicated graphics, standard voltage cpu, Retina Display.
Therefore, there will be no merging between the Macbook Air and the Macbook Pro. Either Apple makes a thinner, lighter Macbook Pro, and removes the Macbook Air. Or Apple makes a thinner, lighter Macbook Pro, and keeps the Macbook Air.
I hope MacBookPro's to remain a separate line of notebooks, with expandable RAM, 2,5" standard drive, more ports (at least 2 tb and 3 usb3) and the actual design (max 1mm thinner).
Things I can accept to lose from Pro's (13-15-17) with this redesign: ODD, Ethernet+FW800 (replaced by the second thunderbolt and adapters), the ability to carry in 12,5mm drives (now not standard) and stop. Differences between 13" Air and 13" Pro are many: 35W processors (there should be a 2,1Ghz Quad Core, with 650MHz GPU in this TDP class, when the 17W ones max at 2.0GHz dual core with 350MHz GPU), mSATA SSD + 2,5" standard drive, RAM up to 16GB instead of 8GB, and the ability to run intensive tasks for a long time whitout run fan at incredible speeds, more battery life.
The optimal solution for me would be to merge the 13-15-17 into a 14-16 line, but I doubt this happening. A thinner 14 with the same weight of 13, mSATA SSD + 2,5" drive and a discrete low-end GPU (in the high-end configuration, look at new mini) can be an alternative for all 13" and part of the actual low-end 15" users. A thinner 16" without ODD can carry in one mSATA and 2 2,5" drives, and it can replace high-end-15 and 17 models, so there's a continuos line from 11 to 16. But it's only my hope. I can be happy if they mantain 13-15-17 pro line, where pro should be pro and not Air.
Things I can accept to lose from Pro's (13-15-17) with this redesign: ODD, Ethernet+FW800 (replaced by the second thunderbolt and adapters), the ability to carry in 12,5mm drives (now not standard) and stop. Differences between 13" Air and 13" Pro are many: 35W processors (there should be a 2,1Ghz Quad Core, with 650MHz GPU in this TDP class, when the 17W ones max at 2.0GHz dual core with 350MHz GPU), mSATA SSD + 2,5" standard drive, RAM up to 16GB instead of 8GB, and the ability to run intensive tasks for a long time whitout run fan at incredible speeds, more battery life.
The optimal solution for me would be to merge the 13-15-17 into a 14-16 line, but I doubt this happening. A thinner 14 with the same weight of 13, mSATA SSD + 2,5" drive and a discrete low-end GPU (in the high-end configuration, look at new mini) can be an alternative for all 13" and part of the actual low-end 15" users. A thinner 16" without ODD can carry in one mSATA and 2 2,5" drives, and it can replace high-end-15 and 17 models, so there's a continuos line from 11 to 16. But it's only my hope. I can be happy if they mantain 13-15-17 pro line, where pro should be pro and not Air.
Hello
Iv'e been debating with myself for a while over MBP vs iMac. Power vs Portability, anyway. If I were to go with the MBP and Apple theoretically put the equivalent AMD chips in the 13' would this be the Fusion? How do they compare to Intel? (talking CPU and GPU, although fusions an APU). I don't do anything that processor intensive but I multitask a lot (currently running Safari 30+ tabs, Mail, iTunes, Twitter, Messages Beta, XCode (with lots of code open), Vuze, Text Edit, Word and Skype. I'm on a 2.0ghz core 2 duo with 8GB ram (early 2009 macmini) and it does this fine (cpu around 40%-70%) and sometimes Gimp. Mainly upgrading to future proof, get a better design, better screen, smaller space taken up and a better GPU (if I upgraded I would do some light gaming). So that's my biggest concern I don't want super mega ultra high settings, just to run games on an ok setting for the next couple years. I understand the 3000 is a lot better than the 9400 and the 4000 is double the 3000. Obviously a dedicated card would be even better but that's not in the budget unless I got a 21.5 inch iMac. Anyway how do the AMD fusion or competing card's integrated graphics compare? Please don't waste time with the whole "If you want to game buy a pc and never use a integrated card" I've been okay gaming on my current mini so it's not really a problem. So how does AMD compare to Intel with CPU's and GPU with whatever would most likley go in the MBP 2012
Thanks and sorry for all the rambling
