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I don't see the need for a dramatic redesign. I want a 128GB SSD and a normal 2.5" 1TB hard drive for my files. Add ivy bridge and a Kepler GPU and I will be very happy. A retina display would make me ecstatic, as long as the battery life remains decent.
 
this is how i want the macbook pro be redesigned:

* a bit thinner (20-21 mm)
* no superdrive
* lighter (about 4.0-4.5 pounds for 15inch model)

Im the one who needs as much power as possible in as portable case as possible. I think powerful macbook with this kind of redesign + 15" matte full HD display + SSD = Perfect computer

Here is some photoshop
 

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this is how i want the macbook pro be redesigned:

* a bit thinner (20-21 mm)
* no superdrive
* lighter (about 4.0-4.5 pounds for 15inch model)

Im the one who needs as much power as possible in as portable case as possible. I think powerful macbook with this kind of redesign + 15" matte full HD display + SSD = Perfect computer

Here is some photoshop

Pretty good design. I know in the past I have said no taper but I actually am starting to like it. But it needs to be different than the Air's taper. Like tapering to an edge instead of a point to make it a little more hardy.
 
this is how i want the macbook pro be redesigned:

* a bit thinner (20-21 mm)
* no superdrive
* lighter (about 4.0-4.5 pounds for 15inch model)

Im the one who needs as much power as possible in as portable case as possible. I think powerful macbook with this kind of redesign + 15" matte full HD display + SSD = Perfect computer

Here is some photoshop

I hope they don't just leave one side blank. They could fit a couple of USB ports.
 
Nothing *needs* to be redesigned, but Apple could conceivably vastly improve the user experience, which is a very good reason for a redesign.

  • solid-state drives are now becoming viable as primary drives for higher-end machines than netbooks
  • almost nobody needs optical drives any more -- certainly not frequently enough to require an internal one on a portable.
  • eliminating a platter-based hard drive and optical drive allows for a number of improvements:
    • significant reduction of form factor (purely aesthetic)
    • significant reduction of weight, a MAJOR improvement for anyone who carries their computer around
    • potential improvement of battery life
    • faster startup times.

No, eliminating the magnetic and optical media does not *require* a redesign, but it would be an excellent reason to make one.

In addition, there's a possibility that new chips and graphics cards will require different internal layouts, and that higher RAM capacities could also be provided for with a redesign.

So, yeah. You may not redesign a kettle or a toaster every couple of years, but in computing you redesign fairly frequently because the hardware keeps advancing so quickly.

Everything you write makes sense. Obviously. Answering my question of what needs to be redesigned. Ultimately technology advances ultra quickly in computing and Apple would like to be at the cutting edge. Adding aesthetic sensibilities to the mix is a given.

I for one would love a lighter MacBook Pro.
 
I hope they don't just leave one side blank. They could fit a couple of USB ports.

One would be enough i think. Having almost all ports on one side would aesthetically look good though and quite convenient too.
 

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Beowulf you clearly have the design industry's experience but you've got no or very little marketing knowledge.


Products NEED to be changed visually to refresh them every once in a while, so that the customers feel atracted to them, it's a psychological maneuver. How many times did you see a commercial of product "x" has now a new packaging? new color? etc. :)

There's your answer mate ^^

Thank you for your wonderfully ground breaking insight. :) but having worked in marketing and advertising for most of my career I will have to disagree with your intial comment.

Obviously every product line has a cyclical refresh. We all know consumers can become tired and the competition will always be snapping at your heels. Hence my comment on the "competition is killing you".

The point I was merely trying to make was that I'm still happy with the aesthetics of the latest MBP and that a drastic change in form factor should, and will be down to technological advances. I'm all for that. But I'm not that keen on the MacBook Air.

Marketing and design go pretty much hand in hand my friend.

Whilst Senior Designer for Sony I had to regularly work with over 20 European marketing managers, who were constantly wanting point of difference from product, packaging and comms.

Im a graphic designer who was responsible for most of Sony's european branding and packaging offerings for 4 years and like to think having worked in packaging for years, winning awards too, I know enough to make my personal comments here. My two penneth anyway.

