2012 Macbook Pro Redesign

[Liquinn]

Im really hoping 2012 model will come out around june/july .. i have a early 2008 and slowly i see its dieing off

I was thinking of upgrading the HD to ssd.. but i think better to just wait.. any comments?

Not sure what to suggest there, do what you feel is right. SSDs make the computer faster but it's hard to say what the best thing is to do something

I'd like Ivy Bridge, Retina Display and 8GB base RAM please Apple - in the next MBP refresh, that would be sweet.

 

[mscice]

Not sure what to suggest there, do what you feel is right. SSDs make the computer faster but it's hard to say what the best thing is to do something

I'd like Ivy Bridge, Retina Display and 8GB base RAM please Apple - in the next MBP refresh, that would be sweet.

if that was the case i would wait will see i guess.

 

[that1guyy]

8 GB RAM standard? I doubt that will happen. Apple is too greedy.

 

[Liquinn]

if that was the case i would wait will see i guess.

A HDD/SSD combo by default would make it more of a Pro machine I would say.

I hope it has a retina display.

If I hate the redesign or new MBPs, I may just buy a refurb on the Apple site when I've played with the new MBPs in person in the Apple store, since it's quite a big purchase.

I'm looking forward to April.

 

[Schtumple]

SSD's still aren't THAT ready for prime time yet... They're still far too expensive for the prosumer/professional market. If the MBP's did carry an XT from now on I'd be very happy to see that, the price of the XT is a bargain if you compare the performance and price next to an SSD that offers the same storage...

 

[Krazy Bill]

SSD's still aren't THAT ready for prime time yet... They're still far too expensive for the prosumer/professional market.

Not ready for the "pro" market? I'd think any pro (whatever that is) could not do without one given prices today. Especially if said "pro" would benefit financially from the speed this technology provides. My SSD has more than paid for itself in this regard.

The facebooking and tweeting general consumers on the other hand... I agree. Hard to justify just yet. (But prices are indeed getting there).

 

[Schtumple]

Not ready for the "pro" market? I'd think any pro (whatever that is) could not do without one given prices today. Especially if said "pro" would benefit financially from the speed this technology provides. My SSD has more than paid for itself in this regard.

The facebooking and tweeting general consumers on the other hand... I agree. Hard to justify just yet. (But prices are indeed getting there).

I'd put myself in the prosumer market, if I wanted an SSD for my laptop, I'd need at least 512GB (at the very least too), they're currently £500(/$800 I guess), I don't really have £500 to blow on something that my 2 XTs in RAID 0 can do for 1/4 the price.

 

[Krazy Bill]

I'd put myself in the prosumer market, if I wanted an SSD for my laptop, I'd need at least 512GB (at the very least too), they're currently £500(/$800 I guess), I don't really have £500 to blow on something that my 2 XTs in RAID 0 can do for 1/4 the price.

Here in the U.S. the 512gb Crucial is $640.

Since buying this SSD 6 months ago ($700) my photographic editing time has been cut considerably. Editing 1000 large RAW photos one at a time in photoshop takes far less time now than it did when loading them from a platter drive. For my purposes this time savings is money in my pocket.

 

[paolo-]

Not ready for the "pro" market? I'd think any pro (whatever that is) could not do without one given prices today. Especially if said "pro" would benefit financially from the speed this technology provides. My SSD has more than paid for itself in this regard.

The facebooking and tweeting general consumers on the other hand... I agree. Hard to justify just yet. (But prices are indeed getting there).

Storage space just isn't there yet. In my mind you need both. Apple needs to be able to ship with a 320GB at the minimum in my mind. Then again 320 will be tight for lots of people. But 300GB drives are 500$, that's like 450$ more than what's in current MBP. It's not going to happen. What's the point of having a thinner computer if you're stuck lugging around an external HDD.

I'm also not sure if Apple would ship a computer with 2 HDD. Under Steve Jobs, that wouldn't have been noob friendly enough. What I can see happening is Apple going the Mac Mini Server/Mac Pro Server direction. Keep the same design for this year. Offer the computer with either a large HDD or smaller SSD at the same price. Also offer a version without the DVD slot with a pre-installed "optibay" two drive setup.

Other wise they could go with a redesign with both an SSD and an HHD and have a considerably smaller computer (SSD drive can get much smaller than the DVD drive). But the thing with this design is that in a year or two it will be kind of useless as SSD prices drop. I don't see Apple changing the model that early.

The other solution is to go with a single SSD that can be swapped for an HDD. And maybe have those computers be in the MBA line (or offer two designs for the 15" MBP). IE, a 15" MBA and keep a 15" MBP with a DVD drive and maybe the optibay/server version.

 

[Schtumple]

Here in the U.S. the 512gb Crucial is $640.

