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35W hardly counts as ULV or all the 13" MBPs would be using ULV now. It's just a lower power quad-core chip, definitely good for the 13" Pro.

Yeah, I also thought that ~17W is ULV, 35W is a lot of power for a small laptop.

The Ivy CPUs are supposed to have a programmable TDP. They might be able to stick a 45W in the 13'' MBP and throttle it so that things don't blow up. But that would probably be a waste of money, and difficult from a marketing point of view...



Sorry both you guys are correct. It is a good amount :eek:

Hopefully that will be in the next quad + a 14" screen in the same footprint
 
Hopefully that will be in the next quad + a 14" screen in the same footprint

I'd like to see this trick done one the 15". say... a 16" screen in the same footprint of the current 15. That way the 1680x1050 standard higher res will still be doable without making things too small. AND a retina version of the same thing seems more plausible, too.
 
Not happening anytime soon because of ever decreasing spacial capacities

the hardware is decreasing too. 22nm GPUs

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I'd like to see this trick done one the 15". say... a 16" screen in the same footprint of the current 15. That way the 1680x1050 standard higher res will still be doable without making things too small. AND a retina version of the same thing seems more plausible, too.

that sounds good but 16" is not a common size. The next possible size might be a 15.6" or something.

14" is very popular thus lower cost since it is being produced in bulk. Other manufacturers are producing it too. Don't get me wrong, I hope they produce a 16" just look up if there are any other versions in that size? Do they cut glass for those sized laptops....thats a big point if it will happen or not.
 
the hardware is decreasing too. 22nm GPUs

The process node refers to the size of one transistor (and GPUs are now at 28nm, by the way). The actual die size is not decreasing much, if at all, because the gained space is used for more transistors to increase the performance. You get the same performance at smaller footprint and heat output, but that applies to IGPs as well.
 
I wish the next 13 pro will have the following 3 improvement:
2. lighter weight, again current one weights too much compared to air

Mmmm, that's why it's called an Air. Two totally different machines. Surely it's like me saying I'd like the new MBP would have a 27" monitor, like the iMac.
 
Why have there been no real rumors? It's April the 3rd now... and still no new rumors have appeared.
 
Yes I've read the 47 page thread. Not much help on WHEN, just what.

Yeah, 167 days ago. You're not a help at all.

I check macrumors.com front page every day, as well as the buyers guide.

Yes. Have you?


I've seen a bajillion posts on what the new MBP specs will be, but I have yet to see a single post that shows opinions on WHEN it will be released. I'm sorry if I offended anyone by my ignorance and sorry for posting.

I didn't ask for anyone to slam me with negative worthless comments and in all honest what good did it do you? Wasted 45 seconds of your time? Geez just move on with your life.

All I was asking for was an opinion.

These people don't deserve an apology, you guys don't mind reading each others stupid bickering but flip out when a newbie asks a question. If they were wrong in doing so or not someone shouldn't be attacked, you should treat other members with some respect. I will not quit arguing this point because it is just a forum so GROW UP!
 
the hardware is decreasing too. 22nm GPUs

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that sounds good but 16" is not a common size. The next possible size might be a 15.6" or something.

14" is very popular thus lower cost since it is being produced in bulk. Other manufacturers are producing it too. Don't get me wrong, I hope they produce a 16" just look up if there are any other versions in that size? Do they cut glass for those sized laptops....thats a big point if it will happen or not.

How about this for hopeful context:
- 9.7 inch tablet touch screens were not common before the iPad
- hiRes mobile displays were rare before the iPhone4
- 10.1 inch tablet touch screens were rare before the Galaxy
- 5 inch touch screens were rare before the Galaxy note.

I'm hoping that manufacturing companies will make just about anything so long as you can order them in volume.
 
I need to spend some grant money for my classroom! I'm hoping I can hold off until the new MBP's come out...... time is running out :apple: :eek: :apple:
 
http://www.appleinsider.com/article..._pros_in_april_400k_13_in_models_in_june.html

Looks like the 13" won't have quads, assuming this information is true. So hopefully we see the 15" come out this month. Would be a little weird for them to release them separately, so maybe they'll just wait until they're all ready? Who knows - I'm chomping at the bit.

