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While I agree, it does not change the fact that Android has 85% of the market. Yes many or most of those are cheap Android phones that don't compare to any iPhone, but 85% of the market is NOT choosing iPhone for whatever reason.
Not "for whatever reason". Because some Android phones are cheap, and many people don't have much money, or want to spend their money on something else than a phone. Don't look at the number of phones sold, look at the revenue.
 
SE will still sell well due to lack of alternative in the 5“ category. It’s like a car manufacturer selling Limos, Trucks and SUVs but refusing to sell sports cars and convertibles, cause „nobody wants them“...:confused:
 
Even if the starting prices appear to be little less pricey, the higher storage ones will shoot through the roof in price.

Typical iPhone lovers go after the higher storage options!

So true, but if the rumors are correct, this will be the first year I don't opt for the highest storage model. I am finding with my iPhone X that 256GB is definitely enough for my needs. Thus I won't be after the 512GB version of the new models. Bring them on!
 
IPhone 8 outsold the iPhone X in one market in one quarter. Not overall.
When do you stop counting "overall", 1 quarter?, two quarter's, a year? etc. Or just do you use the most modern (recent?) metrics or say because "X" sold this amount at this point in time we can do no better?
 
let's not talk rubbish about 3 i

When do you stop counting "overall", 1 quarter?, two quarter's, a year? etc. Or just do you use the most modern (recent?) metrics or say because "X" sold this amount at this point in time we can do no better?

I used overall because the iPhone was outed by cook as the most popular iPhone every quarter since its launch.

Which iPhone do you have?
 
I used overall because the iPhone was outed by cook as the most popular iPhone every quarter since its launch.

Which iPhone do you have?
Im honest a 7; was that a loaded question to see if i don't know about iPhones?
 
My wallet is ready, but I'm actually still receiving a monthly credit for my iPhone 6 against my monthly charge for my iPhone 7+ until November. So I'll likely wait until I have received all of my credits.

Also two family plan members using iPhone SE's are ready and waiting for an iPhone X like update to the SE line.
 
I'll be making the switch to IOS next year when 5g is out. No point upgrading til then. Besides my S9+ is truly awesome atm.
 
Sigh, another price complaint? Apple earns the lions share of mobile phone profits because they charge a lot for their phones and happen to find many consumers who will pay for them. Clearly the phones are NOT overpriced, though coming out with slightly less expensive models – with proportionately less BOM but similar profit margin – is prudent to capture a larger audience. This may be one reason the so called SE2 has been delayed for so long... release that only when a super cycle is on the down to generate a longer tail of profit.
I will disagree with your post. :cool: The rumored specs for the 6.1 are overpriced and not a solid value.

Think what you will, but if the specs from Kuo’s rumor thread are true for the 6.1, imo it is too expensive for what you may get. At least the SE was priced accordingly.
 
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While I agree, it does not change the fact that Android has 85% of the market. Yes many or most of those are cheap Android phones that don't compare to any iPhone, but 85% of the market is NOT choosing iPhone for whatever reason.

Apple makes "brave moves" (sarcasm) like removing the headphone jack or giving you face ID and removing finger id, raising the ASP year after year, or not using USB-C and so far has not lost a lot of users. I feel like they are one brave move away from shattering user confidence and that could be very bad for Apple who gets a huge majority of revenue from the iPhone.

Honestly I feel like they have done that with the Macbooks already. Mac sales down 13% last quarter certainly is not good. The Throttlebook is not going to help sales.

"Whatever" reason is COST, so the handwave is idiotic.
Markets are segmented, people with a low income in India, China, Indonesia, Brazil won't buy an Iphone or indeed any Apple product ever. Their other desires are irrelevant; pricing is the only factor. They constitute a huge part of this 85%.

In the US, where many people do have the means to buy Iphones, Apple is on par with Android. And even in the US, the highest demos buy more Apple products; that's a fact.

So, yes the Iphone should be compared it to its own market segment, like it's usually done in marketing and not in clickbait articles on "market share". Then, you see Apple is gaining and pushing out everyone else that directly competes with it, resulting in consolidating its profit share. That's also seen in many electronics segments, headphones, smart watch, tablets, laptops and even PC's. They dominate profits everywhere.
 
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I will disagree with your post. :cool: The rumored specs for the 6.1 are overpriced and not a solid value.

Think what you will, but if the specs from Kuo’s rumor thread are true for the 6.1, imo it is too expensive for what you may get. At least the SE was priced accordingly.
This^^^^^, those specs are embarrassing for that price point. In AndroidLand that would be a $200-250 phone, if that.
 
There's nothing wrong with the notch. At all. That section of the screen is used for pull down notifications on the left of the notch and control center on the right. The notch also displays wifi, time, etc.. things that screen real estate was previously using. The notch has function. People that hate on it have probably never used the X for more then a week to realize it has function.
Are you really sure this is not a sacrifice because they pursue form over function? To realise everything you tell, people just need to come to a store or borrow someone’s X and use it for a few hours, and they will know it. I get it, the tech is not there yet, but the ultimate goal is to remove the notch altogether. This is a compromise because camera and other sensors cannot be put underneath the screen.
 
"Whatever" reason is COST, so the handwave is idiotic.
Compare it to its own segment, like it's usually done in marketing and not in clickbait articles on "market share" and you see Apple is gaining and pushing out everyone else, resulting in consolidating its profit share. That's also seen in many electronics segments, headphones, smart watch, tablets, laptops and even PC's. They dominate profits everywhere.
Apple dominates profits because the products cost to make vs what they sell for is high. Not because they dominate share. Macs only have 10% share or so but still make mass profit.
 
