Like to see either player win a title.
I could handle the Colts getting in, but hell no on the Eagles!
I'd like if they weren't playing the colts... maybe they could get even with the Pats...
Despite a horrible coach even!
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2014-15 NFL season thread
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Like to see either player win a title.
I'd like if they weren't playing the colts... maybe they could get even with the Pats...
Despite a horrible coach even!
All the finesse in the AFC QBs with Manning leading the way well on the way to another passing record, but NFC has shown again this is physical and this is football.
22-7, Stl. over Denver which was oddly reminiscent of another NFC West team (Seahawks) in a spanking of a prima ballerina quarterback in last season's Super Bowl. They won ugly like Seattle seems to do, but also like other NFC teams of the past like Bucs, Giants, and Redskins and many others.
If guys like Manning and Brady (and Jim Kelly in old days) don't get anybody in their face, then they put up big, historical numbers, but even the smallest wrench in their precision quarterbacking ruins their day. They seem to forget this isn't touch football.
Manning while being the best NFL QB in history on many levels, still can't seem to shake a physical defense whether it be today, last season's Super Bowl, or numerous postseason losses where opponents got randy on him. Even with big numbers which he seems to own in almost every category, something psychological takes over in red zone and it becomes a mental block. The only AFC QB with big numbers who can take a blitz or hit seems to be Andrew Luck. We will soon see (tonight) if he gets pressure and if he continues to hold up like he has in his career. He's the type of guy who can take ups and downs and still remain relatively the same and Colts fans may be happy he took the helm. He's the best chance on AFC side because he's tough in an increasingly tougher sport in late season weeks, but many on NFC side look Super Bowl worthy and Green Bay seems to be added to list of potential NFC combat style Super Bowl champs.
It's still early and maybe Manning can get the monkey off his back of not fully completing/winning a postseason since 2006. It would be nice to see the guy get just one more before he retires but today has shown he just can't take an on fire D and if anything, he seems easier to collapse if attacked early in a game. If Manning gets a second Super Bowl win and makes himself a multiple Super Bowl winner, and if he throws enough yards to surpass Brett Favre's 71+K yards, then with consistent play throughout his career and most TDs ever would pretty much make him the GOAT in terms of quarterbacks. He could ride off into the sunset like a Michael Jordan or Derek Jeter and be king of his sport. Today's loss was ugly, and so much more being against a last place team, but that's what makes football a lot of fun to watch.
22-7, Stl. over Denver which was oddly reminiscent of another NFC West team (Seahawks) in a spanking of a prima ballerina quarterback in last season's Super Bowl. They won ugly like Seattle seems to do, but also like other NFC teams of the past like Bucs, Giants, and Redskins and many others.
If guys like Manning and Brady (and Jim Kelly in old days) don't get anybody in their face, then they put up big, historical numbers, but even the smallest wrench in their precision quarterbacking ruins their day. They seem to forget this isn't touch football.
Manning while being the best NFL QB in history on many levels, still can't seem to shake a physical defense whether it be today, last season's Super Bowl, or numerous postseason losses where opponents got randy on him. Even with big numbers which he seems to own in almost every category, something psychological takes over in red zone and it becomes a mental block. The only AFC QB with big numbers who can take a blitz or hit seems to be Andrew Luck. We will soon see (tonight) if he gets pressure and if he continues to hold up like he has in his career. He's the type of guy who can take ups and downs and still remain relatively the same and Colts fans may be happy he took the helm. He's the best chance on AFC side because he's tough in an increasingly tougher sport in late season weeks, but many on NFC side look Super Bowl worthy and Green Bay seems to be added to list of potential NFC combat style Super Bowl champs.
