2015-2016 NFL Season Thread

[63dot]

Nobody can prove or disprove Goodell's loyalty.

But put yourself in his shoes.

You want to get into NFL. You get a chance with an intern job with NY Jets. It's a dream come true (probably was) and you move up through the ranks. I don't know about you all, but I dearly hang onto my first real job's memories as a great thing in many ways (even though it was small pizza kitchen dishwasher gig in my tiny village).

It taught me about work and teamwork in general. Where would Goodell be without that first foot in door? Being human, not a partial jerk or ladder climber or anything, it would be hard not to have immense gratitude toward the New York Jets for life.

Don't you think that there's a little push in there to punish a team (NE Patriots) that is the main barrier between going home early or entering the postseason?

That's why I believe next commissioner should not have prior NFL team on his resume. Get a business and/or government tested leader to take job.

 

[MacNut]

If Pats and/or Brady did cheat and solid evidence comes up, I will call for harsher penalties than anyone here and hopefully, or as soon as I hear it, be the first on this thread to mention that. I will admit I was fooled and believed Brady when I shouldn't have.

But until that evidence is put forth, I stand behind Brady and the Pats. I am going to look online and sign a petition to lift ban on 2015-16 Pats if such a petition exists.

Goodell is not going to allow this to go to federal court without solid evidence. Brady was going to take a reduced sentence if this was covered up, The NFL said no so the full 4 games went back on the table. Brady doesn't want to admit guilt because he wants his legacy intact. Maybe he should of thought about that before he ordered his phone to be "NFL Wifed".

 

[63dot]

Goodell is not going to allow this to go to federal court without solid evidence. Brady was going to take a reduced sentence if this was covered up, The NFL said no so the full 4 games went back on the table. Brady doesn't want to admit guilt because he wants his legacy intact. Maybe he should of thought about that before he ordered his phone to be "NFL Wifed".

It's so easy to get the calls and texts but that would take a lot of money and legal wrangling, and I don't think the NFL would be happy to find how little there is on there anyway.

I think Goodell knows there's nothing on those so currently if "some people" think that Tom Brady may have "cheated" then that's good enough for him. Goodell, a truly hated figure in the sports world, gets to save face on this one.

It's time for Goodell to go.

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/66-reasons-roger-goodell-should-resign-20141010

http://www.thenation.com/article/open-letter-roger-goodell-its-time-resign/

http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/roger-goodell-resign

 

[MacNut]

It's so easy to get the calls and texts but that would take a lot of money and legal wrangling, and I don't think the NFL would be happy to find how little there is on there anyway.

I think Goodell knows there's nothing on those so currently if "some people" think that Tom Brady may have "cheated" then that's good enough for him. Goodell, a truly hated figure in the sports world, gets to save face on this one.

It's time for Goodell to go.

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/66-reasons-roger-goodell-should-resign-20141010

Your going to go with a Rolling Stone article, their credibility is **** now a days.

 

[rdowns]

Now that's approaching conspiracy theory, don't you think. Let's think this one out.

Wouldn't that make them (ball handlers) mad enough to turn in Brady? How come they didn't speak out? If they have real evidence press would easily make ball handler millionaire and it would be biggest NFL story of that year.

Here's the hard fact that during last season the Pats bested NYJ even though there were years when Jets bested Pats but that's football.

Why is it that Jets fans think Brady cheated and nobody else? Just look all over threads.

You can say I am defending Pats because they took down the Seahawks but honestly I am only happy when my beloved Niners beat Seahawks and don't care with other games Seahawks play.

Yes SF was awash in Pats uniforms that day, and it helps that Brady is well known SF area boy with house here, but I root for Niners to win, not root against teams that bested us. I am not a sore loser. Seattle has some jerks but they were and are better than Niners.

And I will admit that not only are the Seahawks better than Niners and Pats but that they are current and next big NFL dynasty. I think NE got lucky at end but it's still a Pats win and there still no evidence so NFL should lift ban.

I ask a question and it's conspiracy theories. Have you read any of your posts over the years?

Again, where are the ballboys and why are they still suspended?

 

[63dot]

I ask a question and it's conspiracy theories. Have you read any of your posts over the years?

Again, where are the ballboys and why are they still suspended?

Yes, I am admittedly far left on most issues and many in the right and even middle consider those beliefs off the map, especially things like me being into Bernie Sanders (yes, the socialist) which just kills my establishment democrat, pro-Hilary friends. I am used to being called the tin foil guy, and especially on stuff like Bernie, and he will get beaten back by Hilary pretty much the way a Bush or Walker will beat back Trump.

But in other circles, like law school, I was actually a moderate. There were people so far to the left that they redefined tin foil hat. It's one thing to think left of center and want to start a conversation as I would suggest and get input from all points of view, but I am not about suing the whole darn establishment and taking on society as if there was a cause as big as civil rights in 1964 or the Vietnam War.

