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he means as astandard disk, not 1 that you pay 1000 dollars for, lika apple currently wants for their lottery-ticket mediocre drive.

Oh, makes sense, I don't think 512GB SSD will come standard either.

My guess for standard SSD configurations would be something like 128GB on both 13" models and the first 15", 256GB on the top end 15" and 17" with BTO options going up to 512GB (maybe 1TB later but unlikely this year).
 
The remaining of the post was pretty obvious and is general knowledge. This point, however, isn't. Great catch!

Thank you. By the way, I know that the rest of the post is pretty obvious, but I just wanted to separate straight facts from opinions and speculations. All we have right now are the facts. If we "connect the dots", as Steve Jobs would say, we may reach the conclusion that an all-new retina MacBook Pro refresh is on the works and will be released in the coming weeks. Although that's still mere speculation, it is supported by facts. It's not a byproduct of a collective illusion, as some people may tend to think...

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You think that it's unlikely that they will offer an option that they already offer with this generation?

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Of course they will offer it. The real question is how much this time. 1,200$ was too much and nobody bought it. Mass production will bing prices down though.

It depends on the amount of "Apple tax" they put, but it could be as low as 500$ given the price of SSDs right now.

Yes, of course Apple will offer SSDs. I meant that Apple will probably not replace HDDs by SSDs in the standard MacBook Pros.

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It certainly sounds like Intel is giving us a hint about the Retina Displays on MBPs. I'm sure Apple wants to be the first one like on the iOS devices but I'm not sure the foundries are ready for such large screens. It might be a while before we'll see it but if it comes out next month, my credit cards are definitely ready for it.

I don't know either. But I thought the new iPad retina screen wouldn't be released in a few years, and then Apple took me by surprise. I don't dare say that a 15" retina screen isn't possible in the coming weeks (especially after Intel clearly announced that Ivy Bridge will support retina displays).
 
If it is a re-design will Apple have the new accessories for the MBP the same day? Like a thinner case for say the 15" model if they update that first?
 
While true, i don't think Apple can pull it off now. If they wait till summer then sure but now... i just don't see it.
For what reason?
If it is a re-design will Apple have the new accessories for the MBP the same day? Like a thinner case for say the 15" model if they update that first?
Apple usually doesn't make accessories like cases, so it would be up to third parties. Since case manufacturers do not get early access to designs, I would guess no.
 
You know... the guy in charge of Apple?

No, since Steve died I havent cared or come across his name and if StuLax18 hasnt realised after 120 odd posts this website isn't called MacRumours for nothing.

So once again, anyone think there will be a 17" model?

I dont have Tim Cook's number to hand :p
 
No, since Steve died I havent cared or come across his name and if StuLax18 hasnt realised after 120 odd posts this website isn't called MacRumours for nothing.

So once again, anyone think there will be a 17" model?

I dont have Tim Cook's number to hand :p

There is a 17" model right now. I would assume there would continue to be.
 
I would also love to, but I don't think that's going to happen. SSD drives are still very expensive, even though Apple has acquired a company which produces them. The new iPad has just been released, and it offers a maximum of 64 GB. It would be feasible to think of SSDs with 128 or 256 GB in a MacBook Pro, but 512 GB is very unlikely. Still, would Apple consider replacing 500 and 750 GB HDDs for 128 and 256 (or even 512) SSDs? There would be a considerable downgrade in disk size, and not everybody would be happy with it. It is possible, but I guess not in the coming weeks.

I don't see it being a huge issue to throw a 512 in. More and more manufactures will be doing this, if they all do this at the same time it will drop the price enough to make it do able. Look the air has a 256, a pro could have 512 for the price tag, i don't mind a little extra if It means this. Im guessing option will be 512 and 1 tb or 750 gb hd as standard. As for the retina display we will see, apple could very well pull it off, they have the pull in the industry to get it done, wether it will use the retina display in 10.7 fully is another question, but the updated monitor will be there when users can upgrade. (Maybe?)

Either way I will be buying the next 15" to come out. I hope the cd drive is gone, I rarely use mine. Put something more useful, 2nd hd or bigger battery, extra ram slot? If I need it I would buy the external and lug it around as needed. But in the last 2-3 years I have used maybe 1 cd. Everything is available to download.
 
Oh, makes sense, I don't think 512GB SSD will come standard either.

My guess for standard SSD configurations would be something like 128GB on both 13" models and the first 15", 256GB on the top end 15" and 17" with BTO options going up to 512GB (maybe 1TB later but unlikely this year).

I would rather depressed if thats what Apple offers in a 15" macbook pro, a computer meant to be more of a performance computer rather than the air... 128Gb... is useless.
 
I would rather depressed if thats what Apple offers in a 15" macbook pro, a computer meant to be more of a performance computer rather than the air... 128Gb... is useless.

yes but right now Apple offers the MBP with a cheap HDD (rpm), not a super screen resolution and 4 GB as standard

i think Apple won't offer the top of everything with the new MBP Line, if you want more, you gotta customize and add

imho the Airs stay as they are
the Pros get 128 (15'') + cloud (they gotta make money with this service) or else buy their time capsule (errhms)
 
I would rather depressed if thats what Apple offers in a 15" macbook pro, a computer meant to be more of a performance computer rather than the air... 128Gb... is useless.

Exactly, the MBP is a performance computer, so it wouldn't make sense for it to have a slow 5400RPM hard drive while the MBA (cheapest Mac laptop) has a super-fast SSD.