Just my response mate. I'll be buying the new MBP whatever it looks like. ;-)
 
Thank you for your wonderfully ground breaking insight. :) but having worked in marketing and advertising for most of my career I will have to disagree with your intial comment.

Obviously every product line has a cyclical refresh. We all know consumers can become tired and the competition will always be snapping at your heels. Hence my comment on the "competition is killing you".

The point I was merely trying to make was that I'm still happy with the aesthetics of the latest MBP and that a drastic change in form factor should, and will be down to technological advances. I'm all for that. But I'm not that keen on the MacBook Air.

Marketing and design go pretty much hand in hand my friend.

Whilst Senior Designer for Sony I had to regularly work with over 20 European marketing managers, who were constantly wanting point of difference from product, packaging and comms.

Im a graphic designer who was responsible for most of Sony's european branding and packaging offerings for 4 years and like to think having worked in packaging for years, winning awards too, I know enough to make my personal comments here. My two penneth anyway.

Just my response mate. I'll be buying the new MBP whatever it looks like. ;-)

Heh, then i was totally wrong about you, feel stupid now but afterall you did agre with me, so i guess i didn't sleep on all economy classes back at college years until i decided to become an artist- fulltime heh.

To be honest the Macbook line could stay the same for me, i don't really feel like it needs a major revamp either. One thing i'd like to see tho is the matte screen at a regular basis, with no extra cost for just removing the glass plate, that's just cheap shot from apple. Than and a higher resolution of 1680 for 15''

Thanks for your reply, i'm glad i was able to talk to an industry veteran as yourself, cheers.
 
wow, im surprised at your reaction to my comment, since i thought it was a pretty positive one about your desires, rather than a crap comment bashing you.

i think you totally misunderstood me.

unless i misunderstand you, what you just said is exactly my ENTIRE argument. The fact that there is really nothing to redesign about the macbook, except, if anything, the incorporation of a touch screen, which in itself really wouldnt be a redesign, because they can probably do it without changing anything (about the form factor). apple has made the mbp perfect, up untill now it has been improved by its redesigns, but i cant see how it could really benefit from one now with out it being some gimmick or unimportant change. (all spec bumps aside)

And how you took my comment to you to be anything in anyway against you or negative.....is really a mistake.

All i was saying is that, your most likely going to get what you want with the spec bump....so be happy....

why are you so offended, what is there to be offended about, and why are you being negative towards me now...

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i agree with that person too, and somehow, he/she thinks i dont....

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if i worked for apple, id like the macbooks to stay how they are right now, and only update internals....because i havent fallen out of love with the current design.

everyone is missing my point. which is, theres nothing they can do to make it better in the "redesign" aspect of it....

but they always surprise.

No worries. No offence taken. Everyone seems to be overreacting here. As per usual. Over excited kids all of us.

I think you also mistook my comments. Tone is not always easy to understand in a line of text.

Between those lines I'm sure we do agree. Although you did write that what I said I wanted would be everything Apple would do anyway, without it being a redesign. You didn't need to write that anything was "real lame".

Suffice to say, not everyone will be happy, but I will be buying...
 
merged model?

there are some reports rumoring that macbook air and macbook pro models are merging into one called "macbook" again. it will remain the processing power of the pro but retain the thin and light design of the air. do you guys think apple will really do this? i don't think so... :confused:

mid-2010 macbook, iPad 2, iPhone 4s, iPod nano
 
there are some reports rumoring that macbook air and macbook pro models are merging into one called "macbook" again. it will remain the processing power of the pro but retain the thin and light design of the air. do you guys think apple will really do this? i don't think so... :confused:

mid-2010 macbook, iPad 2, iPhone 4s, iPod nano

No. The MBP has way too many advantages over the MBA that can't be ignored. Starting with much more memory and storage options and support besides a hearty advantage in CPU and GPU capabilities. You can't put those capabilities into a MBA form factor and I don't see them making a bigger MBA.
 