But politics aside and those unpopular far left theories I may have, don't you think it's kind of hard to suspend Brady based on very little evidence? You can ask as much as you like and fine, what about the ball handlers? Then what about them not coming to press and selling cheating story for a king's ransom? I think the fact that they didn't come forward, and with the money that can make, pretty much shows there's nothing there.

The Patriots should hire them back if they don't currently have a job. Now if somebody fired them to keep them from making Brady/Pats look "bad", then fire those heads who did that. If it's Belichick then show him the door. It's about reputation and somebody must have gone too far. If it was about "evidence", then don't you think that would have come out a long time ago?

If you can prove to me that Brady cheated, or show me a viable link, then I will be first to call for him to get Super Bowl ring stripped.

 

[bigjnyc]

This was one of the questions asked of Belichik from one of the reporters today. I think this sums it up nicely:

"Is there something flawed about the system here in the organization that you keep ending up in these cheating controversies? Can you explain why?"

Of course the hoodie dodged the question and didn't answer, but everyone knows.

 

[AustinIllini]

This was one of the questions asked of Belichik from one of the reporters today. I think that pretty much sums it up:

"Is there something flawed about the system here in the organization that you keep ending up in these cheating controversies? Can you explain why?"

Of course the hoodie dodged the question and didn't answer, but everyone knows.

No, there's something wrong with all the organizations in the NFL, because they cheat just as much but don't have four superbowls since 2000.

 

[zioxide]

Goodell doesn't care about what is right and only wants to win this fight against Brady. Goodell is shamed because he couldn't find evidence on his accusations and instead of admitting he was wrong in this witch hunt against Brady, Goodell continues to shame league with his enormous ego.

Goodell is just a narcissistic egomaniac who's too much of a coward to admit that he was wrong. That's why they've created this whole narrative about cell phones to distract from the science that proves the balls were not tampered with at all.

The only thing that will help the Jets is a franchise QB, and I don't see Goodell handing us one anytime soon.

Kensil is the man who started this whole charade. He's had a vendetta against the Patriots ever since Belichick ditched the Jets after a day to become the Pats head coach.

Goodell is not going to allow this to go to federal court without solid evidence. Brady was going to take a reduced sentence if this was covered up, The NFL said no so the full 4 games went back on the table. Brady doesn't want to admit guilt because he wants his legacy intact. Maybe he should of thought about that before he ordered his phone to be "NFL Wifed".

yada yada yada.

Brady provided the NFL with all the communications they asked for during the appeal hearing. That info was ignored.

Brady also had a professor from Yale explain the science and illustrate how exponent got it wrong during his appeal. That was also ignored.

Brady doesn't want to admit guilt BECAUSE HE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG. That has been throughly proved by science. If you were accused of a crime you didn't commit, would you admit to it? I don't think so.

Again, where are the ballboys and why are they still suspended?

Probably on vacation considering the season is still 6 weeks away.

This was one of the questions asked of Belichik from one of the reporters today. I think this sums it up nicely:

"Is there something flawed about the system here in the organization that you keep ending up in these cheating controversies? Can you explain why?"

Of course the hoodie dodged the question and didn't answer, but everyone knows.

Everyone does know why. It has something to do with the jewelry in this photo. Jealous haters can't stand the fact that the Patriots have basically steamrolled the league for the vast majority of Brady's career. The Patriots W/L record since 2000 is far and away better than any other team in the league.

 

[MacNut]

Brady provided the NFL with all the communications they asked for during the appeal hearing. That info was ignored.

Do you have a link that proves that?

 

[zioxide]

Do you have a link that proves that?

http://www.csnne.com/new-england-pa...nt-says-nfl-mischaracterized-cell-phone-issue

“They shifted from PSI to the new shiny object, the cell phone,” said Yee. “We expected this. Because this was the easy way to pivot off the junk science and get off the PSI issue. And we knew that from a newsworthiness standpoint, the general public might be easily fooled. But in the coming days -- just like the Wells Report being picked apart after its issuance -- the same thing happens with this.”

...

“We compiled all of Tom’s personal cell phone billing records from his vendor from September through the end of February 2015. The records detail every incoming and outgoing phone call. Every incoming and outgoing text,” Yee explains. “We submitted that to the commissioner. They would then be able to determine were there any other communications with Patriots personnel that were not outlined in the Wells Report. Everything matched up perfectly with the Wells Report with the exception of three texts between Tom and [John] Jastrzemski on February 7, and that was only because Wells had given Jastrzemski’s phone back [on] February 7. As far as any texts prior to the AFC Championship Game, where any alleged scheming would have taken place, Ted Wells would have had any communications between Tom, Jastrzemski and [Jim] McNally. This personal phone billing record compiled by an independent third party shows that he had no communications at all with McNally.

