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2015 MLB Season Thread
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KC can get hot late in the game and tonight was a good time to do what they do best.
One more but it won't be easy, especially facing Mets at home. I call tomorrow as a Mets win bringing it back to KC on Tuesday with a 3-2 contest. This will go at least 6 but hopefully to 7.
Mets have a huge job ahead and only 4 teams have come back from something like a 3-1 deficit and only twice in baseball history has someone come back on the road which the Mets will have to do. If the Mets pull this off winning this all on the road, it will basically be a once in a 40 year phenomenon on average.
One more but it won't be easy, especially facing Mets at home. I call tomorrow as a Mets win bringing it back to KC on Tuesday with a 3-2 contest. This will go at least 6 but hopefully to 7.
Mets have a huge job ahead and only 4 teams have come back from something like a 3-1 deficit and only twice in baseball history has someone come back on the road which the Mets will have to do. If the Mets pull this off winning this all on the road, it will basically be a once in a 40 year phenomenon on average.
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It's just karma from the last Mets world series win. The Red Sox had it won till Bill Buckner's error.
Go Kansas City
.It's just karma from the last Mets world series win. The Red Sox had it won till Bill Buckner's error.
Go Kansas City
that doesnt count as karma. its counts as karma if we were playing the red sox again. Nice try but no cigar.
He should have stopped. This was to be his last bit of playing for this series so I understand he wanted to continue if he felt good enough.
Extra innings so it's like 0-0 with two tired squads.
If NYM pull this off it will be a huge psychological boost and just what they need heading into KC.
I don't want to be in Collins shoes. Harvey wanted the ball, he was pitching lights out. Either way Collins wasn't going to win. There was far more to lose with either choice. KC was playing to well for there to be a good outcome.
Anyone want to check on our resident Mets fan?
Anyone want to check on our resident Mets fan?
i didn't see the game but, must have felt like he wanted him healthy for next year? how much can that repaired arm take?
Last nites game, was pure bad luck. Harvey sacrificed himself and pitched till the 9th inning but that was in vain cause the bats were asleep and didnt get support. Mets played well all season, beat the cubs, beat the dodgers but fell asleep at the world series. We had this game but blew it at the last minute with that stupid error from Duda.
ive always had a feeling that Duda is a lazy player, he should get traded. But besides all the bad stuff. Mets had a great season and did very good and made it to the world series. We will just have to wait till next season, we have alot of young talent. Win, lose or tie, Mets fan till i die...See you all next year and Let's Go Mets!!!
ive always had a feeling that Duda is a lazy player, he should get traded. But besides all the bad stuff. Mets had a great season and did very good and made it to the world series. We will just have to wait till next season, we have alot of young talent. Win, lose or tie, Mets fan till i die...See you all next year and Let's Go Mets!!!
Congrats KC. Perez got a real taste of the other side this time bringing home MVP and a ring after the previous year where he was the last out with the tying run on 3rd base. Perez showed a lot of power in 2014 but had a common ailment of power hitters which can be swinging at bad pitches. While 2015 didn't cure his lack of having a good eye, he brought more patience and that ultimately helped a little but a little was all KC needed to win. They got defeated by the small ball tactics of the SF Giants last year but took that game plan into this series. It paid off for Perez and the Royals. Talk about redemption.
Harvey had a super 8 innings and had all his ducks lined up even after two surgeries and lost opportunities and looked like at the very least he would have a World Series winning game. It would have been a great win turning around MLB's unluckiest pitcher, probably in baseball history. Besides the injuries which left him a different pitcher both times, he stupidly went to college instead of going straight to the majors for the Angels and a million bucks. The Angels wanted what was perhaps the best high school pitcher ever. SF was certainly going to get him with their funds but fellow pitching star of '07 Draft Madison Bumgarner got the spot and eventually three World Series championships. Harvey's arm fell apart in college and then much later as a Met, and at 26 held together by pins and needles, I don't know if he will get another chance. Harvey has unprecedented talent, but an unprecedented lack of judgment which had resulted in missing MLB and backing away from being a millionaire as a teen, throwing arm out at college and not ending up as the Tar Heels best ever pitcher, throwing arm out at the Mets, and now pitching in 9th inning and giving up shutout and likely World Series game win. At this point I would be very happy for him if he was just a reliever on a future WS winning team. This World Series will be remembered as one that was lost due to a manager being bad at managing pitchers.