It's still early and maybe Manning can get the monkey off his back of not fully completing/winning a postseason since 2006. It would be nice to see the guy get just one more before he retires but today has shown he just can't take an on fire D and if anything, he seems easier to collapse if attacked early in a game. If Manning gets a second Super Bowl win and makes himself a multiple Super Bowl winner, and if he throws enough yards to surpass Brett Favre's 71+K yards, then with consistent play throughout his career and most TDs ever would pretty much make him the GOAT in terms of quarterbacks. He could ride off into the sunset like a Michael Jordan or Derek Jeter and be king of his sport. Today's loss was ugly, and so much more being against a last place team, but that's what makes football a lot of fun to watch.
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They won't prove themselves to everyone unless they win the Super Bowl.
Actually, even then, there will still be the doubters and haters.
I think that can be said about any team, but it does feel a little more is directed towards the Pats.
Yes. It's tough. Part of it is everyone hates Brady and Belichick due to their success/media coverage/personalities/whatever other excuse, so they are less willing to give credit when it's due. That in turn pisses off Patriots fans, who then become aggressive homers in retaliation, making them come across like arses, particularly on the internet. It's a vicious cycle.
Still a lot of season left, though you have to like what you're seeing if you're a Patriots fan. Really fun to see Jonas Gray take his opportunity and run with it, and Gronk is just special.
The whole Marshawn Lynch/Seahawks thing is just strange. I can't figure out what benefit there is in talking about that stuff in public.
Surprised to see the Rams beat the Broncos (thanks for screwing my eliminator challenge pick, guys). Some uncharacteristically bad decisions from Manning the last couple of games.
Patriots, and the Broncos also, have shown they are good teams and could beat good teams.
But with a 0-4 record in last 4 Super Bowls they have collectively been to, the legacies of both teams have developed monkeys on their backs.
Sure the Pats were winners in the past decade as well as the Broncos when it came to Super Bowls (and twice with Elway and company in late 1990s), but this whole new decade is a brand new blank slate that they need to make a mark on.
Pats last was Super Bowl victory was way back in '04 season and Broncos last was way back when in the 1990s, but Peyton with Colts was still pretty long ago in '06.
Doubters and haters don't go away unless you do win that Super Bowl. One can still hate you, like Broncos fans can say of Seahawks, but no longer will they doubt you for at least the next few years. But once a few key players are retired or on other teams, then that great Seahawks team has to rebuild from scratch like many other teams. The glow of a Super Bowl win does not last that long. Yes, there was a time when Pats were the team of the 2000s with 3 for 3 in a row for Super Bowl tries and victories, and the Elway Broncos had his two last seasons result in Super Bowl wins, but what most remember as they head into postseason is that Brady and Pats have lost most recent two Super Bowls and Manning and Broncos got whipped last year.
All this doubt goes away, as for "best" team, when a team wins the Super Bowl. It's been a dog's age since either Manning (Peyton) or Brady have hoisted that trophy.
Green Bay is looking very good at the moment, so are the Patriots. I would say, right now, they are the odds on favorites to get to the Super Bowl.
no it wouldn't, there are plenty of us who plain dislike the princess and would be just as happy if he had as many SB rings as Archie does
Interesting day for running backs in the league.
Blount released from the Steelers and Ben Tate released from the Browns.
Blount released from the Steelers and Ben Tate released from the Browns.
I didn't know Archie had one. Anyway, when the press from day 1 is already considering him the best young QB ever, and then after a few seasons simply the "best" then one can start to believe their own hype.
For a guy who has been to postseason that many times, it's amazing he has only one Super Bowl victory. All the other stuff he has done will have all the NFL talking heads still call him the greatest of all time (in his position) when he retires, but as a postseason player, there are many far lesser teams/QBs who have gone on to do more in postseason.
