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It sucks because I leave for vacation next week and needed this laptop. I might have to get the non TB and cancel my order and then go back and return it when I come home and get the TB

I don't mean to complain but Apple butchered this release so I really have a right to. Like this is ridiculous that 2 weeks after launch there's no in-store displays or stock and no information for us who ordered online.

Anyone remember when Apple keynotes ended with "...and they'll be available.. today."
 
My Pre-Auth fell off a few days ago. I was Pre-Auth'd on 11/04/16, since they didn't "Charge" my card it "Fell Off" my account which is normal. Usually Pre-Auth's can stay on an account for 7-10 days or until a charge "Posts", I think that apple just pre-auth'd cards to make sure the cards are valid and that when they ship out, the charge will post to the account.

I'm hoping we should receive these sometime next week.


I know I'm not the only one it's happened to. I only checked bc someone made a post on Reddit. This doesn't look good
 
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Just placed my order (was waiting on some details from work before ordering).
15" MBP - Space Gray
2.7 GHz
16 GB
1 TB
Radeon Pro 460
Ships: 4-5 weeks
Delivers: Dec 19-23
(Will update spreadsheet)
 
Well my charge only went on in the last 8hrs so I don't think it's about to disappear. Was yours a very early charge? Maybe Apple waited to long to finalize it?

That's my guess but still concerning. It really goes to show Apple is taking their time getting these out. I was (pre)charged on Sunday
 
It sucks because I leave for vacation next week and needed this laptop. I might have to get the non TB and cancel my order and then go back and return it when I come home and get the TB

I don't mean to complain but Apple butchered this release so I really have a right to. Like this is ridiculous that 2 weeks after launch there's no in-store displays or stock and no information for us who ordered online.

Anyone remember when Apple keynotes ended with "...and they'll be available.. today."

How did Apple butcher this release? Not a single person yet has entered their delivery estimate. A couple of people start tomorrow, but i have literally seen 2 people with theirs opening on 11th.

If you reach the end of your delivery estimate, then yes, i would agree that Apple have butchered it, but until then they have done nothing wrong. They have pre-auth'ed our cards and our orders are processing.

I'm one of the first delivery slots of 14th-21st.....but until its the 22nd and i still don't have my MBP then i cant say they have butchered it at all.
 
It sucks because I leave for vacation next week and needed this laptop. I might have to get the non TB and cancel my order and then go back and return it when I come home and get the TB

I don't mean to complain but Apple butchered this release so I really have a right to. Like this is ridiculous that 2 weeks after launch there's no in-store displays or stock and no information for us who ordered online.

Anyone remember when Apple keynotes ended with "...and they'll be available.. today."

You can't be serious. "Butchered the release"? It's still another six days before the 'launch' of this product.

I don't mean to be rude, but I'm struggling to understand this dynamic. The earliest estimates were the 17th-25th (and a small handful who saw as early as the 16th I think). And people are up in arms because they haven't gotten it a week early?

Apple tends to deliver sooner than they claim but not sooner than the 'launch date'. We didn't get a firm 'launch date' this time; but that's not at all unusual for a Mac. And the 13" non-TB model WAS available that day.

If you're in the Nov. 17-25 crowd, and the 26th rolls around, then it's time to complain. But, ordering a product that's estimated delivery is slated to be when you're unavailable... that's not Apple's fault my friend.

By the way, you may be able to talk UPS/FedEX into delivering it to a neighbors house. I've done so with a pre-sign for delivery type form.
 
How did Apple butcher this release? Not a single person yet has entered their delivery estimate. A couple of people start tomorrow, but i have literally seen 2 people with theirs opening on 11th.

If you reach the end of your delivery estimate, then yes, i would agree that Apple have butchered it, but until then they have done nothing wrong. They have pre-auth'ed our cards and our orders are processing.

I'm one of the first delivery slots of 14th-21st.....but until its the 22nd and i still don't have my MBP then i cant say they have butchered it at all.

Except.. again.. there's no models in-store even to see or check out. I guess there's a few out in glass cases in NYC? Cool, so I can't touch the touch bar then? Lol. No reviews because the embargo is still up. No official release date, we have our order delivery estimates but there's no for sure day when they'll actually be in store - the site says November 25th but who knows, the AirPods were "late October", and the iPhone 7+s that also had in-store/shipping dates are still not delivered for some.

On top of that, yes we haven't entered the delivery period but people are getting charged/authorized randomly, most people have been on processing for TWO WEEKS after a product was announced with no update, etc.

It's a pretty bad release. I want mine badly, but they could've done this way way better for a product that was anticipated for 4 years.
 
Except.. again.. there's no models in-store even to see or check out. No reviews because the embargo is still up. No official release date, we have our order delivery estimates but there's no for sure day when they'll actually be in store - the site says November 25th but who knows, the AirPods were "late October", and the iPhone 7+s that also had in-store/shipping dates are still not delivered for some.

On top of that, yes we haven't entered the delivery period but people are getting charged/authorized randomly, most people have been on processing for TWO WEEKS after a product was announced with no update, etc.

