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2016-2017 NFL Season Thread

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Looks like Mike Ditka is out of ESPN's Sunday NFL countdown.

Link: Pro Football Talk

I have to say, while I really like Iron Mike, clearly his a little too old. I thought the same thing about Lou Holtz when he was on ESPN.
 
Damn. Rams losing on defense. Janoris Jenkins was expected to leave but I did not expect Rodney McLeod to leave for Philadelphia. Eagles have a pretty good backend now with McLeod and Jenkins holding down the safety positions.
 
Chase Daniels to the Eagles, what does that mean for Bradford - will they flip him, i.e., send him to the Browns or the Texans who are in desperate need for a QB?
 
Jets signed Matt Forte. Chris Ivory signed with Jacksonville. I'm god with this.

And it looks like Tannenbaum is creating cap hell for Miami just like he did in New York.
 
maflynn said:
Chase Daniels to the Eagles, what does that mean for Bradford - will they flip him, i.e., send him to the Browns or the Texans who are in desperate need for a QB?
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Unofficially, he's been named the backup to Bradford. There's going to be no dealing/leveraging Bradford. He's going into the season as the starter and Chase Daniels as his backup. Besides, it wouldn't make sense now after signing the contract. I'm sure there are cap consequences and the Eagles would be on the losing end to just trade him.

Looks like the Eagles are doing pretty well in FA. Helpfully this translates to the field and they purge Chip Kelly's mess-up sooner rather than later.
 
Osweiler to the Texans - that officially puts the Broncos in desperation mode.
 
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Osweiler to the Texans - that officially puts the Broncos in desperation mode.
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I don't understand this signing in the slightest bit. You were groomed to eventually take over. Coming off a Super Bowl win and Peyton retiring, it's your team to take over and you just leave? Completely baffled by this. Even if he was hurt from the benching, Osewiler knew this was his team, not sure what more he wanted.
 
I would like to know what sort of money the Texans put up for Osweiler. I am not sure that leaving Denver is necessarily the smartest thing for Osweiler to do where he seemed to have everything set up for him to succeed. The last thing he needs is to go into his first season as a starter is a new system with new personnel, both coaching and player.

And if the Texans did put up big money for him, that is also questionable. They are paying for an up until now, second string QB who admittedly looked decent in his starts in relief of the injured Manning last year, but is not a proven article yet. They better hope they are getting an Aaron Rodgers rather than a Matt Flynn.
 
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Osweiler to the Texans - that officially puts the Broncos in desperation mode.
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4 years, $72 million. THat's crazy.

THey also signed Lamar Miller.

I loves me some day one of NFL free agency. It's not even 4pm ET yet. :D
 
Vogue Harper said:
I would like to know what sort of money the Texans put up for Osweiler. I am not sure that leaving Denver is necessarily the smartest thing for Osweiler to do where he seemed to have everything set up for him to succeed. The last thing he needs is to go into his first season as a starter is a new system with new personnel, both coaching and player.

And if the Texans did put up big money for him, that is also questionable. They are paying for an up until now, second string QB who admittedly looked decent in his starts in relief of the injured Manning last year, but is not a proven article yet. They better hope they are getting an Aaron Rodgers rather than a Matt Flynn.
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The word here (I live in Houston) is that it's ~16 million / year and the Broncos topped out at 13 million / year.
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rdowns said:
4 years, $72 million. THat's crazy.

THey also signed Lamar Miller.

I loves me some day one of NFL free agency. It's not even 4pm ET yet. :D
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WOW.
 
Elway has to be frustrated. This was the plan all along. Sign Peyton to get his 3-4 years and draft a QB in year 1 which they did. Groom him behind Peyton (see: Aaron Rodgers) and when Peyton retires, become the starter. As far as planning goes, this was as perfect as it could be. Who would've thought Osewiler would just leave for more money...
 
iLog.Genius said:
Elway has to be frustrated. This was the plan all along. Sign Peyton to get his 3-4 years and draft a QB in year 1 which they did. Groom him behind Peyton (see: Aaron Rodgers) and when Peyton retires, become the starter. As far as planning goes, this was as perfect as it could be. Who would've thought Osewiler would just leave for more money...
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More so when you consider that their championship winning D is getting eroded with Malik Jackson a Jaguar and Danny Trevathan likely playing somewhere else next year too. They will probably need their offence to step up a bit more consistently than it did last year, which Osweiler was supposed to bring but obviously cannot now that he is a Texan.

Elway is probably on the phone to Manning now... Hey Peyton, about that retirement speech the other day...
 