“In an effort to be even more transparent, we decided to offer to the commissioner to disclose the identities of everyone that Tom communicated with. We said that some of these individuals are NFL-related personnel and that the commissioner has the power to compel a search of their phone to see if they have texts remaining on their phone from Tom. The commissioner’s own decision in footnote 11 acknowledges this and says they thought it was impractical to conduct this search. The amount of NFL-related personnel that the league needed to consult, if they so chose, was 28 people. Which is not very many people. And a number of those people they had information from already. Tom texted from December 24 to February 24 these NFL-related personnel. Ten teammates, two current coaches, five former teammates, one NFL Network personnel, five front-office personnel and five other Patriots employees. A number of them, the league had the authority to say, ‘Check your cell phone, we want any text exchanges between you and Tom Brady from that period.’ They chose not to. I don’t know why.”

there's more in the article but I can only post part due to the forum rules.

 

[AustinIllini]

Do you have a link that proves that?

He has more proof than Goodell does

 

[zioxide]

Robert Kraft is the most powerful owner in the biggest sports league in the country. His statement today was quite stunning. Never in my lifetime of watching sports have I seen an owner call out a commissioner this badly in a public statement.

http://www.patriots.com/news/2015/07/29/robert-kraft-press-conference-transcript

 

[bigjnyc]

Everyone does know why. It has something to do with the jewelry in this photo. Jealous haters can't stand the fact that the Patriots have basically steamrolled the league for the vast majority of Brady's career. The Patriots W/L record since 2000 is far and away better than any other team in the league.

 

[MacNut]

Robert Kraft is the most powerful owner in the biggest sports league in the country. His statement today was quite stunning. Never in my lifetime of watching sports have I seen an owner call out a commissioner this badly in a public statement.

http://www.patriots.com/news/2015/07/29/robert-kraft-press-conference-transcript

I don't think he is the most powerful owner in the NFL, he might like to think he is.

 

[zioxide]

Cute picture from a typical hater.

You know the tuck rule was a legal rule, right? And it was called properly.

Anyone who brings that up just shows their bias.


None of you guys have even attempted to refute the science that exonerates the Patriots. That speaks volumes.

 

[MacNut]

Cute picture from a typical hater.

You know the tuck rule was a legal rule, right? And it was called properly.

Anyone who brings that up just shows their bias.


None of you guys have even attempted to refute the science that exonerates the Patriots. That speaks volumes.

The Tuck (Brady) rule, should have never been allowed.

 

[bigjnyc]

Cute picture from a typical hater.

You know the tuck rule was a legal rule, right? And it was called properly.

Anyone who brings that up just shows their bias.


None of you guys have even attempted to refute the science that exonerates the Patriots. That speaks volumes.

Lol oh man it's so entertaining to see how worked up you get over this stuff it really does go beyond fandom, if I didn't know any better I would think Kraft had you on the payroll.

At the end of the day it's just a game, Kraft is still a billionaire, Brady is a multi millionaire married to a model, and goodell makes more a year than any player. So they are all fine and relaxed... You should try to relax a bit too.

 

[Moyank24]

Cute picture from a typical hater.

You know the tuck rule was a legal rule, right? And it was called properly.

Anyone who brings that up just shows their bias.


None of you guys have even attempted to refute the science that exonerates the Patriots. That speaks volumes.

Honestly, I think this whole thing is ridiculous. Let's see what happens in court. This seems like a whole lot of he said/she said. If there is truly no evidence, it should be wrapped up quickly, and Goodell should be fired for letting it get this far with no good reason. I do wonder, though, knowing it was going to end up in court, would he have gone this far if they didn't have anything? This is a billion dollar corporation - I assume they have to have some level of legal advisement on their chances if it got to court.

Also, as a Jets fan, I'd like to beat them on the field, and not because of stupid suspensions (especially if it turns out to be undeserved), so it's certainly unfair to paint us all as "haters". I certainly don't like Tom Brady, just like I don't like any of the rest of them (all New England teams), but that has nothing to do with this. That's just being a good fan.

 

[zioxide]

The Tuck (Brady) rule, should have never been allowed.

I'm sure you were all for it when it was called in favor of the Jets against the Patriots in the Mo Lewis game in 2001.

Honestly, I think this whole thing is ridiculous. Let's see what happens in court. This seems like a whole lot of he said/she said. If there is truly no evidence, it should be wrapped up quickly, and Goodell should be fired for letting it get this far with no good reason. I do wonder, though, knowing it was going to end up in court, would he have gone this far if they didn't have anything? This is a billion dollar corporation - I assume they have to have some level of legal advisement on their chances if it got to court.

