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40 pages of this 80 page thread are chimera bickering with people and liquiin repeating himself.

I hope we don't have to keep this going until June.
 
Glad you finally found a reference for that assertion; oh, wait...


In other - more relevant - news:
Ars: MacBook Pros could go all-quad-core with first-wave Ivy Bridge processors

Again...Have you not noticed the high resolution artwork in lion? Notice the 2x designator.

Another.

Quote from the air display app : Developer Avatron announced its “Air Display” app, which allows iPhones, iPads and Macs to act as a second or third monitor, would be implementing support for the 2048-by-1536 resolution of the new iPad’s 264-DPI Retina display. That means you will soon be able to use your third-generation iPad as a 2048-by-1536 computer monitor. To turn on HiDPI, you just go to the Displays Preferences and select 1024×768 (HiDPI)…HiDPI has been shipping with Mac OS X for some time. But it isn’t enabled in the System Preferences, because until now there hasn’t been a mass-produced computer display with high enough resolution to do it justice. That’s where Air Display and the new iPad come in.

As you can see, HiDpi mode on Lion works EXACTLY like it does on iOS.
 
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Now that's speculation I can get behind! A quad core 13" MBP would be pretty close to perfection for my needs.

Its all speculation ofc, but I think it would be a good idea. I believe Apple benefits from and should have 2 separate and distinguished lines of laptops, and I know theres alot of talk about merges, but I have a hard time seeing it. What if all laptop manufacturers all went for the ultraportable versions and performance machines all became history. No I believe its good to have a performance line and a portabilityline. (yeah because Pro's are _so_ non-portable :p)
Anyhow, giving the Macbook Pro 13" a Quad-core will better distinguish it from the air series, because as it is now, Alot of people are questioning wether theres any point in having it when its almost too near the air, with some options to upgrades that the air lacks. I dont know if a dGPU is possible, but I am hoping for it anyway, even if still going for the 15"... Because I feel it would be good for the Pros to maintain their performance and upgradability to make it an option for all those people who enjoy games and other stuff that a GPU is used for.
Sure feels like more and more people are switching to laptops for whatever reasons, gaming, design etc etc, we want the flexibility it gives us. And to move towards computers whos performances are much more limited feels like a step in the wrong direction, if it is the only available option.

However, maybe Apple just doesnt give a **** about the people buying their computers, instead going in the direction they want us in.
 
Anyhow, giving the Macbook Pro 13" a Quad-core will better distinguish it from the air series, because as it is now, Alot of people are questioning wether theres any point in having it when its almost too near the air, with some options to upgrades that the air lacks. I dont know if a dGPU is possible, but I am hoping for it anyway, even if still going for the 15"... Because I feel it would be good for the Pros to maintain their performance and upgradability to make it an option for all those people who enjoy games and other stuff that a GPU is used for.

Totally agree. Another problem with a consolidated line is things like the HD/SSD capacity. If Apple ONLY makes a 13" air version, then you're telling me that HD capacity pretty much maxes out (from Apple) at 256GB. That's a big step down from the 500/750GB currently offered in the 13". And I just can't remember a time where Apple actually downgraded a feature as fundamental as HD capacity with a new line of products.

Keeping the Air and Pro lines should make sense, where Apple is really just going to add a 15" Air sometime soon.
 
Totally agree. Another problem with a consolidated line is things like the HD/SSD capacity. If Apple ONLY makes a 13" air version, then you're telling me that HD capacity pretty much maxes out (from Apple) at 256GB. That's a big step down from the 500/750GB currently offered in the 13". And I just can't remember a time where Apple actually downgraded a feature as fundamental as HD capacity with a new line of products.

Keeping the Air and Pro lines should make sense, where Apple is really just going to add a 15" Air sometime soon.


first an Air doesnt need much own storage (now comes who says the oppo) (256gb + cloud is enough)
secondly 'never happened' because now there is the Cloud and Apple wants to make money from it

if we say that we dont need the optical drive because data can be stored in the cloud, the same goes for a huge hard disk and portable files

in my laptop after 2 years i havent passed 250gb (and i have a lot of stuff here and there that if i clean i
cut another 80-50gb)


--this is for the 13''-- the 15'' and maybe 17'' are another story

Apple wants to spill from your pockets sweet dollars for extra storage.
If they want it, they will make it work.
 
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Here is my thoughts. If the store goes down we get to see "our precious". If not, no update.
 
No news

So no news in terms of new products. The only comment I found interesting was the iPad vs MBA view from Tim since everyone believes that there could be some canibalization between them.

I just find strange that the largest Apple retailer here in Portugal launched a very agressive discount campaign mainly on iMac and MBP with discounts going as huge as 520 USD........ This campaign will finish tomorrow which indicates that they want to get rid of stock as much as possible until tomorrow.