Apple plays leapfrog with their releases. One year it's higher unit sales, the next is higher average selling price. Last time with the introduction of the X they increased average sale price (X is ~30% more which lead to a 16% revenue growth when combined with 256GB storage option for 8 and 8 Plus), and this time they will increase unit sales by making that phone cheaper and introducing a higher priced model (the rumored X Plus or whatever they'll call it).

The problem I see is that they've about reached the limit of this game. Maybe 10% of people would pay over $1,000 for a phone. They rest might pay $800 for an X type model, but over $700 is gonna be a hard sell for average users. They'll need to ship more units at about $100 more than last years average to increase revenue again.
 
I said almost a year geeze. I love the gestures. I’ve had almost all iPhones and I don’t think the notch is a good idea. I put up with it because I love the rest of the phone and understand it’s what we have to deal with in transitions to real full screen phones. Stop reading so deep into things. Stop praising Apple so much. If they could of released a full screen phone you bet your ass they will.
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You don’t understand hardware design. It’s the same shape as the 6’s. The notch has nothing to do with the shape of the phone. iPhone 4 and 5 is a different shape then the 6 and on. The x is the same shape as the 6.

blah blah blah, you love hearing yourself say crap don't you.
 
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Are you really sure this is not a sacrifice because they pursue form over function? To realise everything you tell, people just need to come to a store or borrow someone’s X and use it for a few hours, and they will know it. I get it, the tech is not there yet, but the ultimate goal is to remove the notch altogether. This is a compromise because camera and other sensors cannot be put underneath the screen.
Galaxy S10s have a embedded fingerprint sensor under the screen, in next years galaxies, rumor has it, the front cameras will be embedded under the screen as well.
 
Apple dominates profits because the products cost to make vs what they sell for is high. Not because they dominate share. Macs only have 10% share or so but still make mass profit.

They dominate profits because they're able to charge this price in their segment.
You think you can charge any price you want and people will just buy it. Guess you think people buying Apple products are "sheeps" huh. These days most high end phones close to the same price btw.
Market Share is usually BY SEGMENT, not the overall market.

BMV having 10% of the overall market is irrelevant to them and anyone looking at that market.
Do you really think BMW gives a crap if TATA is selling more under 10K car than them: no they don't.
They'll notice if TATA get 10% of the over 40K car market and that may be a much smaller number than the number needed to sell as much cars than them overall (in all segments).

If someone has 80% of the craft beer segment, wtf should they care if they only control 5% of the beer market and what kind of useless information would that be? That's the same argument people keep making here.


Go find a damn marketing manual!
 
How do you know that? You don’t. Tim said the X is the best selling phone in their lineup and asp and revenue records both point to that.

If we don’t have unit sales from Apple, we can infer from numbers.

For your argument to be true, you’d have to infer Tim is lying and the gigantic ASP growth and iPhone revenue growth is being driven by the iPhone 8 Plus 256GB. Makes no sense.

Apple told us it’s the best selling phone and you still say it’s not. The 8 came out 6 weeks before iPhone X...you’re saying that means it plateaued? Who cares? iPhone X outsold everyone iPhone since it’s been out, period. What is so hard to understand about this fact?

Are you saying total units maybe higher for 8 and 8 plus combined? What is really your argument here?

When I said 8, yes I meant both the 8 and 8 Plus.

My original argument: "It's known that the 8 outsells the X in total units". When I interpret best selling, I interpret it in units, not ASP/revenue. What does best selling mean to you? Highest revenue or most units sold? Like you said, you can infer from sales numbers. This is what makes Tim Cook's statement very ambiguous, and you don't even realize it.

If you look at Statista, there are graphs correlating on unit sales for iPhone 8/8+ vs X, and they support that the iPhone X is the highest revenue driving model as of the last few quarters, but the 8/8+ have sold more units.
 
I will disagree with your post. :cool: The rumored specs for the 6.1 are overpriced and not a solid value.

Think what you will, but if the specs from Kuo’s rumor thread are true for the 6.1, imo it is too expensive for what you may get. At least the SE was priced accordingly.

Depends on the reference. Compared to the smart phone universe yes, it is overpriced. Compared to the iPhone 8 it is a solid upgrade. But again, iPhone 8 is a massively overpriced.
 
Galaxy S10s have a embedded fingerprint sensor under the screen, in next years galaxies, rumor has it, the front cameras will be embedded under the screen as well.

Yes, and unicorns will take the role of Bixby too and actually be useful. Something else?
Samsung also has a borderline dangerous / useless Iris reader; Samsung loves throwing dung at walls and putting things that don't work so well in their phone.
 
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Galaxy S10s have a embedded fingerprint sensor under the screen, in next years galaxies, rumor has it, the front cameras will be embedded under the screen as well.
If this machine is debut, people may question why apple cannot do that. Time will tell.
 
When I said 8, yes I meant both the 8 and 8 Plus.

My original argument: "It's known that the 8 outsells the X in total units". When I interpret best selling, I interpret it in units, not ASP/revenue. What does best selling mean to you? Highest revenue or most units sold? Like you said, you can infer from sales numbers. This is what makes Tim Cook's statement very ambiguous, and you don't even realize it.

If you look at Statista, there are graphs correlating on unit sales for iPhone 8/8+ vs X, and they support that the iPhone X is the highest revenue driving model as of the last few quarters, but the 8/8+ have sold more units.

It's not ambiguous at all, only in your own mind.
 
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