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The Jets full team WILL face the Pats full team (barring injuries) this season, as they have every year. Even beat them in the playoffs.... This season, as I pointed out earlier, they are playing each other Week 7 and Week 16. Brady will be back.
Stop with this nonsense that the suspension has anything to do with the Jets. it's ridiculous. Our best player is also suspended for the first 4 games. Unfortunate, our secret buddy Goodell couldn't help with that. If he can railroad the league's most popular player, no doubt he can make drug test disappear. ;)


I still don't want to see them meet you if they start the season 0-4 and Brady starts (probably rusty) in a game 5. This suspension could kill the Pats season, even if they do well against you in week 7 and week 16. I think the Pats will be in a hole they can't get out of and it will taint the whole AFC East. Throughout most of his career, Brady just got by and other than a couple of amazing seasons, the Pats didn't dominate. How can you do well without Brady in a competitive AFC East?

I didn't know you had a suspended player. Who and why?
 
I still don't want to see them meet you if they start the season 0-4 and Brady starts (probably rusty) in a game 5. This suspension could kill the Pats season, even if they do well against you in week 7 and week 16. I think the Pats will be in a hole they can't get out of and it will taint the whole AFC East. Throughout most of his career, Brady just got by and other than a couple of amazing seasons, the Pats didn't dominate. How can you do well without Brady in a competitive AFC East?

I didn't know you had a suspended player. Who and why?

It will help the Bills most of all, because they are the only AFCE team that are scheduled to face them in the first 4 games. In all of the other division games, Brady will be there, and at the end of the day, the division games are the most important. The Steelers, Jaguars, and Cowboys are the other 3 teams they'll be facing in the first 4 weeks.

Sheldon Richardson is suspended 4 games because of the marijuana.
 
It will help the Bills most of all, because they are the only AFCE team that are scheduled to face them in the first 4 games. In all of the other division games, Brady will be there, and at the end of the day, the division games are the most important. The Steelers, Jaguars, and Cowboys are the other 3 teams they'll be facing in the first 4 weeks.

Sheldon Richardson is suspended 4 games because of the marijuana.

Marijuana? Oh like that really improves a player's performance! Don't get me started.

I loved it when Dodgers fans were complaining about SF Giants Tim Lincecum in his prime and blamed the superhuman pitching on his marijuana habit. Oh, marijuana is so bad, look how it makes Tim Lincecum beat us. Dodgers fans were unable to admit that this man child could pitch his butt off. :)
 
The idea that Brady was suspended because of jealousy, or that Goodell wants to help the Jets because of some earlier job, is so laughable that I wonder if some of you people read what you have written. The only thing that Goodell has shown us in the last few years is his utter incompetence as commissioner. In my opinion, he's trying to look "tough" for the other owners and can't go back on his original decision. It also helps that Brady destroys evidence, giving Goodell a reason to uphold his own decision.

It has nothing to do with the Jets now nor was it done to "help the Jets". All I said was it was cooked up by Mike Kensil, who's a former Jets executive who has a vendetta against Belichick and the Patriots going back to when Belichick left the Jets 1 day after accepting the head coach job to become the coach of the Patriots.

Unfortunate, our secret buddy Goodell couldn't help with that. If he can railroad the league's most popular player, no doubt he can make drug test disappear. ;)

He helped Richard Sherman pull that off. Maybe Richardson should give him a call.
 
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As for Brady's innocence, if he wasn't guilty, why the hell would the NFL go after one of their biggest stars and draws?

The minute someone went to Bob Kravitz with the story, Goodell had to not only act, but over-react. It's all about PR and image with that clown. Think about the perceptions of Goodell the day before the AFCCG. 1) He was regarded as incompetent and self-serving due to the way he handled the Rice case and due to the utterly laughable Mueller report (in which, I might add, league executives were NOT required to divulge information from their personal phones - scroll down to item 4). 2) He was regarded as being way too cozy with Bob Kraft, and there was certainly the perception that the Patriots got preferential treatment from him because of it.