Iv'e been debating with myself for a while over MBP vs iMac. Power vs Portability, anyway. If I were to go with the MBP and Apple theoretically put the equivalent AMD chips in the 13' would this be the Fusion? How do they compare to Intel? (talking CPU and GPU, although fusions an APU). I don't do anything that processor intensive but I multitask a lot (currently running Safari 30+ tabs, Mail, iTunes, Twitter, Messages Beta, XCode (with lots of code open), Vuze, Text Edit, Word and Skype. I'm on a 2.0ghz core 2 duo with 8GB ram (early 2009 macmini) and it does this fine (cpu around 40%-70%) and sometimes Gimp. Mainly upgrading to future proof, get a better design, better screen, smaller space taken up and a better GPU (if I upgraded I would do some light gaming). So that's my biggest concern I don't want super mega ultra high settings, just to run games on an ok setting for the next couple years. I understand the 3000 is a lot better than the 9400 and the 4000 is double the 3000. Obviously a dedicated card would be even better but that's not in the budget unless I got a 21.5 inch iMac. Anyway how do the AMD fusion or competing card's integrated graphics compare? Please don't waste time with the whole "If you want to game buy a pc and never use a integrated card" I've been okay gaming on my current mini so it's not really a problem. So how does AMD compare to Intel with CPU's and GPU with whatever would most likley go in the MBP 2012
Thanks and sorry for all the rambling
AMD Liano (Fusion) platform is about 30-80% better on the GPU side, and has 1/2 CPU peformance of a Sandy Bridge comparable processor.
The ODD is not the main limiting-factor in terms of thickness. I'm pretty sure the Ethernet port is.
Getting rid of the ODD would allow Apple to taper the MBP a decent amount, but the back-end would have to be almost as thick as the current unibody is.
I personally want Apple to keep the ODD on the 17" and at least one version of the 15". The demand is defiantly still there.
Getting rid of the ODD would allow Apple to taper the MBP a decent amount, but the back-end would have to be almost as thick as the current unibody is.
I personally want Apple to keep the ODD on the 17" and at least one version of the 15". The demand is defiantly still there.
thanks for explaining that
lol Sorry, I should of gone in to more detail. Basically since apple bought out a ram company (or something like that from israel) they can now afford better ram offerings whilst keeping expenses low. This is one major factor since apple won't offer something that is not profitable (many companies don't) it is only natural to predict them offering non-removable ram, which is soldered on the mother-board, as standard on all MBPs (maybe even iMacs).It also is very protable since it 'forces' you to get a higher end model if you want more ram, just like what happens with the air.
It also is very protable since it 'forces' you to get a higher end model if you want more ram, just like what happens with the air.
Lol I was being totally serious. I should have explained it in my first post. However, I disagree with yours. I think Apple makes PLENTY of profit on its RAM upgrades. $200 for $50 of RAM is just cash in their pocket. Granted, if they can produce their own RAM it will be cheaper for them, but that alone isn't a reason to solder it onto the motherboard.
Well thinking like a business man first then an IT man second. I'd say its profit reasons. The reason why I don't see it as necessary cause I had a look at the Zenbook and that is super slim with standard Ram.
What other reasons do you assume then?
If apple starts producing ram in all their devices (major selling points will be iphone and ipad), they'll be making major profit compared to the current upgrades they offer.
What would you like to see in the new MacBook Pro 2012?
The MacBook Pro is due for a major update this year if Apple update cycles can be relied on. There are some rumors flying around that the MacBook Pro range is going to be made similar to the Air range of laptops. True or not, what would you like to see in an updated MacBook Pro.
For me:
A hybrid drive (Like the Seagate Momentus XT) at $250 for a 750GB this should be possible without driving prices too high.
A higher resolution screen.
Better USB / FireWire / Thunderbolt port layout allowing for multiple peripherals with different size plugs to operate at the same time (Right now I have to use an extension cable because the USB ports are too close to each other). And while we are at it lets upgrade the USB 2.0 to USB 3.0
Better Battery Life (Always a plus)
Drop the SD Card slot for a Compact Flash slot or give us the option - Pro Cameras use Compact Flash and they are faster.
Better sound - perhaps using a 2.1 system (Two speakers and a micro sub woofer, would give far better sound).
A dedicated HDMI port
BluRay Drive? Do you think Apple might finally fold on this one?
And lastly a peripheral I would love Apple to consider for the MacBook Pro: How about a docking station that you place your laptop onto and when its connected you can have an external keyboard, hard drives, monitors, magic mouse etc instantly connected to the mac book. Turning the MacBook Pro into a true desktop computer when its placed on the docking station. The dock could also charge the laptop and set it to sync with hard drive back ups and iCloud as soon as you made the simple connection.
