haha no worries, I got really excited before they found out it was about a yacht but I agree, Apple does usually keep a fairly tight lid on these things. Let's just all keep our fingers crossed for a release soon
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2012 Macbook Pro Redesign
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haha no worries, I got really excited before they found out it was about a yacht but I agree, Apple does usually keep a fairly tight lid on these things. Let's just all keep our fingers crossed for a release soon
With how things are progressing, it looks like we won't see any update at least for the following 2 months.
The Macbook pro is not Apple's main focus. Iphone and Ipad are way more profitable for them.
They will still pay some attention to these product line, but you can't expect the same treatment as they had in the past.
I say 2 months is the minimum we can expect an update, Sadly
You could be right but a month or so ago there was rumors of a "Thinner 13 MBP and and 15" in production"
Hmmmmm.
Ironically, my local Best Buy is having a sale on iMacs and Macbooks (only $50-$60 off), and they sorta put out their stock on display. Hopefully this is a good sign.
The only wrong part was thinner, it can't be thinner with a 45 watts IVB quad. BTW, it was only MBP 15 already in production according to Digitimes.
You can expect the same treatment. The treatment isn't much different than it ever has been. Apple updates their computers based on chip availability.
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Apple always releases thier new Macbooks on a Tuesday, and one or twice on a Thursday. But they always do it on Tuesday or Thursday.
My gut instinct still tells me that there will be a redesign, but nothing too dramatic (maybe very slightly thinner and "wedged" shaped design at most). If there weren't a redesign, why would Apple want to stagger the releases having the 15" launched soon (April/May) and the 13" later in June/July (again, these predictions were also based off rumors).
The only previous issue of the 13" sporting a quad-core was heat dissipation. But if there weren't a redesign, and only a spec bump with the processor, why wouldn't Apple release the 13" and the same time as the 15"? I mean with the lower wattage IB and more efficient integrated graphics, it shouldn't be a problem to stick a IB quad into the current 13" form factor.
From what I've read and researched so far... this is probably my best guess if there is a redesign:
Ivy Bridge (For sure; 2.7 and 2.9Ghz options)
Dedicated graphics (Can't rely just on HD4000, Nvidia or Radeon I wouldn't care too much)
Standard HDD with options for SSD (As much as I dislike HDDs, I just don't think Apple can drive down the prices of decent SATA3 6GB/s SSDs in the near future. Nor would I expect Apple to stick in some blade SSD as some have mentioned. I'd much much rather have just a standard HDD at a lower base price; then blow $300-350 on an 240GB OCZ Vertex 3 or 4. *SSDs that Apple offers for BTO options typically run 200mb/s max read and write, much rather spend a bit more third party and get closer to 500mb/s read write.
RAM... please don't solder it down like the MBA. Pro is all about customizing to your desires
As for display... nothing short of 1900x1200. Maybe a *crosses finger* standard Retina 2880x1800.
No ODD. Think logically about the layout of the inside guts of the MBA. If the new redesigned MBP eliminated the ODD, it would allow Apple to rearrange the layout of the insides. Assuming the redesign is slimmer with possibly a wedge shape, we could try and hypothesize the layout of the insides. With the MBP flipped "top" down, I'd expect the hard drive bay to be "top right" (2.5 SSD/HDD placed at the thickest point near where the back vents are on the current MBP). From here Apple could have two options;
1) allow for 2nd SSD/HDD just next to it (So far fetched but still... I'm dreaming here hehe), with the logic board towards one side position where your palms would rest (accounting for the fact that hopefully it IB would be more heat-friendly, then newer slimmer batteries on the other side.
2) Logic board placed adjacent to first SSD/HDD slot at the thickest point, allowing for a similar battery layout like the MBA - this would be more probable (keeping in mind space for dedicated graphics) AND as a result *hopefully* the MBP would have a ridiculous battery life
With either option, this would also allow the MBP to finally have ports on both sides.
As for the "full surface trackpad" rumours, I wouldn't really be surprised if the new redesigned MBP has it- given the patents and rumors. Not only would this really set the MBP line apart from other laptops in its class, it could also work very well if they decide to do a major revamp of gestures in Mountain Lion. Also, as for "mis-clicks", the rumors and patents of the full-surface trackpad said that Apple would work on creating an algorithm that distinguishes touch from your fingertips, and touch from your palm (so if your palm rested on it, it would recognize it and not affect your tracking).