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rdowns said:
4 years, $72 million. THat's crazy.

THey also signed Lamar Miller.

I loves me some day one of NFL free agency. It's not even 4pm ET yet. :D
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Rick Smith (Houston's GM) needs to go. Paying elite QB money for a guy with only 7 starts to his name.:mad::mad: He ain't a proven product yet. Lots of QB start out fast, but fizzle later on. RGIII, Kaepernik, Vince Young...

We now know the Texans previous coaching staff (headed by Coach Kub and Son of Bum) wasn't the weak link. Hail, they just won the Superbowl with a roster built by a different GM. I hope we didn't over pay for Miller. ie more than $5M a year.
 
Mousse said:
Rick Smith (Houston's GM) needs to go. Paying elite QB money for a guy with only 7 starts to his name.:mad::mad: He ain't a proven product yet. Lots of QB start out fast, but fizzle later on. RGIII, Kaepernik, Vince Young...

We now know the Texans previous coaching staff (headed by Coach Kub and Son of Bum) wasn't the weak link. Hail, they just won the Superbowl with a roster built by a different GM. I hope we didn't over pay for Miller. ie more than $5M a year.
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To be fair the Broncos had a MUCH better team than the Texans ever had. Both coaches inherited a LOT of talent. And in the last few years with the Texans, they were handcuffed with an old Matt Schaub, and a very, very conservative offense. You could watch their games and literally guess what Kubiak was going to call. He had to go. Remember all of those 3rd and 10 draw plays in the red zone? He was awful at the end.

And, in terms of the $$ for Brock, in a QB league teams almost have to take expensive risks like that. If not, you end up watching Hoyer-like guys throw interceptions in the playoffs for years to come. They had plenty of cap room, so this was the year to take a shot. You hope it works out for them. Still better than drafting Hackenburg...

I would say to see how this season works out before calling for Rick Smith's job. Fans here have been asking for his head for years.
 
iLog.Genius said:
Elway has to be frustrated. This was the plan all along. Sign Peyton to get his 3-4 years and draft a QB in year 1 which they did. Groom him behind Peyton (see: Aaron Rodgers) and when Peyton retires, become the starter. As far as planning goes, this was as perfect as it could be. Who would've thought Osewiler would just leave for more money...
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Reports that Osewiler wanted no part of Denver.
 
With Osewiler's deal, it makes Sam Bradford's deal not so bad. So with that, I'm jumping back on the Sam Bradford bandwagon and hope he excels with Doug Pederson. At least with Bradford, you know what you're getting. Sure he's stunk it up for pretty much his entire career but consider all the offensive schemes he had to re-learn (he has not been in a system for more than 2 years) and then playing for the Rams who have been bad and the Eagles which were a complete **** up last year, it's not so bad paying him vs. Osewiler who was productive but didn't light it up when he had Demaryius, Sanders and a competent offensive line playing behind the best defense.
 
Moyank24 said:
To be fair the Broncos had a MUCH better team than the Texans ever had.
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That's because the Broncos has a better GM, who built a better roster. Outside of getting lucky in the first round, our drafting in the past few years stinks. And our free agency signing hasn't been pretty either. The Ahman Green signing ranks among the worst free agency signing of all time. IMO, Rick Smith is the 2nd worst GM in the league. Only the Redskins have a worst GM.
 
Someone ran the numbers already:

Hoyer vs Osweiler - first seven starts in 2015:

Osweiler - 156/251 62.2% 1,821 yards 7.3 yards/att 9 TD 5 INT

Hoyer - 158/262 60.3% 1,847 yards 7.0 yards/att 12 TD 5 INT
 
Vogue Harper said:
Someone ran the numbers already:

Hoyer vs Osweiler - first seven starts in 2015:

Osweiler - 156/251 62.2% 1,821 yards 7.3 yards/att 9 TD 5 INT

Hoyer - 158/262 60.3% 1,847 yards 7.0 yards/att 12 TD 5 INT
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While the numbers are close, Brock's numbers are worse considering he has a far superior offense than the Texans.
 
maflynn said:
Osweiler to the Texans - that officially puts the Broncos in desperation mode.
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This is truly astonishing. Knowing Peyton was going to bail, you let this happen? The only thing I can think of is they know something the rest of us don't.
 
Snoopy4 said:
This is truly astonishing. Knowing Peyton was going to bail, you let this happen? The only thing I can think of is they know something the rest of us don't.
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Reports are that he was salty about being benched which is mind boggling given the situation and outcome we were all expecting.
 
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