It's a pretty bad release. I want mine badly, but they could've done this way way better for a product that was anticipated for 4 years.

The iPhone 7+ Jet Black had poorer than expected yield and higher than expected demand. People still got them on launch day, just not everyone who wanted one.

Those were not in stores until launch day, either. Apple doesn't really have a habit of making products available in store before you can buy them. As for the review embargo? That's standard operating procedure for EVERYONE. Samsung, HP, Apple, Sony, Nintendo, everyone.

Apple said these would launch in "2-3 weeks". When they 'launch' they'll be in stores and on our doorsteps. Sure a firm date would've been nice, but Apple hasn't been dishonest through any of this process. They gave a date range for delivery and a date range for launch; which is when they'll be in stores to be played with.
 
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Except.. again.. there's no models in-store even to see or check out. I guess there's a few out in glass cases in NYC? Cool, so I can't touch the touch bar then? Lol. No reviews because the embargo is still up. No official release date, we have our order delivery estimates but there's no for sure day when they'll actually be in store - the site says November 25th but who knows, the AirPods were "late October", and the iPhone 7+s that also had in-store/shipping dates are still not delivered for some.

On top of that, yes we haven't entered the delivery period but people are getting charged/authorized randomly, most people have been on processing for TWO WEEKS after a product was announced with no update, etc.

It's a pretty bad release. I want mine badly, but they could've done this way way better for a product that was anticipated for 4 years.


Iphones also aren't in store as demos until release day...this is no different, but actually you can get a general feel of it as the Non-touch MBP's are there which is 90% of the product you will receive.

Iphone reviews went out 2 days before the release....again we haven't reached that point yet if release is Mon 14th.

And deliveries sitting at processing until its actually ready to go out is also normal.....i don't understand your points.
 
Except.. again.. there's no models in-store even to see or check out. I guess there's a few out in glass cases in NYC? Cool, so I can't touch the touch bar then? Lol. No reviews because the embargo is still up. No official release date, we have our order delivery estimates but there's no for sure day when they'll actually be in store - the site says November 25th but who knows, the AirPods were "late October", and the iPhone 7+s that also had in-store/shipping dates are still not delivered for some.

On top of that, yes we haven't entered the delivery period but people are getting charged/authorized randomly, most people have been on processing for TWO WEEKS after a product was announced with no update, etc.

It's a pretty bad release. I want mine badly, but they could've done this way way better for a product that was anticipated for 4 years.
I see all of these complaints about an issue that hasn't occurred yet. Wait until your delivery window has passed and then complain. As far as no demo model in store. You can try a demo in the store, just not with the Touch Bar, if that is not enough, then wait and order after the reviews are posted and after the demos are available. If you are going be an early adopter, you are going to be an early adopter.
 
Apple said these would launch in "2-3 weeks". When they 'launch' they'll be in stores and on our doorsteps. Sure a firm date would've been nice, but Apple hasn't been dishonest through any of this process. They gave a date range for delivery and a date range for launch; which is when they'll be in stores to be played with.
In fact, Phil Schiller actually didn't even say they would launch in 2-3 weeks. He said they would begin shipping in 2-3 weeks; so while three weeks would be at the tail end, there's still another week to go until Apple "botched" anything with this launch.
 
Charged this morning, phoned up Apple and they said everything's good and I'll be receiving the computer on time (17th November or a little after).

Details of my laptop in my sig.
 
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How many VMs do you use? I only have use for one running Windows 10, and it looks like an Amazon Workspaces account is 25$ a month for a pretty limited virtualized computer (1 vCPU, 2GB ram, 10GB storage). I'm sure i'm missing something as Amazon usually prices their products / services competitively, can you quickly explain the benefits?

I run a large amount of my companies infrastructure on AWS and Azure, only recently started to checkout their hosted VDI services. As a VDI, it works remarkably well. I run their 2vCPU, 8GB, 100gb storage tier and while it is expensive, it is extremely stable. An always on computer available from pretty much any device, the iPad app is great too. I don't see the price coming down until Microsoft launches a true competitor to it. When it comes to the new Macbook, I see it as an opportunity to have access to a full Windows OS without hogging resources and allowing true continuity regardless of the devices i'm accessing it from. It's definitely not for everyone and is pricey, but it opens a lot of doors.
 
don't know about in the US but the UK have them in stores, at least one store I know of has them on display to play with

Except.. again.. there's no models in-store even to see or check out. I guess there's a few out in glass cases in NYC? Cool, so I can't touch the touch bar then? Lol. No reviews because the embargo is still up. No official release date, we have our order delivery estimates but there's no for sure day when they'll actually be in store - the site says November 25th but who knows, the AirPods were "late October", and the iPhone 7+s that also had in-store/shipping dates are still not delivered for some.

On top of that, yes we haven't entered the delivery period but people are getting charged/authorized randomly, most people have been on processing for TWO WEEKS after a product was announced with no update, etc.

