Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
2012 Macbook Pro Redesign
- Thread starter Funkymonk
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
Haha, of course DVDs couldn't magically shrink.
I meant a space big enough for an optical drive on one side that could also house a 2.5" HDD/SSD, much like the current MBPs, except this time perhaps Apple could have allowed to replace the ODD with a SSD/HDD as a BTO option and it could even not have the unnecessary disc slot if you order it that way. I think I'm asking for too much though.
Haha, of course DVDs couldn't magically shrink.
I meant a space big enough for an optical drive on one side that could also house a 2.5" HDD/SSD, much like the current MBPs, except this time perhaps Apple could have allowed to replace the ODD with a SSD/HDD as a BTO option and it could even not have the unnecessary disc slot if you order it that way. I think I'm asking for too much though.
Yeah, Apple making 2 separate aluminum cases, for 1 size I just dont see happening.
Are people really not happy with the current MBP's battery life? On my 2011 17" MBP I am getting incredible battery life...it's far better than ANY laptop of ANY size I have ever used.
I'd love more battery life but it is far, far down on my list of "things Apple needs to fix" with it.
This is the fix order:
1) Heat dissipation
2) GPU upgrade
3) getting rid of optical disc and using space for 1 or 2 above.
Sometimes I think Mac users are just far too detached from what the rest of the market is doing - this is also the case in the iPhone forum.
Repeated discussions about making the MBP smaller or have longer battery life really just don't make any sense because it's oblivious to the technology involved and doesn't seem to acknowledge the paths its competitors are taking with their premium offerings.
I'd love more battery life but it is far, far down on my list of "things Apple needs to fix" with it.
This is the fix order:
1) Heat dissipation
2) GPU upgrade
3) getting rid of optical disc and using space for 1 or 2 above.
Sometimes I think Mac users are just far too detached from what the rest of the market is doing - this is also the case in the iPhone forum.
Repeated discussions about making the MBP smaller or have longer battery life really just don't make any sense because it's oblivious to the technology involved and doesn't seem to acknowledge the paths its competitors are taking with their premium offerings.
In what way doesn't it make sense? It's possible to make it smaller, and it's possible to increase the battery life. I really couldn't care less about what other manufacturers are and aren't offering when I'm discussing what I want the future MBP to be.
You're like the modern version of a luddite.
shortages of current Pros
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...s_constrained_ahead_of_redesigned_models.html
(as another poster posted in another thread)
Aside from all the fantasies about 4K resolution, high end graphics chips, and 20 hour battery life, I think a few things are clear. The form factor will most likely be smaller because the ODD will be dropped. That probably also means compromises in other areas: I expect there will only be one 2.5" bay left for either a hard disk, or an SSD. Maybe the battery will become non-replaceable, which would be a shame. I do expect the memory config to stay the same as in the current config. So the advantages of the pro over the air would stay more or less the same: discrete graphics and user upgradeable mem/disk (I currently don't consider the "blade SSD" to be very upgradeable because there are hardly any offerings). If you haven't ripped your CDs/DVDs/software to a NAS yet, it would be a very good moment to start considering it.
I am really curious to see what Apple will do with the display. If they go for retina, they have to adopt it all over the board, which is hard (17" retina ?). If the don't , it would feel strange: an 11" and 13" with a higher resolution than the 15" and 17" ? So I frankly don't expect any retina display mac any time soon.
Peter.
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...s_constrained_ahead_of_redesigned_models.html
(as another poster posted in another thread)
Aside from all the fantasies about 4K resolution, high end graphics chips, and 20 hour battery life, I think a few things are clear. The form factor will most likely be smaller because the ODD will be dropped. That probably also means compromises in other areas: I expect there will only be one 2.5" bay left for either a hard disk, or an SSD. Maybe the battery will become non-replaceable, which would be a shame. I do expect the memory config to stay the same as in the current config. So the advantages of the pro over the air would stay more or less the same: discrete graphics and user upgradeable mem/disk (I currently don't consider the "blade SSD" to be very upgradeable because there are hardly any offerings). If you haven't ripped your CDs/DVDs/software to a NAS yet, it would be a very good moment to start considering it.