Surround sound... doesn't really matter to me. Working with audio so mainly use AKG K702s anyways. One thing that I WOULD wish for is that Apple entire dumps their internal amps and onboard equalizer and actually launch a decent one Being an audiophile, I find that the internal amps are absolutely terrible. As a portable laptop, I wouldn't normally bring my amp with me everywhere so if I want to put on some IEMs and listen to some tunes, I don't want my ears to bleed from playing music on iTunes This is just a peeve and general issue I find across all Apple products- that's why I carry a separate Cowon J3 just for music and don't sync music onto my iPhone. So for Apple "audio" developers out there (if there's such thing lol) please correct this hehe
Apologize for any poor grammar or spelling errors... pretty late at night for me haha
The only previous issue of the 13" sporting a quad-core was heat dissipation. But if there weren't a redesign, and only a spec bump with the processor, why wouldn't Apple release the 13" and the same time as the 15"? I mean with the lower wattage IB and more efficient integrated graphics, it shouldn't be a problem to stick a IB quad into the current 13" form factor.
From what I've read and researched so far... this is probably my best guess if there is a redesign:
Ivy Bridge (For sure; 2.7 and 2.9Ghz options)
Dedicated graphics (Can't rely just on HD4000, Nvidia or Radeon I wouldn't care too much)
Standard HDD with options for SSD (As much as I dislike HDDs, I just don't think Apple can drive down the prices of decent SATA3 6GB/s SSDs in the near future. Nor would I expect Apple to stick in some blade SSD as some have mentioned. I'd much much rather have just a standard HDD at a lower base price; then blow $300-350 on an 240GB OCZ Vertex 3 or 4. *SSDs that Apple offers for BTO options typically run 200mb/s max read and write, much rather spend a bit more third party and get closer to 500mb/s read write.
RAM... please don't solder it down like the MBA. Pro is all about customizing to your desires
As for display... nothing short of 1900x1200. Maybe a *crosses finger* standard Retina 2880x1800.
No ODD. Think logically about the layout of the inside guts of the MBA. If the new redesigned MBP eliminated the ODD, it would allow Apple to rearrange the layout of the insides. Assuming the redesign is slimmer with possibly a wedge shape, we could try and hypothesize the layout of the insides. With the MBP flipped "top" down, I'd expect the hard drive bay to be "top right" (2.5 SSD/HDD placed at the thickest point near where the back vents are on the current MBP). From here Apple could have two options;
1) allow for 2nd SSD/HDD just next to it (So far fetched but still... I'm dreaming here hehe), with the logic board towards one side position where your palms would rest (accounting for the fact that hopefully it IB would be more heat-friendly, then newer slimmer batteries on the other side.
2) Logic board placed adjacent to first SSD/HDD slot at the thickest point, allowing for a similar battery layout like the MBA - this would be more probable (keeping in mind space for dedicated graphics) AND as a result *hopefully* the MBP would have a ridiculous battery life
With either option, this would also allow the MBP to finally have ports on both sides.
As for the "full surface trackpad" rumours, I wouldn't really be surprised if the new redesigned MBP has it- given the patents and rumors. Not only would this really set the MBP line apart from other laptops in its class, it could also work very well if they decide to do a major revamp of gestures in Mountain Lion. Also, as for "mis-clicks", the rumors and patents of the full-surface trackpad said that Apple would work on creating an algorithm that distinguishes touch from your fingertips, and touch from your palm (so if your palm rested on it, it would recognize it and not affect your tracking).
Surround sound... doesn't really matter to me. Working with audio so mainly use AKG K702s anyways. One thing that I WOULD wish for is that Apple entire dumps their internal amps and onboard equalizer and actually launch a decent one
Being an audiophile, I find that the internal amps are absolutely terrible. As a portable laptop, I wouldn't normally bring my amp with me everywhere so if I want to put on some IEMs and listen to some tunes, I don't want my ears to bleed from playing music on iTunes This is just a peeve and general issue I find across all Apple products- that's why I carry a separate Cowon J3 just for music and don't sync music onto my iPhone. So for Apple "audio" developers out there (if there's such thing lol) please correct this heheApologize for any poor grammar or spelling errors... pretty late at night for me haha
It's entirely possible. Anything is at this point. Last year everyone thought there was going to be a redesign as well - about as convinced as people are now really. And there was really no reason to other than a few digi-times style rumors about a new design and liquid metal and all that jazz.