I also am inclined to say no. I think that Apple may move the MBP in that general direction but I don't think they will merge. The MBP and MBA serve to completely different market segments. The Air is great, I have one, but it doesn't too everything my pro does. The Air is further limited in that the RAM is no upgradeable. I have 8GB of RAM in my MBP and that just isn't possible in the Air, and many Prop users like to be able to upgrade their RAM. Another disadvantage is the lack of an optical drive, which people still use, although that may very well be dropped in this coming upgrade. Also, there are a lot of people that use the 17" MBP and there are no indications that Apple plans on going that large with the Air. So in short, no I don't think that Apple will merge the two it just doesn't make much sense.
 
Haha, what? That's what Apple DO, my friend. It's pretty much as big of a part of Apple as the actual computers. They're not making cargo pants for trekking, they're making suits in the latest cuts.

The line need to be redesigned from the perspective of having looked the same for a few years. The original iPhone design didn't need to change, nor did the 3G/3GS. The 4G/4GS design definitely doesn't need to change, but I'll give you ten to one that it will with the next iPhone. Because it's Apple. That's what they do.

So, you are saying Apple will make changes just because they can? Because that's what they do?! Lol. I think you'll find all companies refresh their product line-ups cyclically. Nobody is denying that fact my friend.

But believe me, they will always have an objective to achieve, and never just for the sake of change. I don't think you are seriously suggesting otherwise.....
 
lets face it, the Macbook pro is in dia need of a redesign.
current models are too heavy, slow and as for the screens; resolution is poor especially if Apple insist on calling it a pro, the glossy screens Apple have as standard is a horror show for any professional requiring accurate colour and contrast.

The last time I used a cd was 2 years ago, Apple need to Kill it.
SSD or flash drive is a must on any computer with Pro in its title.
Even on the 13" we require 2k resolution.
Ethernet port is a must have on all pro's
lighter, slimmer and faster computer is required and should be the natural progression from the current models if they listen to the user base, not that Apple ever have listened to their user base.
 
So, you are saying Apple will make changes just because they can? Because that's what they do?! Lol. I think you'll find all companies refresh their product line-ups cyclically. Nobody is denying that fact my friend.

But believe me, they will always have an objective to achieve, and never just for the sake of change. I don't think you are seriously suggesting otherwise.....

I'm not disagreeing with you, but I'm saying that Apple is the kind of company that will have "more aesthetically pleasing" as an objective. Your original post made it sound like they would only redesign the MBP if it filled a practical purpose.

A perfect example for my argument would be the evolution of the iPod Nano. Not taking the sixth generation into account ;)
 
The thing is, you can upgrade the RAM to 8GB on MBA,there is currently 8GB on one memory chip available, so at least you can upgrade to 9GB

Macbook Airs (current model) only support a max 4GB, and it is soldered in place and NOT user upgradeable.

I'm guessing the next MBP will drop the DVD drive and get a bit thinner. I really hope they don't drop firewire and wired ethernet support.
 
oops!sorry!i made a mistake. macbook air supports up to 8GB of RAM(two 4GB)
it supports 4GB on a single memory chip. i have a mid-2010 macbook, which has one 4GB+1GB RAM.

Technically the current MBA chipset can support 8gb (and probably 16gb) however since the RAM is now soldered there are no upgrades. Apple doesn't even offer a 8gb BTO option. So the MAX a current MBA can have is 4gb.

The current MBPs all have a 8gb BTO option and support 16gb via a user upgrade. You get get 2x8 modules for $99 now!

The max storage you can get on a MBA is currently 256gb. Yes that is fast SDD, but it is pricy and is very little storage compared to even the entry MBP now have 500gb!

Those are just two major items. I really don't see Apple doing away even with the 13" MBP, probably still their best seller, and leaving just a 13" MBA unless they make some major changes.
 
There was only one rumor; and it was from Digitimes, one of the most unreliable sources. The rumor just kept getting rehashed by other people. I just hope they refresh the MBP within this month.
 
I really don't see Apple doing away even with the 13" MBP, probably still their best seller, and leaving just a 13" MBA unless they make some major changes.

I agree with you about this too. The 13" catches a lot of flak from people ragging on it, but it serves a market segment. For example, I need larger that 256GB of storage and more RAM, for me the 13" with the dual core i7 and 750GB HDD is perfect and I am happy to pay the premium for it. So as much as some people wanna see it dropped, I really don't think apple will.
 
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