While I'm sure he would have preferred the whole story had stayed private, once it was public, he couldn't appear to go light on the Patriots, no matter what the infraction was. Despite a clear history of not really caring about ball psi or ball tampering prior to the AFCCG, Goodell decided to go full-on PR mode. He shot an arrow and paid Ted Wells 5 million dollars to draw a bullseye around it. The relative importance of ball tampering became irrelevant. The fact that two teams openly tampering with balls during a game received only a warning, the fact that a Jets ballboy was suspended for improperly preparing a kicking ball with no ensuing investigation into the kicker became irrelevant. If Goodell wanted to get some positive PR, he had to come down hard on both Brady and the team. So, the league went into full-on spin mode. Each leak from the league was clearly designed to make Brady look as guilty as possible. Wells hired a firm known to say exactly what they are paid to say. He also ignored an answer given by Walt Anderson and inserted his own answer, one which better fit the narrative. Everything was calculated to make the punishment handed down look as warranted as possible.

Of course, in the court of public opinion, he almost needn't have bothered. Once the patently false Mort Anderson leak went out, that was it. No other information would ever change the perception that those rotten Patriots had cheated again. The multiple missteps by the league in this farce of an investigation go completely ignored by many, because they only care about seeing the Patriots punished.

Do I think Brady was aware of ball tampering? Sure. Maybe not in the AFCCG, since the science just doesn't support it, but in other games, especially after the game against the Jets where the refs pumped them up to 16 psi (also illegal, but add that to the list of things few people care about). Do I think the punishment handed down was reasonable? Not even remotely. First of all, the Wells Report cleared both Belichick and the team of any knowledge or culpability, but that didn't stop Troy Vincent err, Goodell from giving them a massive fine and taking away two draft picks. Secondly, prior instances of both ball tampering and non-cooperation received much lighter punishments (and as an aside, it's horrifying to me how few people seem to care that Goodell openly said he thinks ball tampering is far worse than sexual harassment). The contrived outrage that this tempest in a teapot has created is beyond absurd. The league allows teams a ridiculous amount of access to the balls - but then it's this big moral crisis when teams take liberties with the balls? Really? Had the punishment fit the crime, then it's more than likely that this wouldn't have gotten so out of hand (and yes, I agree that had Brady not given McNally and Jastremski orders, direct or indirect, to tamper with the balls after the ref inspection, we also wouldn't be here). But of course the people who still don't understand Spygate and were still bringing it up eight years later to explain away every moment of New England's success would have howled and said it just confirms everything they thought true in the wake of the Rice case and Mueller report.

Shield protected.

EDIT: It's nice to see that Sally Jenkins continues to get it.
 
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I'm sure you were all for it when it was called in favor of the Jets against the Patriots in the Mo Lewis game in 2001.

It's kind of hilarious how many people still believe that rule was somehow magically conjured up on the spot to help New England. Right up there with the whole "The Patriots taped the Rams' walkthrough" nonsense that so many accept as fact.
 
Sure I do, a stall tactic to get Brady on the field opening day.

The NFLPA suit is contesting the way the investigation into deflategate was run and the punishment handed down. The intent is not to exonerate Brady, but to show that Goodell acted improperly before, during and after the investigation, and that both the punishment handed down and the process of the ensuing appeal were improper. If the NFLPA wins and the suspension is reduced or entirely overturned, it is not a direct referendum on Brady's innocence or guilt with regard to ball tampering. The reason I brought the matter up was your reference to Goodell having "solid evidence" (which is debatable...he has good circumstantial evidence, little to no direct evidence) of Brady being involved in ball tampering. The case won't be about whether or not ball tampering occurred, whether or not Brady knew about it, or whether or not he ordered it to happen. That has been settled. Roger Goodell ruled that Troy Vincent I mean, Roger Goodell showed that Brady was more probably than not generally aware of ball tampering. So you should be glad. Affix asterisks to your heart's content.
 
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The NFLPA suit is contesting the way the investigation into deflategate was run and the punishment handed down. The intent is not to exonerate Brady, but to show that Goodell acted improperly before, during and after the investigation, and that both the punishment handed down and the process of the ensuing appeal were improper. If the NFLPA wins and the suspension is reduced or entirely overturned, it is not a direct referendum on Brady's innocence or guilt with regard to ball tampering. The reason I brought the matter up was your reference to Goodell having "solid evidence" (which is debatable...he has good circumstantial evidence, little to no direct evidence) of Brady being involved in ball tampering. The case won't be about whether or not ball tampering occurred, whether or not Brady knew about it, or whether or not he ordered it to happen. That has been settled. Roger Goodell ruled that Troy Vincent I mean, Roger Goodell showed that Brady was more probably than not generally aware of ball tampering. So you should be glad. Affix asterisks to your heart's content.
Do you really want this thing going to court and all of the dirty laundry getting out. Lets subpoena Kraft and Bellicheck and open the curtain on how the Patriots operate.
 