It's a pretty bad release. I want mine badly, but they could've done this way way better for a product that was anticipated for 4 years.
 
don't know about in the US but the UK have them in stores, at least one store I know of has them on display to play with

Do they have the models with the Touch Bar on display though? I think most/all stores have the non-touchbar edition to play with but what the OP means is can we actually touch the Touch Bar lol.
 
Apple didn't necessarily remove anything. Before was a pre-auth. Some banks automatically drop pre-auths off that don't "post". Apple has yet to "post" the charges. It's simply the behavior of the bank. For one, companies can't "remove" a charge anyway. They can refund your money, sure. If you get a refund from Apple, you might be worried. But it was simply a pre-authorization that, for lack of a better term, "timed out". And every bank handles that a little differently. If it hadn't timed out, eventually, when the product ships, the charge would "post". If it fell off, then you'll get a new (but identical) charge later. That one will be a "hard charge" that may show up as a pre-auth or pending charge at first, but will post right away.

My theory about why there's a disparity between those who have and have no been "charged", and those reporting the pre-auth dropping off, is that Apple fired off pre-authorizations to all of the BTO orders. Just to ensure that the money was 'there' before they built the machines. We'll get a posted charge when these actually ship.



Isn't that the truth. My MBP and my homebuilt desktop PC are the same age; and yet the Desktop PC has had Windows re-installed twice. At least we can FINALLY upgrade versions of Windows without too much fuss. That had ALWAYS been something great about Macs, even back in the way old days of OS 8/9. You upgrade to the new OS, and all of your 'stuff' is just there. Upgrade from Windows 98 to Windows XP (same era?), your "stuff" is in a a special folder, nothing looks the same and half of your hardware doesn't work. That's gotten better, but Windows in general still doesn't have great reliability.

I've never had to do anything to my 2012 MBP nor have I ever had any sort of kernel panics or anything like that. It's just worked. And when I did upgrade the SSD from 256GB to a 480GB drive, it was a piece of cake to mirror the drive and then swap. Apple even includes the utilities, no need for complicated third party software.

Amen. Drivers for this, drivers for that. Crap, can't find my original installation CDs. HDMI output or sound mysteriously not working? Oh wait, lets run Windows update repeatedly and restart a hundred times and still get failure on several updates. Pain in the butt. I agree windows has gotten noteably better, but I think macs have come a long way as well in making the switch feasable/easier for me. Software options seem to be quite good for Macs these days. Looking forward to my first Mac, this is going to kick ass!
 
Amen. Drivers for this, drivers for that. Crap, can't find my original installation CDs. HDMI output or sound mysteriously not working? Oh wait, lets run Windows update repeatedly and restart a hundred times and still get failure on several updates. Pain in the butt. I agree windows has gotten noteably better, but I think macs have come a long way as well in making the switch feasable/easier for me. Software options seem to be quite good for Macs these days. Looking forward to my first Mac, this is going to kick ass!

Windows updates and breaks a driver, manufacturer NEVER fixes it. My wife has an HP laptop that's a couple years old, newer in fact than my 2012 MacBook Pro which works just fine. The speakers don't work with Windows 10. And they have yet to release an updated driver. How INSANE is that!?

Restarting on it's own to install updates (except for big massive updates like a whole new OS, restarts for updates in macOS are very rare).

I didn't realize this is your first Mac; but yes, you're really going to appreciate how it "just works". Everything is where you expect it to be, it works as you'd expect it to work, and it doesn't surprise you. It's also not one giant billboard ad like Windows 10 is. Windows 10 to me feels like those crappy free-to-play iOS games with tons of ads. macOS still feels like a real operating system that I can actually get some work done on.
 
I don't mean to complain but Apple butchered this release so I really have a right to. Like this is ridiculous that 2 weeks after launch there's no in-store displays or stock and no information for us who ordered online.

I don't really get what you're saying here. They said when they launched it would be two to three weeks before they are available, with pre-orders immediately. The information they gave you as some who placed an online pre-order was that it would be delivered between the 17th thru the 25th (or whatever dates you got). If they had missed those dates then I'd absolutely agree that this release was butchered, but it's still a week away.

I kinda agree with you about not having in store models to try out, but I get that they don't want walk in customers trying something then finding out they can't buy them yet.
 
I run a large amount of my companies infrastructure on AWS and Azure, only recently started to checkout their hosted VDI services. As a VDI, it works remarkably well. I run their 2vCPU, 8GB, 100gb storage tier and while it is expensive, it is extremely stable. An always on computer available from pretty much any device, the iPad app is great too. I don't see the price coming down until Microsoft launches a true competitor to it. When it comes to the new Macbook, I see it as an opportunity to have access to a full Windows OS without hogging resources and allowing true continuity regardless of the devices i'm accessing it from. It's definitely not for everyone and is pricey, but it opens a lot of doors.
Yea that does sound pretty convenient. For my use case, I only use Windows 10 for some legacy software and otherwise all my work files are in cloud storage and I generally edit them on the Mac. That said, there's been a few times where I didn't have my Mac and needed to use my Windows 10 VM. I'll keep on the lookout for a price decrease
 
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