Harvey had a super 8 innings and had all his ducks lined up even after two surgeries and lost opportunities and looked like at the very least he would have a World Series winning game. It would have been a great win turning around MLB's unluckiest pitcher, probably in baseball history. Besides the injuries which left him a different pitcher both times, he stupidly went to college instead of going straight to the majors for the Angels and a million bucks. The Angels wanted what was perhaps the best high school pitcher ever. SF was certainly going to get him with their funds but fellow pitching star of '07 Draft Madison Bumgarner got the spot and eventually three World Series championships. Harvey's arm fell apart in college and then much later as a Met, and at 26 held together by pins and needles, I don't know if he will get another chance. Harvey has unprecedented talent, but an unprecedented lack of judgment which had resulted in missing MLB and backing away from being a millionaire as a teen, throwing arm out at college and not ending up as the Tar Heels best ever pitcher, throwing arm out at the Mets, and now pitching in 9th inning and giving up shutout and likely World Series game win. At this point I would be very happy for him if he was just a reliever on a future WS winning team. This World Series will be remembered as one that was lost due to a manager being bad at managing pitchers.
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Held together with pins and needles? totally DISAGREE with what u are saying about harvey. u are making him sound like his career is over and making him sound old. who cares if he wasnt a millionare in his teens, he is a millionare now at 26. You do know that he made his MLB debut in 2012 rite? his career is just starting in the big leagues. Think about it, just 2 yrs after his debut, he is already in the world series, thats superb.
He may have some pitching life left but probably not so much.
Once pitchers get arm injuries (especially if they depend on throwing hard), they are usually never the same. Unless they can switch to being a finesse picture, it's all downhill.
One thing I could never understand is fans making excuses for losing a championship game (bad luck, etc.). Just admit that the other team was better this year and hope that your team wins next year.
It sounds like I have been through seeing a young promising starting pitcher peak early, right? Guess what, I am in San Francisco area...let me explain.
I think Harvey reminds me of my favorite hometown player, SF Giant Tim Lincecum.
Yes he was on the 2010 WS roster and did that after 2008 and 2009 Cy Youngs. He was called "the franchise" and we were going to hopefully enjoy a decade of solid play from this young, once in a generation ace. After the heroic two win WS he had a great 2011.
Then came 2012.
Mr. Franchise didn't make it to the WS roster and horror of all horrors, a hated over the hill Barry Zito was now our franchise first pitcher. Lincecum was young, so wtf happened to what was the best pitcher in the majors with a 99 mph fastball?
Like Harvey and a lot of young power pitchers, Tim Lincecum was prone to injury. When Tim was on nobody couldn hit. But the all in fastball pitching that works well for some pitchers in the first half of their 20s, often results in an injured and unreliable pitcher past age 25 and usually results in a used up shell by 30.
2013 was not there for him and again in 2014, the two time Cy Young pitcher was not a WS starter.
There's no denying that as perhaps the greatest Giants pitcher, he is still one who peaked early and then never returned. I see Harvey as the same type which is full on, body be dammed from first pitch until the body cannot possibly replicate that style. Like Lincecum, Harvey had to modify his style two more times to work around injuries.
Pitchers like that have best years from under age 20 until mid-20s and maybe until 26 or 27, tops. You are never the same after being surgically rebuilt.
Matt Harvey is your version of our Tim Lincecum.
We also have another power pitcher who blew himself out in his earlier years, Matt Cain. After the WS in 2010 we were sure the two would be our #1 and #2 starters for years to come. Who thought our pitching hero in 2012 WS going against Justin Verlander would be the modest Barry Zito and our 2014 hero be our former #4 pitcher Madison Bumgarner?
That being said think of all the teams who never get a Harvey or Lincecum for even one year!
Harvey in his peak, which I think ended after the 8th inning last night is not unlike our Tim Lincecum who also pitched a great WS Game 5 also but never showed up like that again.
We aren't talking about robots and these are human beings who can only go full steam for only a few years. It's not unheard of for a fast pitcher in his late 20s not to be the same as he was in early 20s. Yes you have the occasional pitcher who doesn't reach their potential until they are 28, but Harvey isn't him anymore than Lincecum wasn't him.
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I so wish this wasn't true but all I have to say in SF is Lincecum and Cain.
Very, very few pitchers can rely on a pitching arsenal built off of something other than a fastball. When I think of a prime time starter who can do it without the fastball, the only name that comes to mind recently is the Mets R.A. Dickey in 2012 but he is the exception.
definitely should have been yanked, and yes, that is very easy for me to say in hindsight.
collins blundered by not pulling him, the exact opposite of the blunder dusty baker made in '02 by pulling ortiz.
oh well. i don't care for either team and hope they both miss the playoffs next year.
as for harvey, i like the attitude, he wanted to get the job done. i respect that.
collins blundered by not pulling him, the exact opposite of the blunder dusty baker made in '02 by pulling ortiz.
oh well. i don't care for either team and hope they both miss the playoffs next year.
as for harvey, i like the attitude, he wanted to get the job done. i respect that.
Tommy John surgery doesn't always hold. Harvey could pitch another 10 great years. Or require another surgery in a month. His arm is a ticking time bomb. No guarantees.