Do you really want this thing going to court and all of the dirty laundry getting out. Lets subpoena Kraft and Bellicheck and open the curtain on how the Patriots operate.

Ok, so you truly don't understand what the case is about, and, it appears, have little interest in figuring it out. Just in case you do, here's some relevant info. The author is a lawyer who writes about the Texans and is very up front about being a Texans fan and not liking the Patriots: http://www.stradleylaw.com/deflategate-legal-questions/
 
Is name calling really necessary in a discussion about spoiled millionaires and billionaires fighting amongst themselves? I mean, it ain't world peace!
I don't think any other fans in sports get as riled up about their team like Patriots fans. It's like you are personally kicking their dog. (Even if their dog just bit you in the leg and you know it has rabies). This is why this whole scandal is so amusing to me. :p
 
I don't think any other fans in sports get as riled up about their team like Patriots fans. It's like you are personally kicking their dog. (Even if their dog just bit you in the leg and you know it has rabies). This is why this whole scandal is so amusing to me. :p
I agree and I can't think of fans as twisted. You can beat them in a game but two weeks later they will deny they ever played you. Bad and highly delusional fans and all, I want to pin something on Brady but evidence is just not there.

That being said, while I don't think he cheated, his legacy is ruined forever and he will be a guy with records who gets tossed by the wayside like baseball's Pete Rose who really didn't do anything warranting that. Now if Brady did something big, or if Pete Rose did something big, then I could understand the detractors but there are so many others who did cheat who get a lighter sentence in the court of public opinion.

On ABC radio, the huge baseball fan/talk show host in the afternoon was mentioning even if Brady did deflate the ball, it's just one guy. In baseball the whole team messes with the physical factors that can affect games. If a team knows a particularly fast team is playing them and that's their strength, they water down the infield. If they can plan it they grow the outfield grass slightly long. The home team trains and is ready for this but it messes with visiting team. And all this while wrong is still considered OK by baseball. This is far more a factor than making a football just a little below game standard.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on...ered-down-infield-to-slow-them-down-in-game-3

Now could you imagine the outrage if a team watered down a field for their advantage in a football game? There would be heads rolling on that one. But baseball used to be worse and old NY Giants baseball coach used to go out and trip opposing team runners at times nobody was watching.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McGraw
 
I don't think any other fans in sports get as riled up about their team like Patriots fans.

If you spent eight years hearing every moment of your team's success explained away by referencing one fairly overblown cheating incident from people who almost never understand the facts, it would get old for you, too.

EDIT: and it also gets tiresome to see the double standard the Patriots are held to by the media. Oh, there's an accusation about ball deflation based on malicious leaks from the league eight years after spygate? Let's have a week of contrived outrage and panels of players who lost to NE in big games giving their hot sports takes. Oh, the Jets cheated twice in two years? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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Russell Wilson and the Seahawks agree to a contract extension.

ESPN.com said:
Quarterback Russell Wilson and the Seattle Seahawks have agreed to a four-year contract extension worth $87.6 million, sources confirmed to ESPN.

The terms were first reported by Sports Illustrated.

The deal puts Wilson on par with Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers, who is the NFL's highest-paid player with a deal worth an average of $22 million annually.

While I like Wilson and think he is a good quarterback, I think the Seahawks overpaid him.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13352599/quarterback-russell-wilson-close-agreement-seahawks
 
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That's huge especially for a guy who threw the worst pass in history. Well this doesn't help Niners and it could be 4 long years.
 
If you spent eight years hearing every moment of your team's success explained away by referencing one fairly overblown cheating incident from people who almost never understand the facts, it would get old for you, too.

EDIT: and it also gets tiresome to see the double standard the Patriots are held to by the media. Oh, there's an accusation about ball deflation based on malicious leaks from the league eight years after spygate? Let's have a week of contrived outrage and panels of players who lost to NE in big games giving their hot sports takes. Oh, the Jets cheated twice in two years? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Eh, I'm a Yankees fan who has heard forever that they have "bought" their championships. That gets old, too (as does the amazing hypocrisy surrounding A-Rod). But, like I said, if you have to stoop to name calling while defending millionaires who don't give a sh** about you, you're probably taking it too seriously.