Since buying this SSD 6 months ago ($700) my photographic editing time has been cut considerably. Editing 1000 large RAW photos one at a time in photoshop takes far less time now than it did when loading them from a platter drive. For my purposes this time savings is money in my pocket.

That's great, but until I'm at a level where I can afford to bust out $700 for less storage space than what I've currently got, I'll stick with my RAID XTs, which, for future reference, can, and have handled 800 RAWs in photoshop happily without beach balling.

 

[thundersteele]

Apple could have two slots for blade SSDs (like the ones in the Air), at least in the 15'' and 17'' machines.

Pricing will be tricky though. If they want to keep the current $1800/ $2200 scheme for the 15'', the basic configs might be 128 GB and 256 GB. 500 GB+ will remain expensive though.

Apple probably has a very good idea how much storage "most users" need. My guess is that maybe 70-80% would be fine with 128 GB... in particular with heavy cloud support and online music storage.

I don't think that hybrids are a solution, since they will be obsolete in 1-2 years. On the other hand every garden variety ultrabook will come with SSD storage, and you really don't want your premium high-end model to be slower than the sub $1000 laptops (including the MBA).

If the 2012 MBP comes with SSD only, the best solution for those who need more storage is to wait for the 2013 models. Consumer SSD prices are slowly coming down to $1/GB, and should drop more in the second half of 2012, when the HDD shortage is over and SSD equipped ultrabooks become widely available.

 

[eagandale4114]

For all the stuff about retina it seems that the 17" is already a retina Mac.
http://www.tuaw.com/2012/03/01/retina-display-macs-ipads-and-hidpi-doing-the-math/
Enjoy.

 

[Liquinn]

When is Ivy Bridge due out? April 8th, 2012? That's 5 weeks today. I'd hate to spend a hell of a lot of money on a 17" Macbook Pro only to find out the new one comes out in say 7-8 weeks time.

 

[ddomike]

strategy

Let's think a little! What is Apple's strategy and what are the facts?

- They discontinued the xServe
- They neglect the Mac Pro
- They leave firewire, optical drive, maybe ethernet
= they back out from the professional market

- They create the iCloud
- They transform mac OS to iOS
- They force the thin designs and ssd
- They said: Macbook air is the future of MACBOOKS

Conclusion:

- The new macbook pro will be like a macbook air
- No optical drive, no professional ports, no HDD
- Why should we need big HDD if there is iCloud? - we need little but fast ssd-s

So I think the new macbook pro will be the same as the macbook air, maybe they drop the names and there will be only one line, the Macbooks in 4 sizes, thin design, ssd-s etc.

 

[Liquinn]

Let's think a little! What is Apple's strategy and what are the facts?

- They discontinued the xServe
- They neglect the Mac Pro
- They leave firewire, optical drive, maybe ethernet
= they back out from the professional market

- They create the iCloud
- They transform mac OS to iOS
- They force the thin designs and ssd
- They said: Macbook air is the future of MACBOOKS

Conclusion:

- The new macbook pro will be like a macbook air
- No optical drive, no professional ports, no HDD
- Why should we need big HDD if there is iCloud? - we need little but fast ssd-s

So I think the new macbook pro will be the same as the macbook air, maybe they drop the names and there will be only one line, the Macbooks in 4 sizes, thin design, ssd-s etc.

I guess you're right there. Time will tell.

 

[Burrel]

According to dozens of threads, April to July is a good time for the next release. As for specs, we don't know, only speculate, in those dozens of threads at least.
16 GB option is possible, since the price has come down.

iPad 3, iMac and MBP all will be released in the next 6-8 weeks.

 

[Liquinn]

iPad 3, iMac and MBP all will be released in the next 6-8 weeks.

The iPad 3, sure. What will the iMac and MBP be updated with though? Ivy Bridge?

 

[mcman77]

Let's think a little! What is Apple's strategy and what are the facts?

- They discontinued the xServe
- They neglect the Mac Pro
- They leave firewire, optical drive, maybe ethernet
= they back out from the professional market

- They create the iCloud
- They transform mac OS to iOS
- They force the thin designs and ssd
- They said: Macbook air is the future of MACBOOKS

Conclusion:

- The new macbook pro will be like a macbook air
- No optical drive, no professional ports, no HDD
- Why should we need big HDD if there is iCloud? - we need little but fast ssd-s

So I think the new macbook pro will be the same as the macbook air, maybe they drop the names and there will be only one line, the Macbooks in 4 sizes, thin design, ssd-s etc.

Sadly you could be right. If this is the way forward for mac, the next mac I (hopefully) buy will be my last. Could be imac or macbook but if they carry on turning OSX into iOS i'll stay with mountain Lion max.