Of course if you can't rely on external HDD or NAS, SSD is pricy in large capacity, but that's always like that when there's a transition in technology: either you pay the price for the newest tech or you get cheap, slightly outdated tech. Apple usually cares more about redefining standards than offering the cheapest products if you look at their past moves. They simply won't offer what they see as "on its way out" and move to what really is the future.

Some people are mad because they don't offer a regular affordable tower desktop computer, don't support Flash on iOS, Blu-Ray on Macs, USB ports and filesystem on mobile devices, optical drive on Mac mini, Lion on DVD, just to name a few, but Apple simply are like that and I think it's a good thing for the most part.

Of course people will also be mad the day the MBP will finally drop its optical drive and hard drives completely (whenever that is) but Apple do what they think is good, not what consumers ask for. That's the whole philosophy behind Apple and largely what makes them what they are today.

Maybe it's just me, but I really can't see a redesign that should last another 4 years or so come with a hard drive. If they feel people aren't ready for SDDs yet, I think they will keep the current design. That's probably why they still haven't updated it since 2008. Apple's vision of the future moves faster than most consumers', but it can't go too fast either.
 
Exactly, the MBP is a performance computer, so it wouldn't make sense for it to have a slow 5400RPM hard drive while the MBA (cheapest Mac laptop) has a super-fast SSD.

Of course if you can't rely on external HDD or NAS, SSD is pricy in large capacity, but that's always like that when there's a transition in technology: either you pay the price for the newest tech or you get cheap, slightly outdated tech. Apple usually cares more about redefining standards than offering the cheapest products if you look at their past moves. They simply won't offer what they see as "on its way out" and move to what really is the future.

Some people are mad because they don't offer a regular affordable tower desktop computer, don't support Flash on iOS, Blu-Ray on Macs, USB ports and filesystem on mobile devices, optical drive on Mac mini, Lion on DVD, just to name a few, but Apple simply are like that and I think it's a good thing for the most part.

Of course people will also be mad the day the MBP will finally drop its optical drive and hard drives completely (whenever that is) but Apple do what they think is good, not what consumers ask for. That's the whole philosophy behind Apple and largely what makes them what they are today.

Maybe it's just me, but I really can't see a redesign that should last another 4 years or so come with a hard drive. If they feel people aren't ready for SDDs yet, I think they will keep the current design. That's probably why they still haven't updated it since 2008. Apple's vision of the future moves faster than most consumers', but it can't go too fast either.

I agree but I dont like having to spend another 1500-3000 SEK (200-400 dollars) on my computer directly after purchase just because the 1799 dollar performance computer contains a harddrive where you cant fit a decent amount of performance computer stuff on.
 
Thank you. By the way, I know that the rest of the post is pretty obvious, but I just wanted to separate straight facts from opinions and speculations. All we have right now are the facts. If we "connect the dots", as Steve Jobs would say, we may reach the conclusion that an all-new retina MacBook Pro refresh is on the works and will be released in the coming weeks. Although that's still mere speculation, it is supported by facts. It's not a byproduct of a collective illusion, as some people may tend to think...

Exactly. Allow me to extend on some more fact-based speculation regarding the 13"s:

- Ivy Bridge supports natively USB 3.0. As such, unless Apples wants to purposely downgrade their laptop line to make Thunderbolt stand out more, we should see USB 3.0 on the MBPs as well.

- Apple has been going digital for a while now. They eliminated OS-installing DVDs, they eliminated MBA's OS-installing flashdrive, they eliminated boxed software out of their shelves, they created OS-recovering methods whenever you want to format your computer, and they have gone all-out on iTunes/iCloud. All of this hints at the removal of the ODD eventually, and next refresh isn't out of the question.

- The 13" MBAs have 1440*900 resolution, whiel the 13" MBPs have 1200*800. Even if they don't make the MBP 13" retina, they might bump it to 1400*900 (but then again, they could've done so last refresh already and did not...)
 
Exactly. Allow me to extend on some more fact-based speculation regarding the 13"s:

- Ivy Bridge supports natively USB 3.0. As such, unless Apples wants to purposely downgrade their laptop line to make Thunderbolt stand out more, we should see USB 3.0 on the MBPs as well.
Apple has no reason for doing this since TB is Intel's technology and Apple does not make any money from it.

- The 13" MBAs have 1440*900 resolution, whiel the 13" MBPs have 1200*800. Even if they don't make the MBP 13" retina, they might bump it to 1400*900 (but then again, they could've done so last refresh already and did not...)
The MBA screen has a higher resolution but the MBP screen looks a lot better since it's an iPS display (I have both).

I would hope that the MBP does not adopt the MBA's screen.
 
Apple has no reason for doing this since TB is Intel's technology and Apple does not make any money from it.

The MBA screen has a higher resolution but the MBP screen looks a lot better since it's an iPS display (I have both).

I would hope that the MBP does not adopt the MBA's screen.
AFAIR the current MBP use TN-Panels.
 
Apple has no reason for doing this since TB is Intel's technology and Apple does not make any money from it.

The MBA screen has a higher resolution but the MBP screen looks a lot better since it's an iPS display (I have both).

I would hope that the MBP does not adopt the MBA's screen.

The quality of the screen is not dependant on the resolution, nor vice-versa.

While agree that the MBP's screen quality is better than the MBA's, that does not mean the MBP can't keep its screen quality while adopting MBA's resolution. ;)

As for the USB 3.0 vs Thunderbolt part, let's hope you're right! :D
 
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