better heat management , for god's sake the current mbps are pretty hot.
remove the optical drive for a bigger heatsink
remove the optical drive for a bigger heatsink
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2012 Macbook Pro Redesign
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Well, it's been 3 years since they released the unibody mbp. My Apple Care expires in February which usually means I'm going to replace my laptop. How much would I be able to sell my 17 inch MBP for? (2.93 Intel Core 2 Duo, 4GB 1067MHZ DDR3, Nvidia 9600M GT, 320GB 7200 RPM)
Btw those pricing packages are stuff I'm speculating on.
Also, I should have specified when I said macbook air styling....he meant they'll be using the wedge shape design (possibly more curves).
Basically, I don't think Apple will interfere with the styling much aside from that wedge shape at the palm rest perhaps. I hope the ends aren't sharp.
But he said better screens (didn't say higher res, but I assumed he meant that), USB 3.0 (Yes!) and Ivy Bridge (a given) and faster GPUs (assumed to be a given) are coming for sure to the 2012 line, as well as a push for SSDs (don't know if this means they're coming standard or just cheaper ugprade prices).
But if there's a $2500 2012 MBP that features a faster Quad Core Ivy Bridge CPU, 256GB SSD, 1680 x 1050 screen and faster GPU, that's a hella tempting.
Also I think Apple needs to drop the low end MBP 15.
Start it at $1999 with the base being
- Quad Core Ivy Bridge CPU (CPU Upgrade $200)
- Dedicated GPU (option for higher end model - $150)
- 4GB RAM (8GB upgrade - $150)
- 128GB SSD (256GB upgrade $300)
- 1680 x 1050 Glossy Screen (1920 x 1200AG upgrade - $150)
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jlc1978
macrumors 604
Not really - it comes in at a very tempting price point; especially for students who want a Mac.
Agreed, I wonder if the new version will have sandy bridge, a real deal at that price then!
Is it possible Apple could give a minor update to the Macbook Pro late 2011 and then a full redesign early 2012?
I really don't understand why a product that sits idly on a shelf which you have no intention of buying can bother people so much.
JaisHTX
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I don't see them getting away with 256GB SSD for any kind of power user with a 17" MBP.
SuprUsrStan
macrumors 6502a
Am I the only one who doesn't think 1920x1200 on a 15 inch is good? the PPI of a WUXGA on a 17 inch is big enough already, to use that resolution on a 15 inch means you will have to squint at webpages. OSX icons may be resizable but webpage images and text are not.
Anticipation's killing me. 🙂
Macbook Pro 15" 2.2 GHz quadcore i7, 750GB HD, 8GM RAM, Intel HD 3000 + AMD Radeon HD 6750M (1GB) | iPhone4 32GB
Macbook Pro 15" 2.2 GHz quadcore i7, 750GB HD, 8GM RAM, Intel HD 3000 + AMD Radeon HD 6750M (1GB) | iPhone4 32GB
I am waiting for my first 13"... i want higher resolution. writing on acer crapspire (aspire) from 2005.
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Jedi
macrumors regular
syan48306 ,
I agree that they should keep the resolution the same for the 15".
1920 X 1200 , is to small , and when you change the res. to say 1024 X 768 S.
it`s not as clear.
As I have said before I tried the 15' + 17" @ 1024 X 768 S. , and the 15" was much clearer.
Of course this is just my opinion !! 😀
Gary
I agree that they should keep the resolution the same for the 15".
1920 X 1200 , is to small , and when you change the res. to say 1024 X 768 S.
it`s not as clear.
As I have said before I tried the 15' + 17" @ 1024 X 768 S. , and the 15" was much clearer.
Of course this is just my opinion !! 😀
Gary
Ljohnson72
macrumors 6502a
Personally I'm not a big fan of the wedge shape. I'd rather just have a larger battery and a better graphics card in the current form factor.
Titanium81
macrumors 6502a
Only the 15" & 17" MBP's can power 2 ACD's, The Intel 3000 HD isn't powerful enough. (i.e. 13" MBP, 13" MBA, 11" MBA)
I think prochembro's probably pretty close.
Lose the optical drive and it becomes a macbook air. Ivy Bridge brings USB3 (finally?) for 'free,' so why not?