OSX use to be for people who, 'think different', now its becoming for people who 'can't think' and need a over simplified os
It is making people stupid IMO

iCould, no thanks, not for me. I hope they don't all have soldered ssdrives.

Edit: Do you think the 15"+ will still have quad core + GPU though in such a thin design?

 

[hamzab]

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Let's think a little! What is Apple's strategy and what are the facts?

- They discontinued the xServe
- They neglect the Mac Pro
- They leave firewire, optical drive, maybe ethernet
= they back out from the professional market

- They create the iCloud
- They transform mac OS to iOS
- They force the thin designs and ssd
- They said: Macbook air is the future of MACBOOKS

Conclusion:

- The new macbook pro will be like a macbook air
- No optical drive, no professional ports, no HDD
- Why should we need big HDD if there is iCloud? - we need little but fast ssd-s

So I think the new macbook pro will be the same as the macbook air, maybe they drop the names and there will be only one line, the Macbooks in 4 sizes, thin design, ssd-s etc.

Sadly you could be right. If this is the way forward for mac, the next mac I (hopefully) buy will be my last. Could be imac or macbook but if they carry on turning OSX into iOS i'll stay with mountain Lion max.

OSX use to be for people who, 'think different', now its becoming for people who 'can't think' and need a over simplified os
It is making people stupid IMO

iCould, no thanks, not for me. I hope they don't all have soldered ssdrives.

Edit: Do you think the 15"+ will still have quad core + GPU though in such a thin design?

If they are removing te Ethernet and FW ports (the 2 largest ports) then I think we may see quite a considerable reduction in thinness, alas, this could mean no to at discrete GPU but I think Apple may be able to squeeze in a Quadcore CPU at the very least.

I'm still of the opinion Apple may launch 2 lines, the MacBook air lines with sizes up to 15" but keep the MBP line separate for those wanting more punch.

 

[Fannoncodder]

Honestly I have about pulled the trigger on a current 15" MPB...


Then I here all of these rumors about the new 2012 models..

I can see both the 15" and 17" including the quad cores there is enough room in the cases for those.

More so I could handle a MBP without the optic drive, it would be different but most of the things I use I can get by with a external and I would be happy, heck if I got a current gen I would have replaced the optic with a second HD anyways.

My bigger concern is that the MBP line which I believe needs to stay as power as it is now, mainly for professionals that travel and still need the power. I program in IOS, develop webpages with CSS, PHP and flash. I even do some minor picture and video editing but that is mainly family stuff. I love the Airs, they are great but I need more in the GPU/HD and power areas. Plus the option for replacing the optic with a second HD is awesome for dual/triple booting into windows and linux.

I found this site and it provides some interesting info - http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/02/the-next-generation-macbook-pro-2012/

IF the new 2012 followed what was said there I would be happy, I would love the MPB with ivy-bridge quad core, ATI HD 7770M... Down fall would be the single SSD and no optic, but if I had to take no optic but have a choice for a 750+ HD I would still be ok.

 

[Liquinn]

When will the MBP go to "Buy only if you need it - Approaching the end of a cycle" status like the Macbook Air is currently on?

And yeah I do agree with the above poster.

I'd kick myself if I spend $2000 on a MBP, only to find out they're being updated 6 weeks or so after that.

 

[joepunk]

I'm still of the opinion Apple may launch 2 lines, the MacBook air lines with sizes up to 15" but keep the MBP line separate for those wanting more punch.

I'll go for that. Maybe even move the low end 15" into the air category (becoming the 15" Air) and leave the higher end 15/17" alone.

 

[that1guyy]

I really wanted to buy a mac for home/personal use for years. I decided the wait for ivy bridge and the chassis redesign would be worth it. I sure hope Apple doesn't disappoint with a completely gutted and crippled macbook pro 15 inch.

 

[StuLax18]

I really wanted to buy a mac for home/personal use for years. I decided the wait for ivy bridge and the chassis redesign would be worth it. I sure hope Apple doesn't disappoint with a completely gutted and crippled macbook pro 15 inch.

If this happens I will

 

[philio32383]

why re-design only 2 of the three models?

All this talk and all we here is about the 13" and the 15". If you look at the time frames, apple could come out with an air that is 15" and there has been talk of that. It would be smart for apple to differentiate their lines. MBA and MBP are two different machines and for two different personalities.

Now if you look the MBA's have 228 days since the last update, and the MBP's are at 132 days since the last spec bump. I could see them releasing MBA's in April with a 15" design or a 14" due to the popularity in asia for the 14". I have heard mention of a release in July for the MBP refresh, and that falls inline with their average update cycle. While an April MBA refresh is consistent with the MBA refresh cycle. Mind you this is all conjecture. I just really hope they make the MBP a true pro and keep the MBA's as the device for the general populace.