Love to hear your ideas...
I'm not sure I'm against the MacBook Pro becoming more like the Air, as long as it still has the performance and capacity I need to do the work I do.
The MacBook Pro is due for a major update this year if Apple update cycles can be relied on. There are some rumors flying around that the MacBook Pro range is going to be made similar to the Air range of laptops. True or not, what would you like to see in an updated MacBook Pro.
For me:
A hybrid drive (Like the Seagate Momentus XT) at $250 for a 750GB this should be possible without driving prices too high.
A higher resolution screen.
Better USB / FireWire / Thunderbolt port layout allowing for multiple peripherals with different size plugs to operate at the same time (Right now I have to use an extension cable because the USB ports are too close to each other). And while we are at it lets upgrade the USB 2.0 to USB 3.0
Better Battery Life (Always a plus)
Drop the SD Card slot for a Compact Flash slot or give us the option - Pro Cameras use Compact Flash and they are faster.
Better sound - perhaps using a 2.1 system (Two speakers and a micro sub woofer, would give far better sound).
A dedicated HDMI port
BluRay Drive? Do you think Apple might finally fold on this one?
And lastly a peripheral I would love Apple to consider for the MacBook Pro: How about a docking station that you place your laptop onto and when its connected you can have an external keyboard, hard drives, monitors, magic mouse etc instantly connected to the mac book. Turning the MacBook Pro into a true desktop computer when its placed on the docking station. The dock could also charge the laptop and set it to sync with hard drive back ups and iCloud as soon as you made the simple connection.
Love to hear your ideas...
I'm not sure I'm against the MacBook Pro becoming more like the Air, as long as it still has the performance and capacity I need to do the work I do.
A Seagate Momentus type drive could be an interesting option. How much of a speed boost you actually get will depend on what you use the MBP for and the actual size of the SSD within the drive.
Apple won't drop the SD card slot. A lot of cameras use it. Also, haven't you heard? Pro cameras are starting to use "XQD Type Memory" which is the replacement for CF but it is not plug compatible with CF cards.
A 2.1 sound system? So you want a mini subwoofer to carry around? Either use headphones or pick a nice pair of speakers to carry with you.
As for the Docking Station idea, Apple won't do it. But there is a solution at hand. The Apple Thunderbolt Display will act as your docking station and you only need to connect a Thunderbolt cable to you MBP. (And power of course which the cable from the display has.)
Apple won't drop the SD card slot. A lot of cameras use it. Also, haven't you heard? Pro cameras are starting to use "XQD Type Memory" which is the replacement for CF but it is not plug compatible with CF cards.
A 2.1 sound system? So you want a mini subwoofer to carry around? Either use headphones or pick a nice pair of speakers to carry with you.
As for the Docking Station idea, Apple won't do it. But there is a solution at hand. The Apple Thunderbolt Display will act as your docking station and you only need to connect a Thunderbolt cable to you MBP. (And power of course which the cable from the display has.)
I currently have a Yamaha Sound Dock for my iPhone that uses the 2.1 principal in a tiny form factor. Essentially what I am suggesting is that this method of creating sound be integrated into the chassis of the Macbook Pro. Although the chassis is not big and box like there is enough space to have a mini sub woofer and with correct ducting built into the chassis (a technique pioneered by Bose Speakers) a far larger sounding bass can be developed. This in combination with high quality tweeters would give a far better sound then the present sound system used in the MacBook Pro's - I didn't say it would be cheap, but it would be nice. Also then you could theoretically have the sound appear to come from the screen by positioning the smaller tweeters in the top lid of the laptop and keeping the micro sub in the main body of the laptop which would also allow for more directional sound and thus less requirement for high volume which would also increase the perceived quality of sound.
On the subject of the CF Card Reader - Perhaps you are right to say the SD card slot should stay, but perhaps more people would use the CF Card Slot then the ExpressCard/34 so maybe the replacement could happen there... (Although this is only available on the 17 inch now)
So, when do we think a NEW MacBook Pro will be released?
I keep waiting and waiting... and continuing to use new high-end, fully specced MacBook Pro's (and MacPro's) at work, but wanting to buy the latest for home. As always. (I'm a freelance graphic designer)
What's the inside knowledge on possible MBP release dates and new tech?
Retina display?
16Gb RAM option?
MacBook Air form factor? (hope not)
USB 3.0?
Suffice to say... when it's announced... this time, I'm ordering.