I think if Peyton gets one more and at least matches his much lesser QB brother, then he may not act so much like a princess who deserves multiple Super Bowl titles. It seems that Tom Brady who lost his last two in games he was favored to win, or Dan Marino who was always on the list every year to get there, or Jim Kelly who went to big game four years in a row all didn't act in such a prima donna way acting like the title should be theirs. It's a team sport and even more than that, injuries and just plain bad days can swing a game either way so nothing is promised. Peyton's still playing great but he's still much older than his most consistent years when he was in his 20s and could rise above a few hits and play as if nothing bad happened. His 6'5" inch frame and build like a linebacker kept him on the field when others would have been demolished, but now his size only makes him slow and fall all that much harder. All the cards are stacked against him in his later years if he believes he's not going to get sacked or blitzed. Like many large younger QBs, he would wait and complete a pass and take that hit and never be forced to rush a pass like other great ones before him like other tough players like Favre and McMahon, but now even the slightest rush will make him throw way off course and be playing in fear. At least Denver has some protection on his blind side unlike last year when he was largely unprotected by fully seasoned and healthy offensive line.
I still hope he gets one more victory and pulls it off having done it young with the Colts, and as an older player with the Broncos. I wouldn't dispute his complete dominance in that position over anyone in history, and doubting his ability to win the big ones later in his career. Maybe he could end the book with a ride off in the sunset moment for Denver the way Elway did. I rooted against Elway being a Niners fan (who saw Denver beat Montana's team all throughout that decade of the 1980s) but you would have to have a really cold heart to want to see someone play as long and well as he did yet never win the Super Bowl.
It's also hard not to be a princess when the "other" best QB of our time says this about Manning:
http://papyrus.greenville.edu/2014/11/peyton-manningthe-greatest-of-all-time/
“What he’s accomplished and the way that he studies, the way he prepares. He’s really got a killer instinct too. I’ve been fortunate to be around him on a lot of occasions and we always hit it off; we have a great relationship and he’s a friend of mine and someone that I always watch and admire because he always wants to improve, he always wants to get better and he doesn’t settle for anything less than the best. So when you watch the best and you’re able to learn from the best, hopefully that helps me get better.” – Tom Brady on Peyton Manning
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Rumors that both were released in part because of their grumbling about playing time. Seems like running talent is aplenty in the league right now.
He does not. In fact, he was not even in a single play-off game. Archie played for the paper-bag-over-the-fans-heads New Orleans Aints for almost all of his career, never winning more than half a season's games. His career QB rating works out to 67.1, because the teams he played on were, as AustinIllini put it so cleverly, raging dumpster fires that would take much more than a marquee quarterback to quench.
On the upside, he had more than three times the rushing yardage as Peyton, or five times more than Eli.
If they make it through waivers. Teams may play a game of keep away with those guys.
btw, did anyone watch all of that Eagles-Packers game? There was one play that pulled up some bad memories for me.
Deep in their own territory, Sanchez made a bad throw, or maybe a good throw that went awry, leading to a pick-6. Flag on the play. The penalty was on Sanchez, for an illegal chop block on the runback. If I understand correctly, he was trying to tackle the guy with the ball and dove in front of another player.
What-the-ever-lovin'- ?
That was the exact same call they made on Hasselbeck in SB XL, it did not make sense then, it does not make sense now. If it is illegal to make that move, they need to clarify that you cannot make a diving tackle in front of another player (because of injury risk, I guess), and not call it some kind of "block", because blocking is done to aid the ball carrier. And if it is not illegal (not an unreasonable way to attempt a tackle), they ought not call it at all.
Deep in their own territory, Sanchez made a bad throw, or maybe a good throw that went awry, leading to a pick-6. Flag on the play. The penalty was on Sanchez, for an illegal chop block on the runback. If I understand correctly, he was trying to tackle the guy with the ball and dove in front of another player.
What-the-ever-lovin'- ?
That was the exact same call they made on Hasselbeck in SB XL, it did not make sense then, it does not make sense now. If it is illegal to make that move, they need to clarify that you cannot make a diving tackle in front of another player (because of injury risk, I guess), and not call it some kind of "block", because blocking is done to aid the ball carrier. And if it is not illegal (not an unreasonable way to attempt a tackle), they ought not call it at all.