A move to IPS or variant also makes sense, although I think most IPS panels use more power.
Ivy bridge will be another step down on the process size to 22nm, which reduces heat, offset by whatever jumps in speed are offered, probably at rough parity with heat vs todays MBPs overall. PCI3 comes into play, doubling the data rate per PCI lane..nice. A second thunderbolt port would be goodness, and it will be interesting to see if they finally implement it as a fiber connection or not, but I'm not expecting it.
Most of the above is all goodness for users.
The bad? A move to SSD. Why?
Look at the Air - soldered on RAM. Apple really loves and has become quite good at managing to get ongoing annual income from it's customers - yearly OS update, MobileMe (I started a trial years ago, and somehow use it as a primary mail account years later, while using virtually nothing else, heh! Nice $100/year for an email account. :-/ ), even silly things you'd get from other manufacturers - like a way to connect your laptop to an external display without a $2, err, $30 adapter. So, let it play out a bit - maybe they push the whole 'disposable' model and solder on RAM, or make the SSD cheap(er) but not user upgradeable - they can drop some $, but so much for those of us who upgrade their machines themselves, want to drop in an optibay, and keep their systems for a few years or more.
Without user serviceable RAM and/or SSD, they just might use the extra space to add decent heatsinks into the MBP, along with, of course, a bigger battery. Need more space? Here comes iCloud - storage on demand. Why do you 'need' a big HD, when for a modest fee, Apple will keep everything in the cloud for you - music, movies, and now - all your files.
I bet they'll be screamers and be nice pieces of engineering, but it's likely going to piss off everyone looking at Optibays or wanting a real 'desktop replacement' type system. I do hope I'm wrong on that, and maybe they'll keep a 'thick, user serviceable model' around for another generation or so, but I'm betting they're thinking the sooner they can turn the laptops into an iPhone/iPad type model with much greater than 50% upgrade numbers within a few to 6 months of each semi-frequent release, the sooner they might be rolling in more extra cash.
Something different that I don't think we're quite ready for yet is simply buy your display - pick the size with integrated GPU and perhaps ARM, solid state drive/flash - there's your 'big iPad,' then buy a 'docking station' with beefier CPU(s), keyboard, Thunderbolt connection in the 'dock' and have the 'docking station' take over CPU duties along with discrete GPU if you've bought the 'Pro' station....at first you'd think it might cannibalize iPad sales, but if the iPad 3 (maybe 4?) can use the same 'docking station,' you've effectively got people buying the 'small' iPad for normal tablet/convenience use, plus 'docking station'/'real' computer plus an additional larger 'iPad' for the screen = $$$.
There's lots of 'coolness' factor in any of the scenarios, but likely alienating some of the real 'pro' users out there. And of course, with municipal broadband (read - unlimited, cheaper, faster in many cases) offerings being shut down by politicians and corporations, and those corps all drooling over the thought of bandwidth caps, it will be interesting to see how Apple pushes iCloud in the future. We have your data and you can get it any time, too bad your ISP will charge you $$$ when you want it too frequently. Unless of course, Apple 'partners' like they did with their phones - 4G/LTE at $100/month or so, unlimited for a year or so, then they pull an ATT and cap it down the road. 😱 Ok, hopefully that one's at least 2 generations away, but we'll see. 😀
Lose the optical drive and it becomes a macbook air. Ivy Bridge brings USB3 (finally?) for 'free,' so why not?
A move to IPS or variant also makes sense, although I think most IPS panels use more power.
Ivy bridge will be another step down on the process size to 22nm, which reduces heat, offset by whatever jumps in speed are offered, probably at rough parity with heat vs todays MBPs overall. PCI3 comes into play, doubling the data rate per PCI lane..nice. A second thunderbolt port would be goodness, and it will be interesting to see if they finally implement it as a fiber connection or not, but I'm not expecting it.
Most of the above is all goodness for users.
The bad? A move to SSD. Why?