I am really curious to see what Apple will do with the display. If they go for retina, they have to adopt it all over the board, which is hard (17" retina ?). If the don't , it would feel strange: an 11" and 13" with a higher resolution than the 15" and 17" ? So I frankly don't expect any retina display mac any time soon.
Peter.
I don't know that I agree with this. There can be any number of ways that we have not thought of to extend battery life. These could be more energy efficient screens, more passive cooling that does not involve fans, better software algorithms for managing multiple cores, more efficient OS services and other engineering tricks.
Yes, making the battery bigger and smaller TDP footprints are the obvious paths forward. But I refuse to believe that we have seen all the optimizations that will ever occur.
I guess the distinction I'm trying to make is that "Currently" is different than "those that you know of". I think there are a lot of optimizations that exist or are possible but are currently not used or implemented that we simply don't know about because they haven't been done in a mainstream device.
But more importantly, I think the spirit of the post was that the only way to increase battery life is to make a bigger battery or lower the TDP. If that is not the case, then I stand corrected.
"There's currently no revolution in battery technology, so the only way to extend battery life is to make a physically large battery."
might be a dumb question, but when does apple usually make announcements about Macbook Pro refreshes. On a tuesday?
They have done it very early on a Thursday morning before. However, with a rumored design refresh who knows.
Starting to get that feeling like in February 2011 where I got all excited for the changes, and then.....nothing!
Hopefully this time things do change a bit more.
Hopefully this time things do change a bit more.
Starting to get that feeling like in February 2011 where I got all excited for the changes, and then.....nothing!
Hopefully this time things do change a bit more.
Hah, it does kind of feel like that. I remember, everyone was pretty much convinced that it would be a redesign and have every bell and whistle, then they came out with the obligatory processor and gpu bump, and not much else. Could easily happen again
. I'd still buy one. I rather enjoy the current form factor.Wirelessly posted
Yeah I was going to buy one if the refresh was significant enough. Glad I waited though.
Boe11 said:Hah, it does kind of feel like that. I remember, everyone was pretty much convinced that it would be a redesign and have every bell and whistle, then they came out with the obligatory processor and gpu bump, and not much else. Could easily happen again
Yeah I was going to buy one if the refresh was significant enough. Glad I waited though.
From that point of view Im happy that im not craving a redesign, if they just bump specs that works for me, either way it will be a proper bump up from my 13" 2009 mbp... Im actually more hoping that they dont "nerf" the casing too much, causing non-upgradable parts and heat issues etc.
From that point of view Im happy that im not craving a redesign, if they just bump specs that works for me, either way it will be a proper bump up from my 13" 2009 mbp... Im actually more hoping that they dont "nerf" the casing too much, causing non-upgradable parts and heat issues etc.
That's pretty much it... If they make improvements to the design and still maintain it's power and functionality, I can't imagine anyone will be dissatisfied.
I'm not even all that concerned any more. I have the late 2011 15" and it's perfect for me. It's damn fast as it comes, and in the future, it will be easy and cheap (when prices drop more) to upgrade to 16GB RAM and a dual 256GB SSD striped RAID setup. That thing will soar. Of course I will still want the new one, but I love my current one to death. Links to potential upgrades.
-16GB Komputerbay RAM: http://bit.ly/Ii0fPL
-256GB Samsung 830 SSD: http://bit.ly/HAaHiF
Best of luck to everyone upgrading, and enjoy your new machines!
-16GB Komputerbay RAM: http://bit.ly/Ii0fPL
-256GB Samsung 830 SSD: http://bit.ly/HAaHiF
Best of luck to everyone upgrading, and enjoy your new machines!
I did not think an update was about to be released until I saw today's news on the shortage of MacBook Pros. Perhaps Apple is really taking advantage of the new quad-core mobile Ivy Bridge processors which Intel is releasing on April 29 to update its line of 15" (and perhaps 17") laptops. We will have to wait until the end of the month, though, unless Apple gets its hands on the processor before everybody else (which I think is unlikely, although it has happened before).
