2015 Formula 1 Thread

[Bug-Creator]

Ecclestone is seriously losing it. What an utterly useless, rude man.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mo...s-Nico-Rosberg-in-excruciating-interview.html

Well he has a point....

... and than fails get to the core of it

F1 has become so boring that the only intersting bits are major crashes (getting rare) and funny f###up like with Hamilton.
The english like boring stuff like nobody else so the rates are still o.k. while germans are so used to another german winning that they just can't be bothered.


O.k. seriously, it took only 2 (maybe just 1) races of this season to find out that one of the Mercedes drivers would win the championship, and before that it wasn't much different with Red Bull.

Thats the 1st thing that needs to be changed

Allmost every race track is nowadays the Monaco-Grandprix as overtaking just won't happen.

No 2

The teams and drivers are just part of the PR department of some big megacorps and are acting like that (booooring)

Up to 3


How to fix it ? Somehow get big money out of F1 while still keepimg the teams likeable brands. Not gonna happen until we ge a biological solution !

 

[pachyderm]

i enjoyed it.

i had to laugh at mercedes for their gaff.

the verstappen ride along was fantastic! glad he is ok. i literally, LITERALLY, jumped out of my seat when he hit grosjean! that is how engrossed i was in the ride along, i felt like i was in the wreck too! also, why don't they abbreviate his name "VER" ? they "VES".

the indy 500 was fantastic.

the coca cola 600 was pretty good too!

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Mercedes must have left Monaco very red faced I think lol. Poor Hamilton the undisputed driver of the weekend and walking to an easy victory and then they go and do that to him! Oops, have they hired McLaren's strategy department? I feel a little sorry for Nico because in any other circumstance he would have been applauded for being in the right place at the right time but it was such a cock up it rather overshadowed his win. He joins an exclusive club of drivers winning 3 on the trot but I think Lewis can draw positives for next year. He had finally mastered the street circuit despite his win in 2008 and should leave knowing he did all he could.

Verstappen impressed me again until his accident but Grosjean most definitely brake tested him before the braking zone. The stewards were once again appalling this weekend, returning to the old days of inconsistency to embarrassing levels. Alonso gets a penalty for causing a collision when on the inside protecting his line and Ricciardo escapes for an identical move. Daniel was probably right that if there had been an accident in his case they would have thrown the book at him. Still a very poor panel of judges. An exciting race at times but not the outcome it deserved.

 

[Melrose]

Verstappen impressed me again until his accident but Grosjean most definitely brake tested him before the braking zone. The stewards were once again appalling this weekend, returning to the old days of inconsistency to embarrassing levels. Alonso gets a penalty for causing a collision when on the inside protecting his line and Ricciardo escapes for an identical move. Daniel was probably right that if there had been an accident in his case they would have thrown the book at him. Still a very poor panel of judges. An exciting race at times but not the outcome it deserved.

One of the Lotuses did the same thing to Button in Bahrain, I think it was. As far as Lewis/Mercedes, it was a combo of stupidity and/or misjudgment on both of the the team and the driver apparently. Unfortunate, I agree.. not a fair fight but that's sports.

The marshals are def biased. Last year Kevin was driving no less aggressively than Alonso and he got called out A LOT while Alonso had a free pass. Fair? Nope.

 

[Don't panic]

i enjoyed it.

i had to laugh at mercedes for their gaff.

the verstappen ride along was fantastic! glad he is ok. i literally, LITERALLY, jumped out of my seat when he hit grosjean! that is how engrossed i was in the ride along, i felt like i was in the wreck too! also, why don't they abbreviate his name "VER" ? they "VES".

the indy 500 was fantastic.

the coca cola 600 was pretty good too!

i think VER was already Vergne?

i liked when Verstappen was "i am going to hide behind the ferrari, and exploit the blue flag situations" and immediately after lotus was "be careful about the sneaky bstrd"
it was a genius strategy.
and the penalty to VES wa unfair, IMO. it think Grosjean was at fault there with the early unnecessary break.
also i think Kimi was right in that ricciardo's move should have warranted a penalty.

 

[tdale]

Really? What an earth were they thinking? Didn't need new tyres. Come on Mercades what were you thinking?
I might be a Lewis fan, but nobody can say that this was the right result. A one two thrown away as well.
Really hope he can bounce back for next time out.

I see it this way. Lewis told them his tyres were bad, and that they will take too long to get heat back in compared to the newer tyres Vettel had, so that sparked the idea. They had time to cover that stop, just. Where they messed up was the change to the safety car, where the other drivers can max speed in the pit straight, unlike the virtual where they are all locked into sector times, hence keeping the gap there. Merc failed to react or notice that. Some one should have been watching the timing screens while others were deciding what to do IMO

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i think VER was already Vergne?

i liked when Verstappen was "i am going to hide behind the ferrari, and exploit the blue flag situations" and immediately after lotus was "be careful about the sneaky bstrd"
it was a genius strategy.
and the penalty to VES wa unfair, IMO. it think Grosjean was at fault there with the early unnecessary break.
also i think Kimi was right in that ricciardo's move should have warranted a penalty.