I mean, I want a redesign as much as anyone, and there very well could be one, but we have to realize that just because we've been talking about these rumors for months, doesn't make them more than just rumors. We don't know anything until we see it on Apple's site.
I hope we'll get to find out soon.
Thinner is dumb on these. I'd rather see one that doesn't boil under light loads.
You're just projecting what you want rather than what is normal. This isn't much of a growing market. It's fairly mature, and it's becoming harder to convince people that they need a new machine every couple years (and really most consumers gain very little from that). Once a year is pretty much the norm here. The update last fall was just dropping in updated direct replacements mid cycle. If you don't see a redesign with the next release, you are unlikely to see one until at least next year.
Has digitimes ever been accurate?
Remember this is Tim Cook and not Steve Jobs anymore...meaning little updates. Mac lines not a priority anymore. Mac air is still flagship fo the fleet. May be MBP released next week and MBA later in summer to cincide with Montuain Lion release. Unfortunately, THE DREAM IS OVER!
I agree with you that the MacBook Pro still has a great design. But then there are at least two reasons to upgrade it: (i) people who already have a MBP will feel much more inclined to buy a new one if there is a redesign; and (ii) other manufacturers are putting a lot of effort in making new designs and Apple must keep up with competition.
I also agree that those features are still used by lots of people - but much less than they were used back in 2008. Steve Jobs once said that Apple does not aim to please everyone; they make products for the mainstream. And Apple tends to adopt products with a minimalistic design, which means to cut off some features, even if it does not make everybody happy. Sometimes form prevails over function. If Apple wants to make a thinner and lighter MBP - and it probably wants - it will have to drop some features of the current model.
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Because (i) Apple wants to upgrade the whole line of MBPs at once (13", 15" and 17") and the processors which will equip the 13" model are not yet available; or (ii) Apple does not yet have enough supply of retina displays to equip a brand-new MBP and it will have to wait a few more months; or (iii) Apple has updated its MPB line 180 days ago, and to update now would be too early. I'm just guessing, anyway. There may be lots of reasons why.
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Of course this is always a possibility. But then when Apple is going to redesign its line of MPB? The sooner would be Oct-Nov, and that may be a little bit late considering all the ultrabooks which will come up this year.
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C'mon! A US$ 500 billion company will not be run like that!
Intel is probably going to delay Haswell, so it doesn't cannibalize the sales of Ivy Bridge (just like it is doing with Ivy Bridge right now). AMD does not offer enough competition anymore...
Yeah I see, do you know what UK time the new Ivy Bridge processor launch is going to be on Monday is the rumors are correct that the quad core parts will launch on the 23rd?
It is annoying to see people talking doom and gloom about Macs. Macs are still VERY important to Apple. If you don't see a redesign this year, it is not because Apple doesn't care about Macs or that some paradigm shift in business occurred when Tim Cook took over. It's because Apple didn't feel the need to redesign the line. You'd still be getting a ton of updates, so I'm not sure how anyone could infer that they didn't care about the line. Before Unibody, the design of the Macbook Pro was old as well. When you have a good design you don't HAVE to update it often. If they don't redesign, it does not mean you won't get retina displays, or USB 3.0, or any of the things you should be infinitely more excited for. It simply means you have the same design.
what would these be?
also for most people buying a mac is a big purchasing decision, they want their product to look new for as long as possible, therefore waiting for the new milestone is best.
if apple didn't refresh this year they would be making a very bad business decision.
I don't think that the current models look bad, its just the thought that they will change them soon that puts me and others off buying now.
I guess we need to agree to disagree. Most of your complaints with PC's are focussed on the casing design, and I agree their fuggly, but the variety of hardware out there guarantees you will find a computer that can do the job required. The Macbook pro is great looking and physically solid but you would expect this as you pay the premium.
My main points were focussed on redundent CD drives, slow HD and weight. But the biggest pro problem is the screens. Low resolutions and very poor in colour and contrast quality. The Mat screen on the macbook pro, suffers from different but just as serious flaws as the glossy. These cheap screens are impossible to calibrate correctly and should not be used on the high end laptops. To add further insult my iPad has a higher resolution than my MacBook!! Seriously, you think this is exceptable.
If they call it a pro, then these issues need to be fixed. Apple have focussed more on small mobile devices and dropped the ball in the professional market. You only have to look at the mess they made with FCP as evidence that Apple are not interested in the professional market. They even invented words like prosumer! Really... Sort this ***** out Apple.
My 2 cents