Has Goodell ever in his career as commissioner admitted he did anything wrong? He can't, it's not in his nature. He'd rather go down with the ship than admit he was wrong when this started. Bob Kraft even gave him the out and the way to save face by accepting the fine and draft pick penalty in exchange for exonerating Brady but Goodell decided to double-down on completely ignoring science.

Also, as a Jets fan, I'd like to beat them on the field, and not because of stupid suspensions (especially if it turns out to be undeserved), so it's certainly unfair to paint us all as "haters". I certainly don't like Tom Brady, just like I don't like any of the rest of them (all New England teams), but that has nothing to do with this. That's just being a good fan.

This should worry any fan of the sport that the commissioner is willing to railroad one of the league's greatest players against all scientific evidence. If it can happen to the Patriots, it can happen to any team. Other fans should think about how they would feel if their team was being penalized for something that science proves they didn't do.

 

[pivo6]

The idea that Brady was suspended because of jealousy, or that Goodell wants to help the Jets because of some earlier job, is so laughable that I wonder if some of you people read what you have written. The only thing that Goodell has shown us in the last few years is his utter incompetence as commissioner. In my opinion, he's trying to look "tough" for the other owners and can't go back on his original decision. It also helps that Brady destroys evidence, giving Goodell a reason to uphold his own decision.

 

[Mousse]

Cute picture from a typical hater.

You know the tuck rule was a legal rule, right? And it was called properly.

I gotta disagree. It was a bad call. Watch the NFL video. Brady has both hands on the ball (although very briefly best seen at the 14-18 second portion) before Woodson hits him.

None of you guys have even attempted to refute the science that exonerates the Patriots. That speaks volumes.

I agree that deflategate is a non-issue. Pats ran up the score AFTER with properly inflated balls. From the evidence, the Pats bent over backwards in cooperation. But when has proof mattered in a witch hunt?

 

[63dot]

Goodell's ego is so big it actually makes Donald Trump look tame, and that's saying a lot.

How long is Goodell going to keep up this fake witch hunt? He couldn't get it with science so now he's trying the cellphone routine (as clearly outlined by zioxide). Best quarterback or not, nicest off field demeanor or not, it doesn't matter as long as it's played fairly and with all that's been dissected, Brady didn't cheat. As there is nothing on him, there's nothing much to see and let's move on, hopefully see Goodell leave, and have the Jets full team face the Patriots full team (all warmed up with kinks out and using Brady) and play football in what should be an interesting AFC East. While I don't like the Jets or Patriots, I do show interest when they play each other because unlike a lot of teams (mine included), they play like it's the last game of the season when it's those two.

 

[Moyank24]

I'm sure you were all for it when it was called in favor of the Jets against the Patriots in the Mo Lewis game in 2001.

He's a Giants fan.

Has Goodell ever in his career as commissioner admitted he did anything wrong? He can't, it's not in his nature. He'd rather go down with the ship than admit he was wrong when this started. Bob Kraft even gave him the out and the way to save face by accepting the fine and draft pick penalty in exchange for exonerating Brady but Goodell decided to double-down on completely ignoring science.

Probably not. Unless you count increasing Ray Rice's suspension after all of the hoopla. But that's pretty typical for any head of a billion dollar corporation. There's always a lesser paid, lesser known fall guy if something goes wrong. You don't get that far by not trouncing on the little people.

This should worry any fan of the sport that the commissioner is willing to railroad one of the league's greatest players against all scientific evidence. If it can happen to the Patriots, it can happen to any team. Other fans should think about how they would feel if their team was being penalized for something that science proves they didn't do.

I agree, and if the courts prove him wrong, I can't imagine Goodell will have his job for much longer.

That said, I'm a Jets fan. They don't need any help from the league screwing things up. They do a fine job on their own.

 

[Moyank24]

Goodell's ego is so big it actually makes Donald Trump look tame, and that's saying a lot.

How long is Goodell going to keep up this fake witch hunt? He couldn't get it with science so now he's trying the cellphone routine (as clearly outlined by zioxide). Best quarterback or not, nicest off field demeanor or not, it doesn't matter as long as it's played fairly and with all that's been dissected, Brady didn't cheat. As there is nothing on him, there's nothing much to see and let's move on, hopefully see Goodell leave, and have the Jets full team face the Patriots full team and play football in what should be an interesting AFC East. While I don't like the Jets or Patriots, I do show interest when they play each other because unlike a lot of teams (mine included), they play like it's the last game of the season when it's those two.

The Jets full team WILL face the Pats full team (barring injuries) this season, as they have every year. Even beat them in the playoffs.... This season, as I pointed out earlier, they are playing each other Week 7 and Week 16. Brady will be back.
Stop with this nonsense that the suspension has anything to do with the Jets. it's ridiculous. Our best player is also suspended for the first 4 games. Unfortunate, our secret buddy Goodell couldn't help with that. If he can railroad the league's most popular player, no doubt he can make drug test disappear.