VES caused a collision and an accident, whereas Ricci's didn't perhaps that was the reason. A 5 second time penalty might have been more appropriate , that way a penalty but not a large penalty.

 

[Don't panic]

VES caused a collision and an accident, whereas Ricci's didn't perhaps that was the reason. A 5 second time penalty might have been more appropriate , that way a penalty but not a large penalty.

well, that was their decision, but from watching the race and the replays several times, it seems to me that grosjean was at least co-responsible for the collison , as he used the breaks completely out of position. hard not to think it was intentional.

as fare as Ricciardo, he did cause a collision, and gained a position from it. kimi just managed to stay in.
by not penalizing Ricciardo, you pass the idea that it is legit to 'check' other cars out of the way, nascar-style.
it is dangerous and should not be allowed. or if it is to be allowed, it should be allowed to everyone.

 

[tdale]

well, that was their decision, but from watching the race and the replays several times, it seems to me that grosjean was at least co-responsible for the collison , as he used the breaks completely out of position. hard not to think it was intentional.

as fare as Ricciardo, he did cause a collision, and gained a position from it. kimi just managed to stay in.
by not penalizing Ricciardo, you pass the idea that it is legit to 'check' other cars out of the way, nascar-style.
it is dangerous and should not be allowed. or if it is to be allowed, it should be allowed to everyone.

Contact happens, do you want a penalty for all contact? There are a number of instances in any race, particularly where wing ends get touched, bent, come off.

They touched wheels, but if thats a collision then every collision, i.e contact needs a penalty?

 

[Don't panic]

Contact happens, do you want a penalty for all contact? There are a number of instances in any race, particularly where wing ends get touched, bent, come off.

They touched wheels, but if thats a collision then every collision, i.e contact needs a penalty?

no i don't.
but it seems to me that rules were applied very inconsistently

and it wasn't a simple contact, ricciardo seemingly pushed raikkonen out of the way

 

[tdale]

no i don't.
but it seems to me that rules were applied very inconsistently

I see one as a pass that caused damage, and one that was wheel to wheel racing that didn't. If Ricci had broken Kimi's wing, that would deserve penalty. BTCC has a lot of banging, Nascar not so much, F1 less so as they are more exposed. Id say they put it down to damage.

 

[pachyderm]

i think VER was already Vergne?

i liked when Verstappen was "i am going to hide behind the ferrari, and exploit the blue flag situations" and immediately after lotus was "be careful about the sneaky bstrd"
it was a genius strategy.
and the penalty to VES wa unfair, IMO. it think Grosjean was at fault there with the early unnecessary break.
also i think Kimi was right in that ricciardo's move should have warranted a penalty.

vergne is still in f1!?!?

 

[Melrose]

vergne is still in f1!?!?

Vergne is in the E Series now.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

well, that was their decision, but from watching the race and the replays several times, it seems to me that grosjean was at least co-responsible for the collison , as he used the breaks completely out of position. hard not to think it was intentional.



as fare as Ricciardo, he did cause a collision, and gained a position from it. kimi just managed to stay in.

by not penalizing Ricciardo, you pass the idea that it is legit to 'check' other cars out of the way, nascar-style.

it is dangerous and should not be allowed. or if it is to be allowed, it should be allowed to everyone.

Romain had severely worn tyres and Max had brand new super softs on. He had to brake earlier to make turn one and I think Max misjudged it. I like both drivers equally, just my take on it from reading extra info since the race.

 

[Don't panic]

Romain had severely worn tyres and Max had brand new super softs on. He had to brake earlier to make turn one and I think Max misjudged it. I like both drivers equally, just my take on it from reading extra info since the race.

that makes sense.
i suppose i will re-evaluate my position on grosjean then , although i still think the penalty on VES was excessive.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

that makes sense.

i suppose i will re-evaluate my position on grosjean then , although i still think the penalty on VES was excessive.

I claimed at the time that Grosjean had brake tested him but changed my view after the race. It was definitely a race incident though and Max came off worse with the impact so I felt the penalty was harsh too.

It might calm the young lad down though which might be a good thing even if he is intensely exciting to watch! Mark Webber always said a driver is super fast and takes silly risks until they have the 'Big One', and Max is yet to have that. He reminds me of Hamilton in GP2 and when he first hit the scene. His crash at the Nurburgring calmed him down I remember but the racing didn't suffer. I think Max is a definite star of the future.