Perhaps it means nothing and they are just trying to comply with sale objectives.
 
I don't understand what is stopping Apple from announcing the Macbook Pros before the end of this month. Intel announced their chips, and even the 13" could get a 3612QM. Kepler is out and AMD just announced their 28nm chips too. I'm sure they've got the design down and they probably have other products (like iMacs and Macbook Airs and more) that should be announced during summer. 10 new laptop/desktops seems excessive for one announcement.

The only thing I don't know is what the lower end 13" Macbook Pro's processor would be. I suppose it'd just be a slightly retarded Sandy Bridge dual core chip from the previous generation...or they could just put the 3612QM for both models of the 13"....

Point is: All of the hardware that would go into the new Pros has been announced and will be available before the end of the month. Waiting another month for WWDC or whatever just seems like a waste of time. Does anyone else agree or what? Plus I'm sitting on about $2600 for a new 15" and in need of a laptop pretty soon haha.
 
In view of the Thunderbolt fiasco and Apple's continuing inability to get OS X to dependably handle GPU switching and external monitor support in setups that have to switch between on-die and discrete chips, I want an Ivy Bridge Macbook Pro or Air and I want it now -- for the simple reason that it will support USB 3 and the on-die graphics are good enough to forget about the discrete chip. It should also get better battery life and/or be smaller. If they get their Thunderbolt display to work cross-platform I'll throw one of those in too. Failing that, could Apple at least produce a Thunderbolt-to-ESATA cable?
 
I don't understand what is stopping Apple from announcing the Macbook Pros before the end of this month. Intel announced their chips, and even the 13" could get a 3612QM. Kepler is out and AMD just announced their 28nm chips too. I'm sure they've got the design down and they probably have other products (like iMacs and Macbook Airs and more) that should be announced during summer. 10 new laptop/desktops seems excessive for one announcement.

The only thing I don't know is what the lower end 13" Macbook Pro's processor would be. I suppose it'd just be a slightly retarded Sandy Bridge dual core chip from the previous generation...or they could just put the 3612QM for both models of the 13"....

Point is: All of the hardware that would go into the new Pros has been announced and will be available before the end of the month. Waiting another month for WWDC or whatever just seems like a waste of time. Does anyone else agree or what? Plus I'm sitting on about $2600 for a new 15" and in need of a laptop pretty soon haha.

for the lower end 13" mbp they are going to wait for Intel to release their dual core ivy bridge chips in the coming months
 
for the lower end 13" mbp they are going to wait for Intel to release their dual core ivy bridge chips in the coming months

You say this like its a fact, when you imply things are facts, it is preferrable to add a source.

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Q: Can you talk about how you think about the markets for tablets and PC devices going forward? You've been fairly clear about saying that tablets will eclipse PC's in volume at some point, and they are somewhat discrete markets. There seems to be a lot of work on PC platforms to combine PC and tablet experiences going forward. Can you comment on why you don't believe the MacBook Air and tablet markets won't converge? Isn't it realistic to believe that we'll have a device under 2 lbs that will be a notebook and a tablet? Can you comment on why you don't think that product will come?

A: Anything can be forced to converge. The products are about tradeoffs. You begin to make tradeoffs to the point where what you have left at the end of the day doesn't please anyone. You can converge a toaster and a refrigerator but those won't be pleasing to the user. Our view is that the tablet market is huge and we've said that since day one. We didn't wait until we had results. We were using them here and it was clear to us that there was so much you could do and the reasons people used them would be so broad, the iPad is so useful in consumer, and enterprise and education -- the applications are so easy to make very meaningful for someone and there is such an abundance of those, as the ecosystem gets better and better -- we'll continue to double down on making great products. The limit here is nowhere in sight. It's been 2 years since we shipped the iPad and we've sold more than 60 million iPads. Took 24 years to sell that many Macs, 5 years to sell that many iPods, 3 years to sell that many iPhones.

iPad is a great product, appeal is universal, I could not be happier with being in the market and the level at which we're innovating in the product and the ecosystem.

I also believe that there is a very good market for the MacBook Air and we continue to innovate in that product. I do think that it appeals to someone that has a little bit different requirements. You wouldn't want to put these things together because you wind up compromising and not pleasing either user. Some people prefer to own both, but to make the compromises on convergence... we're not going to that party. Others might, particularly from a defensive point of view but we're going to play in both.

I liked the sound of this, okay the conversation is ipad vs air, but surely this viewpoint could (and should?) crossover into pro vs air aswell. Converging products is not always optimal.
 
for the lower end 13" mbp they are going to wait for Intel to release their dual core ivy bridge chips in the coming months

I still think it's a little ridiculous to postpone the entire lineup for one specific model. They should just have one 13" model with the 3612QM. Or, like I said, just throw in the 2nd gen processor at a very low price perhaps.

13" holding the whole party up dammit.
 
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