I keep waiting and waiting... and continuing to use new high-end, fully specced MacBook Pro's (and MacPro's) at work, but wanting to buy the latest for home. As always. (I'm a freelance graphic designer)
What's the inside knowledge on possible MBP release dates and new tech?
Retina display?
16Gb RAM option?
MacBook Air form factor? (hope not)
USB 3.0?
Suffice to say... when it's announced... this time, I'm ordering.
I keep waiting and waiting... and continuing to use new high-end, fully specced MacBook Pro's (and MacPro's) at work, but wanting to buy the latest for home. As always. (I'm a freelance graphic designer)
What's the inside knowledge on possible MBP release dates and new tech?
Retina display?
16Gb RAM option?
MacBook Air form factor? (hope not)
USB 3.0?
Suffice to say... when it's announced... this time, I'm ordering.
According to dozens of threads, April to July is a good time for the next release. As for specs, we don't know, only speculate, in those dozens of threads at least.
16 GB option is possible, since the price has come down.
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Yup, trying to keep these daily when will the MBP's be released and what will be the redesign threads under control
Yup, trying to keep these daily when will the MBP's be released and what will be the redesign threads under control
I would bow, but my back hurts. Okay, a little bow. The cats are back.
Yup, trying to keep these daily when will the MBP's be released and what will be the redesign threads under control
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No matter what happens or when , I still say that there is nothing wrong with the current design.
What is wrong , is the archaic spinning mass , also know as a HDD !
The time for full implementation of SSD`s of varying sizes is now.
I , for one , would not consider buying a MacBook Pro without some size SSD.
It is far to risky to have a conventional HD in a potable device.
I like the "old" design , but then again I`m old ! ( atleast today ) !!
Anyway , what happens will happen , and as always I`m sure it will be good.
Maybe not great , but then again , maybe better than it is now.
Ivy Bridge + SSD + More Ram , all standrad and keep the displays the way they are.
Nobody asked, just my opinion !!
Later ,
Gary
What is wrong , is the archaic spinning mass , also know as a HDD !
The time for full implementation of SSD`s of varying sizes is now.
I , for one , would not consider buying a MacBook Pro without some size SSD.
It is far to risky to have a conventional HD in a potable device.
I like the "old" design , but then again I`m old ! ( atleast today ) !!
Anyway , what happens will happen , and as always I`m sure it will be good.
Maybe not great , but then again , maybe better than it is now.
Ivy Bridge + SSD + More Ram , all standrad and keep the displays the way they are.
Nobody asked, just my opinion !!
Later ,
Gary
No matter what happens or when , I still say that there is nothing wrong with the current design.
What is wrong , is the archaic spinning mass , also know as a HDD !
The time for full implementation of SSD`s of varying sizes is now.
I , for one , would not consider buying a MacBook Pro without some size SSD.
It is far to risky to have a conventional HD in a potable device.
I like the "old" design , but then again I`m old ! ( atleast today ) !!
Anyway , what happens will happen , and as always I`m sure it will be good.
Maybe not great , but then again , maybe better than it is now.
Ivy Bridge + SSD + More Ram , all standrad and keep the displays the way they are.
Nobody asked, just my opinion !!
Later ,
Gary
i would rather have it ship with a hard drive and install a ssd myself. they pretty much rape you when you try to upgrade the memory through them or upgrade to an ssd. if you purchased it on your own its alot cheaper and more down to earch pricing.
- Scrap the ODD and give us hybrid SSD + HDD
- If possible, bump the display of the 15" to 1920x1200 and 17" to 2560x1600 (or 1440, I dunno)
- use the absence of ODD to either slim the design, or increase battery life
- Introduce a ~4lb 15" MBA so customers can choose between size+weight and performance
I'm not sure if this has been said before but as much as I would love to see a redesign between now and summer, it just doesn't make sense. We know in the past that Apple has always provided a free iPod or most recently $100 worth of apps for back to school. It makes more sense if they hold off on the redesign until after this promo, making it an October announcement and November launch for the holiday. That would make it 4 years with the current design.
^ I beg to differ. The reason why they give free iPods and iTunes credit is because of "back to school" promotions. This means that they want to get people to buy it before they go to college. They would want to release the new Pro in summer when students will be thinking about buying laptops! By October and November, students would have bought different computers already.
The ODD will surely go, just look at the description of the mac mini on the apple website
"Mac mini is designed without an optical disc drive. Because these days, you dont need one"
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