 

[CWallace]

Ecclestone is seriously losing it. What an utterly useless, rude man.

Well he has a point....

... and than fails get to the core of it

Not sure he has even a point.

"Germany is a terrible market for Formula One. On the contrary Lewis is a hero in the UK. The British love Formula One."

Monaco viewing figures:

Sky Germany up 16% from 2014
Sky Britain down 30% from 2014

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

The British passion for F1 has taken a serious hit since Sky bought the rights. It's been disastrous for the sports popularity here. I have the Sky feed too and there is no way it's worth the money for the channel alone. The same can be said across Europe. Bernie sold out and fails to admit it.

 

[Apple fanboy]

I think Max is a definite star of the future.

Respectfully I have to disagree. Max is a star of the present.

A future world champ for sure as long as he can get the right car.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Respectfully I have to disagree. Max is a star of the present.



A future world champ for sure as long as he can get the right car.

I suppose we can declare him a star for entertaining us and getting into F1 at such a young age. He hasn't won his first GP yet nor fought for a world championship and this is where we see drivers mental strength tested. I think we will see this in the coming years so IMHO he is a star of the future and at present a thoroughly entertaining and exciting prospect.

 

[JGRE]

Used to watch every grand prix in the past......(big fan)
But since they:
1. narrowed the cars to 1.80m max,
2. reduced engine size mid class sedan size,
3. allowed for 'yellows' reducing the race back to zero
4. allowed refueling
5. made cars that save that even I could drive a grand prix
6. races have become a parade from start to end without any place changes
7. M.Schumacher was even allowed to win a race via the pit lane avoiding his stop and go penalty.
8. Protected the interest of Ferrari in may Schumi incidents to a reduces level.

It became a strategy game which was won and lost in the pit lane and via strategy instead of on the track.
I don't care for f1 anymore, the glory days of heros like Mansel, Senna and other are just over. They killed F1!

 

[Melrose]

Respectfully I have to disagree. Max is a star of the present.

A future world champ for sure as long as he can get the right car.

A future star so long as he doesn't turn into Crashtor and wipe out every other race.

This past weekend was an accident as the result of inexperience and misjudgment. Time will tell if he can get away from that. As exciting as that crash was, and my own thoughts about the idiocy of Grosjean braking too early aside, this is what makes the sport dangerous... and I agree with Massa on this one. Versatppen's stunt was a thrill while it was also reckless.

 

[AustinIllini]

Not sure he has even a point.

"Germany is a terrible market for Formula One. On the contrary Lewis is a hero in the UK. The British love Formula One."

Monaco viewing figures:

Sky Germany up 16% from 2014
Sky Britain down 30% from 2014

What are the actual viewing numbers, though? That's really all that matters.

And if Britain loves Formula One, they probably hate Monaco because it's bad racing.

 

[Apple fanboy]

What are the actual viewing numbers, though? That's really all that matters.

And if Britain loves Formula One, they probably hate Monaco because it's bad racing.

We don't hate Monaco. Yes it's not the most exciting race for overtaking, but its exciting because of the danger of racing inches away from the barriers.
A lot of the modern tracks have such big (Tarmac) run off areas, there's a lot less skill involved. If a driver overdoes it at the bend, he'll be fine to carry on. Not so when you have concrete walls inches from your tyres.

 

[MOFS]

Used to watch every grand prix in the past......(big fan)
But since they:
1. narrowed the cars to 1.80m max,
2. reduced engine size mid class sedan size,
3. allowed for 'yellows' reducing the race back to zero
4. allowed refueling
5. made cars that save that even I could drive a grand prix
6. races have become a parade from start to end without any place changes
7. M.Schumacher was even allowed to win a race via the pit lane avoiding his stop and go penalty.
8. Protected the interest of Ferrari in may Schumi incidents to a reduces level.

It became a strategy game which was won and lost in the pit lane and via strategy instead of on the track.
I don't care for f1 anymore, the glory days of heros like Mansel, Senna and other are just over. They killed F1!

I actually think it's the increased data accumulation (and strategy associated with it) that is causing problems with F1. The tyres from Pirelli are designed to deteriorate to allow overtaking, but the drivers are being told to drive within the limits of the car to prevent degradation. The fuel limit is something the teams are struggling with, however this was agreed with the engine manufacturers and should improve as the engines become more efficient. As others have noted, moving F1 to behind a paywall has reduced my love - the season before Sky got the rights I have watched 17 of the races live. This year I've seen 1.

 

[Apple fanboy]

Anybody see the Canadian Qualifying? Interesting grid. With Vettel at the back, hopefully we will see plenty of overtaking! Button's bad luck continues.
And Hamilton was on top of his game all day. After Monaco he really deserves the win. I would love to see Kimi (third) mixing it up with the Mercs but can't see it really.