As for a redesign, I think it makes sense. Apple last updated the design of the MacBook Pro in late 2008, more than 3 years ago. The previous design lasted 2 and a half years, so it is about time!
My expectations are for the optical disk drive to be axed (it has already not a part of the MacBook Air and of the Mac Mini). In addition, I would like to see SSDs instead of HDDs (but I don't know if that's going to happen).
The new MacBook Pro will probably be thinner and lighter, but I don't expect it to be as thin as the MacBook Air. The quad-core processor and the video card do not allow the laptop to be too thin and light. But definitely thinner and lighter than the current MacBook Pro - and this may be a reason for dropping the 13" MacBook Pro (it does not have a dedicated video card, and if it becomes thinner than it is it will probably become a competitor to the 13" MacBook Air).
The real question for me is the retina display. Will it happen? I think so. It may seem rather impossible to pack a retina display into a 15" or a 17" screen right now. What would the resolution be? 3840x2160?
But we may not forget that Apple has just put a gorgeous 10" IPS screen with a 2048x1536 resolution on an iPad which, equipped as it is with a processor, a video card and wi-fi capabilities, sells for US$ 499. The technology is already there, so putting a retina display on Macs is just a matter of time. if a US$ 499 iPad can have a 2048x1536 screen, why can't a US$ 1,799 MacBook Pro have a 3200x1800 screen, for instance?
In fact, Apple has already made the first move when it upgraded the iPad to get the retina display. The iPhone 4 had a retina display, but its resolution was still lower than the iPad's resolution. Will Apple launch 11", 13" and even 15" and 17" screens with lower resolutions than the 10" screen of the new iPad? And will Apple keep selling its 27" cinema display for a whooping US$ 999 if it keeps the resolution to 2560x1440, which is not so gorgeous anymore after the release of the new iPad?
And why would Apple include a higher resolution mode in the soon-to-be-launched OS X Snow Lion if a retina Mac is not in the plans?
As for a redesign, I think it makes sense. Apple last updated the design of the MacBook Pro in late 2008, more than 3 years ago. The previous design lasted 2 and a half years, so it is about time!
My expectations are for the optical disk drive to be axed (it has already not a part of the MacBook Air and of the Mac Mini). In addition, I would like to see SSDs instead of HDDs (but I don't know if that's going to happen).
The new MacBook Pro will probably be thinner and lighter, but I don't expect it to be as thin as the MacBook Air. The quad-core processor and the video card do not allow the laptop to be too thin and light. But definitely thinner and lighter than the current MacBook Pro - and this may be a reason for dropping the 13" MacBook Pro (it does not have a dedicated video card, and if it becomes thinner than it is it will probably become a competitor to the 13" MacBook Air).
The real question for me is the retina display. Will it happen? I think so. It may seem rather impossible to pack a retina display into a 15" or a 17" screen right now. What would the resolution be? 3840x2160?
But we may not forget that Apple has just put a gorgeous 10" IPS screen with a 2048x1536 resolution on an iPad which, equipped as it is with a processor, a video card and wi-fi capabilities, sells for US$ 499. The technology is already there, so putting a retina display on Macs is just a matter of time. if a US$ 499 iPad can have a 2048x1536 screen, why can't a US$ 1,799 MacBook Pro have a 3200x1800 screen, for instance?
In fact, Apple has already made the first move when it upgraded the iPad to get the retina display. The iPhone 4 had a retina display, but its resolution was still lower than the iPad's resolution. Will Apple launch 11", 13" and even 15" and 17" screens with lower resolutions than the 10" screen of the new iPad? And will Apple keep selling its 27" cinema display for a whooping US$ 999 if it keeps the resolution to 2560x1440, which is not so gorgeous anymore after the release of the new iPad?
And why would Apple include a higher resolution mode in the soon-to-be-launched OS X Snow Lion if a retina Mac is not in the plans?
They have refreshed the MBPs really early in the morning before. Who knows, maybe Apple got the new Ivy Bridge processors before everyone else? Maybe the MBPs will get a refresh and the air-like 15" will just be a 15" MBA that gets added once the Airs get updated in the summer?