Look at the Air - soldered on RAM. Apple really loves and has become quite good at managing to get ongoing annual income from it's customers - yearly OS update, MobileMe (I started a trial years ago, and somehow use it as a primary mail account years later, while using virtually nothing else, heh! Nice $100/year for an email account. :-/ ), even silly things you'd get from other manufacturers - like a way to connect your laptop to an external display without a $2, err, $30 adapter. So, let it play out a bit - maybe they push the whole 'disposable' model and solder on RAM, or make the SSD cheap(er) but not user upgradeable - they can drop some $, but so much for those of us who upgrade their machines themselves, want to drop in an optibay, and keep their systems for a few years or more.
Without user serviceable RAM and/or SSD, they just might use the extra space to add decent heatsinks into the MBP, along with, of course, a bigger battery. Need more space? Here comes iCloud - storage on demand. Why do you 'need' a big HD, when for a modest fee, Apple will keep everything in the cloud for you - music, movies, and now - all your files.
I bet they'll be screamers and be nice pieces of engineering, but it's likely going to piss off everyone looking at Optibays or wanting a real 'desktop replacement' type system. I do hope I'm wrong on that, and maybe they'll keep a 'thick, user serviceable model' around for another generation or so, but I'm betting they're thinking the sooner they can turn the laptops into an iPhone/iPad type model with much greater than 50% upgrade numbers within a few to 6 months of each semi-frequent release, the sooner they might be rolling in more extra cash.
Something different that I don't think we're quite ready for yet is simply buy your display - pick the size with integrated GPU and perhaps ARM, solid state drive/flash - there's your 'big iPad,' then buy a 'docking station' with beefier CPU(s), keyboard, Thunderbolt connection in the 'dock' and have the 'docking station' take over CPU duties along with discrete GPU if you've bought the 'Pro' station....at first you'd think it might cannibalize iPad sales, but if the iPad 3 (maybe 4?) can use the same 'docking station,' you've effectively got people buying the 'small' iPad for normal tablet/convenience use, plus 'docking station'/'real' computer plus an additional larger 'iPad' for the screen = $$$.
There's lots of 'coolness' factor in any of the scenarios, but likely alienating some of the real 'pro' users out there. And of course, with municipal broadband (read - unlimited, cheaper, faster in many cases) offerings being shut down by politicians and corporations, and those corps all drooling over the thought of bandwidth caps, it will be interesting to see how Apple pushes iCloud in the future. We have your data and you can get it any time, too bad your ISP will charge you $$$ when you want it too frequently. Unless of course, Apple 'partners' like they did with their phones - 4G/LTE at $100/month or so, unlimited for a year or so, then they pull an ATT and cap it down the road. 😱 Ok, hopefully that one's at least 2 generations away, but we'll see. 😀
lol a minor refresh?, sounds like your a teenager who just wants a new pretty macbook. for people who ACTUALLY use the mbp this was a nice power bump then last years....brah. besides who really gives a **** about a redesign. if it dosent come with ivy bridge, you basically still have a 2011 mbp fool.
Most likely updates on 2012 MBP.
Full HD IPS lcd on 15 & 17"/16· range 3D screens as option, 1680x1050 as base for 13·mbp.
Maybe 15 & 17 inch passed by a 16" model.
NO CD/DVD/BLUERAY BAY never again.
HDD: 1TB spinner as base, with small 8GB SSD on PCIe slot for Cache.
Full SSD 128GB as base 256/512 sure available.
more USB3 & Thunderbolt.
More Gorilla Glass.
Active Tpad (with some ePaper display for special modes) also with NFC.
Full HD IPS lcd on 15 & 17"/16· range 3D screens as option, 1680x1050 as base for 13·mbp.
Maybe 15 & 17 inch passed by a 16" model.
NO CD/DVD/BLUERAY BAY never again.
HDD: 1TB spinner as base, with small 8GB SSD on PCIe slot for Cache.
Full SSD 128GB as base 256/512 sure available.
more USB3 & Thunderbolt.
More Gorilla Glass.
Active Tpad (with some ePaper display for special modes) also with NFC.
DollFaceDork
macrumors 6502
my ipad 2 is charging so I'm using my winDOH'! laptop right now. I needs me a laptop pronto so Apple better update their macbooks pronto or I'm breaking into Tim Cook's office and leaving him a big smelly steamy surprise on his desk. 😛