The difference between the Jets and the Patriots? Winning, of course. If the Jets were a winning team, they would probably be dragged in the mud, more than they have, through the media as well. It's not just the Patriots that are held to this standard. Winning teams get more love and more hate. Because, let's be honest, they get their asses kissed (enough so that watching a game on mute is the way to go) too. It's just the way it is. You may be just a taaaad bit paranoid.
 
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Winning teams get more love and more hate. Because, let's be honest, they get their asses kissed (enough so that watching a game on mute is the way to go) too.

A good way to see this phenomena in action, is to watch any Colts game. Listening to the announcers you would be sure that Andrew Luck has already won 6 Superbowls and walked on water.
 
Eh, I'm a Yankees fan who has heard forever that they have "bought" their championships. That gets old, too (as does the amazing hypocrisy surrounding A-Rod). But, like I said, if you have to stoop to name calling while defending millionaires who don't give a sh** about you, you're probably taking it too seriously.

The difference between the Jets and the Patriots? Winning, of course. If the Jets were a winning team, they would probably be dragged in the mud, more than they have, through the media as well. It's not just the Patriots that are held to this standard. Winning teams get more love and more hate. Because, let's be honest, they get their asses kissed (enough so that watching a game on mute is the way to go) too. It's just the way it is. You may be just a taaaad bit paranoid.

In my adult life I never saw this in NorCal until recently.

It's called jealousy.

I used to hate NYY but it's because I was jealous. Nothing creates jealously more than seeing a team be in the press year after year hoisting trophies. So you guys are way up there pushing nearly 30 rings? That's around a fifth of all years in baseball since 1876, right? But now that the "hate" shoe is on my foot in Northern California, I totally understand.

I agree it's old to hear about having team money or cheaters and having had the A's be the only other local team in my life go through the a quick fire 5 year dynasty (going amazing 3 in a row), I didn't see the hate and accusations here until 3 for 5 SF Giants in 2010-2015 era.

Close games we win now on the baseball field was because of bad ump call or doped up stars. Now that we have great Reds pitcher in our clubhouse all the LA fans will say we bought our NL West lead if we do in fact finally win division.

But it's not us doping or buying others when LA Dodgers are a far, far better team man for man than us.

Even local papers will run story about SF Giants cheating or buying championships and bring up Barry Bonds who actually had nothing to do with 2010-2014 success.

You just can't argue against all the NYY haters over in your town (going 4 for 5 in amazing Jeter era dynasty making the Yankees a yearly thing in sports papers) no more than Boston could argue against all those who hated the perennial Boston Celtics dynasty in the Bill Russell years, and what we (Giants) are currently facing. But the Jeter's (and NYY core) 4 rings in just 5 years and the amazing yearly Bill Russell run are far more to be jealous of than what the Giants did so far. We have a long way to go to be compared to Jeter and company so the hate that is coming our way is probably low key compared to what you faced in 1996-2000 period.

I think NYY pointed most to Jeter as the "face" then but our dynasty was Lincecum and Renteria in 2010, Zito and Sandoval in 2012, and all Bumgarner in 2014. We simply don't have a "face" or franchise player the way you guys did. I suppose fighting the hate you had to endure especially in 1996-2000, there were detractors who went after just Jeter.
 
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Eh, I'm a Yankees fan who has heard forever that they have "bought" their championships. That gets old, too (as does the amazing hypocrisy surrounding A-Rod). But, like I said, if you have to stoop to name calling while defending millionaires who don't give a sh** about you, you're probably taking it too seriously.

The difference between the Jets and the Patriots? Winning, of course. If the Jets were a winning team, they would probably be dragged in the mud, more than they have, through the media as well. It's not just the Patriots that are held to this standard. Winning teams get more love and more hate. Because, let's be honest, they get their asses kissed (enough so that watching a game on mute is the way to go) too. It's just the way it is. You may be just a taaaad bit paranoid.
I think a lot of it is the culture, Bellichick is a lightening rod for controversy. He was caught up in cheating scandals, never says a damn thing at press conferences. The whole team is so cryptic it adds to the conspiracy. Face it, this team is not open about anything. The Giants and Cowboys and niners have won their share of Superbowls but nobody goes after them the way the Patriots get it. The fact that their fans feed into it so easily ads to the train wreck reporting. I think ESPN thrives on the bitching from Patriots fans.
 
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