My 2 cents. I am an average user (Office, Citrix, YouTube, music, photos etc) and the fan has not even come on yet in 4 months of use. This thing is super quiet under normal use (and really fast). My config: i7/16/512.
The fan in nTB model is a different model from all other Macs from now. iFix It folks even call it a "cheap fan".
It is definitely loud and noisy even on low RPMs.
I have a 2016 nTB (i5/16/512) and it is definitely NOT loud and noisy, even at low RPMs. The fan is at 0RPM with a low load and goes up to about 1200RPM when at a higher load, but even 1200RPM is inaudible. My machine rarely goes above 1200RPM.
I'm just curious where iFixit said this? I've read all of their teardowns of the nTB models and unless I missed something they never said it was a cheap fan.
I have a 2016 nTB (i5/16/512) and it is definitely NOT loud and noisy, even at low RPMs. The fan is at 0RPM with a low load and goes up to about 1200RPM when at a higher load, but even 1200RPM is inaudible. My machine rarely goes above 1200RPM.
As for the 2017 nTB, I don't know as I've never used this machine.
Like OP ones, but try to connect an external 4K monitor and you hear it screaming.... OP MBP reaches 6k RPMs.
Take a look at this:
Our test therefore starts with the ambient noise of 30.5 dB(A). The MacBook is basically silent for the first couple of minutes and reached up to 3300 rpm and 31.2 dB(A). After that, we noticed a linear increase to 40.4 dB(A) at 5870 rpm. We also selected the maximum fan speed at 7200 rpm manually via istat and measured up to 45.4 dB(A)https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple...without-Touch-Bar-Laptop-Review.182374.0.html
40dB at 5.8k RPM. Does it sounds fine for you?
What do you do that your machine rarely goes above 1200 RPM? Simply using FaceTime or Streaming Twitch will get my fan in the audible range.
I've fixed computers before, and your in over your head my friend.
Me, I have 25 years in technology - from operating system coding (BSD which made its way into MacOS) to managing massive fleets of computers, I am an Amazon #1 Bestseller Author and regular speaker at technology conferences, I have a degree in physics and a masters in advanced computing, I run classes teaching kids about hardware and undergrads about software. I ran two major tech communities in London with a combined membership of about 7,000. My first job was designing and looking after robots and their controllers sent into civil nuclear reactors. I was coding at the age of 7. My last job was modernising technology security in a major organisation employing 200,000 employees.
Like OP ones, but try to connect an external 4K monitor and you hear it screaming.... OP MBP reaches 6k RPMs.
Take a look at this:
Wow, if he actually did all of this and still doesn't know how to use a computer I honestly can't help him. He's using a macrumors website to try to find information he clearly had this info the whole entire time. I mean seriously, why would he make stuff up.
OP has already been proven wrong by buying a 15" quad core computer and realizing his last computer did not have enough power. It's been said many times but some posters just do not understand unfortunately.
Interesting - Apple seems to acknowledge the 2016/7 MBP keyboard disaster. They've patented a method for preventing a speck of dust from destroying them:
https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/9/17100594/apple-patent-dirt-debris-liquid-snacks
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Congratulations OPUpdate 46 - The Law Won
Apple lost the case. The law found
- Extremely poor customer service.
- Evidence of Apple staff lying or being incompetent.
- Acknowledgement of mounting evidence (in other places and cases) of a fundamental design fault with the 2016/2017 MBPs. A known wider issues can help individual cases.
- Validation of my evidence.
- Inadequacy of Apple testing - deliberate or incompetence.
- Customer (me) going above and beyond to work with Apple to resolve issue, at sihnigisign cost to myself.
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Update 46 - The Law Won
Apple lost the case. The law found
- Extremely poor customer service.
- Evidence of Apple staff lying or being incompetent.
- Acknowledgement of mounting evidence (in other places and cases) of a fundamental design fault with the 2016/2017 MBPs. A known wider issues can help individual cases.
- Validation of my evidence.
- Inadequacy of Apple testing - deliberate or incompetence.
- Customer (me) going above and beyond to work with Apple to resolve issue, at I significant cost to myself.
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Update 46 - The Law Won
Apple lost the case. The law found
- Extremely poor customer service.
- Evidence of Apple staff lying or being incompetent.
- Acknowledgement of mounting evidence (in other places and cases) of a fundamental design fault with the 2016/2017 MBPs. A known wider issues can help individual cases.
- Validation of my evidence.
- Inadequacy of Apple testing - deliberate or incompetence.
- Customer (me) going above and beyond to work with Apple to resolve issue, at I significant cost to myself.
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LOL, can't wait to see what all those people who told you to just quit have to say
I’m also curious if this was a settlement or a judgement. It’s worded like it’s an offer of a settlement, in which case “the law” didn’t find anything. More that Apple’s legal team didn’t think it would be worth the cost to fight.Congratulations OP, good to see that you got this resolved. You definitely have more persistence than I would have had.
One question: was this decision found by a judge, or was a settlement reached? I'm curious as the excerpt above doesn't show all the details as to whether this was a settlement offered or a legal judgement (it seems like a settlement by the wording).
I would imagine if a legal judgement against Apple was reached it would have more far-reaching implications than a settlement.