Digitimes is about as reliable as any forum speculation. The article fails to even mention the 35W 3612QM so I'd still hold onto a bit of hope for QC 13" machines.
 
Digitimes is about as reliable as any forum speculation. The article fails to even mention the 35W 3612QM so I'd still hold onto a bit of hope for QC 13" machines.

I too would enjoy that, but hasn't digitimes been the source of pretty much everyone of these "thinner MBP" rumors?
 
Air or Pro is just a name, they can call a Macbook Air a pro if they want, what exactly makes the Macbook Pro 13 a Pro machine compared to a 13 Macbook Air. The CPU performance is a bit better but unlike the 15inch Pro which has Quad Core and discreet graphics, the 13 pro CPU is only a little bit faster than Air after turbo boost, GPU is the same, resolution is lower, HDD is slower than SSD, I just don't think the very slightly faster CPU warrants the extra 1.5lbs.

My only problem with Air is that the ram is non-upgradable, they could easily make a lighter 13 macbook pro weight like macbook air but with upgradable ram.


Mmmm, that's why it's called an Air. Two totally different machines. Surely it's like me saying I'd like the new MBP would have a 27" monitor, like the iMac.
 
I too would enjoy that, but hasn't digitimes been the source of pretty much everyone of these "thinner MBP" rumors?
I think there were a few other sources too, but Digitimes spits one out like every week. Plus, all of Digitimes rumors are just things people have predicted for almost 2 years now. Unless we actually see some leaked parts, the only credible source is going to be Apple, when they release the machines. If history repeats itself, though, we'll see at least some of the new MBPs within a few days of Ivy Bridge release this month (which also coincidentally happens pretty close to an Apple earnings announcement).
 
i'd say, unless your machine stops working or is unacceptably working
- wait -


there is no need to rush and spend 1-2000 € / $ while in 1/2 months machines will be upgraded and your machine will be cheaper and a little obsolete already

i also need-want a new machine (looking at mbp or imac) but my notebook can still run, however i was at an apple store the other day (ipad3) and i was salivating too much with all these imacs, cinemadisp, mba, mbp = gorgeous, if i didnt know an upgrade is coming in 1-2 months, i'd have already spent the cash

thank u
that is what i was thinking
i totaly agree with u
 
The hardware is not decreasing as fast as it needs to for a dedicated gpu to be implemented in the near future, but it can happen someday

I thought other manufcatures' have done it already...even in 11.6" I think.

The process node refers to the size of one transistor (and GPUs are now at 28nm, by the way). The actual die size is not decreasing much, if at all, because the gained space is used for more transistors to increase the performance. You get the same performance at smaller footprint and heat output, but that applies to IGPs as well.

Ok! that was a little too technical, even though I like to get thechnical, maybe its just that i'm tired after a long day of work. Basically there is no chance of it fitting in a 13.3"? even though GPUs have advanced?

It has to fit in there! cause I don't know if I could afford a 15"!!!
 
So if Apple introduce the 15" 2012 MBP first, will the 13" and 17" late 2011 inch models still be on display?
 
I thought other manufcatures' have done it already...even in 11.6" I think.



Ok! that was a little too technical, even though I like to get thechnical, maybe its just that i'm tired after a long day of work. Basically there is no chance of it fitting in a 13.3"? even though GPUs have advanced?

It has to fit in there! cause I don't know if I could afford a 15"!!!

Any 11.6" with a dGPU is going to be really thick (think Alienware). It comes down to total volume of the chassis, and with Apple going for thinner machines, fitting in a dGPU might be tough. That being said, with Kepler's lower power and the removal of the ODD possibly allowing better heat dissipation, the 13" could potentially get a dGPU this round.

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So if Apple introduce the 15" 2012 MBP first, will the 13" and 17" late 2011 inch models still be on display?

Likely so. I am still convinced the 13" will very possibly get a 35W quadcore and be released the same time as the 15" though.
 
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